Boeing's Millennium Falcon Floats Using Nazi Technology

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D


The rules of ATS are that the exact title must be copied for a breaking news article.
I was not taking jabs at your country, if you understand that the news is from Boeing,
and Wired . Thanks.

Originally posted by earthdude
This craft looks like the UFO platform seen in China several months ago.

Now thats not a surprise or a breaking news

They're known to do just that.

Copy Paste (atleast for the most part).

Originally posted by earthdude
This craft looks like the UFO platform seen in China several months ago.

Duplicate Post

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by byeluvolk

 

I enjoyed your addition of the luft'46 images and understood your contribution in the spirit intended as explained in your last post.

My intent was aimed towards making the point crystal clear for the inevitable casual reader with little interest in historical aviation who takes a quick glance and, failing understand the context of Luft'46, takes a leap in connecting non existent dots and goes on to believe and perpetuate a historical fallacy.

I have come to believe a sizable percentage of the "facts" supporting vintage UFO cases have their roots in similar beginnings and just wanted to save the innocent from possibly unknowingly contributing.

My apologies if the wording of my post led you to believe I was being critical of the information you posted in any way, that was no part of my intention.

I ostensibly thank you, kind sir, for saving me the hassle of having to go down dark twisting roads once again. I've been known to do that here and there. I am forever in your debt.

Gosh, and to think I thought this had to do with top secret nazi UFOs! I feel so ashamed.

PS: there're many doctors that can unclog you and free you from constipation; don't despair

how very cool. aside from the military possibilities, i'm thinking smaller civilian airports worldwide. passenger pulse jet craft for the 600 nautical mile variety jaunt. major international airports keep their outdated runways for the longer oceanic flights. but smaller more efficient mini airports crop up everywhere for refueling purposes for the more efficient and quieter peta passenger jets. bet they won't charge for extra baggage.

I wonder if this thread might be better off in the Aircraft Projects section. That's where most of us aircraft nerds hang out :-)

reply to post by hp1229



More on the VTOL here: From late 2009, so looks as if they have perhaps perfected the technology,
and are able to produce it economically for mass production.

The first aircraft in history to combine stealth with short takeoff/vertical landing (STOVL) capability and supersonic speed has been delivered to the Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., where it will conduct its first hovers and vertical landings. The Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II STOVL stealth fighter will replace U.S. Marine Corps AV-8B STOVL fighters, F/A-18 strike fighters and EA-6B electronic attack aircraft, and will also be used by the United Kingdom’s Royal Air Force and Royal Navy and the Italian Air Force and Navy.

There are three different models of the F-35. The F-35A is the conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) variant is the smallest and lightest F-35 version and is the only variant equipped with an internal cannon, the GAU-22/A. It is intended for the US Air Force (USAF) and other air forces, but is primarily intended to replace the USAF’s F-16 Fighting Falcon, beginning in 2013, and to replace the A-10 Thunderbolt II starting in 2028 www.gizmag.com...

reply to post by PW229


Thanks for your comments, I thought this would be something that all of ATS would enjoy,
hence the breaking news...its actually a perfect fit.

Have you seen this video?


F35 hovering

So my question: why did it take them so long?

The idea hails from the early 20th century in russia. That's over a century of time to figure it out.

Is it computational in nature; fly by fire? Why didn't they do this 30 years ago? 40?

How much does it actually help? You'd think from watching the video that this can do everything except put your dishes away. So I suspect there's a lot of hype, somehow. Where am I wrong?

Someone mentioned RAM jet. How long has RAM jet been around?

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by PW229

 

Thanks for your comments, I thought this would be something that all of ATS would enjoy,
hence the breaking news...its actually a perfect fit.

Of course, a good point.

Not only seen videos of the F-35, seen the real thing during engine testing :-)

reply to post by PW229


Ah, you lucky man. Well some of us only get the second hand
experience.

I will have to venture over into the aircraft forum sometime, it sounds like you guys
have more fun.

I think it is funny how the military industrial complex likes to use techno music to sell things. It makes the product seem futuristic. No way would they use banjo music. The funny thing is, the buyers like banjo music.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Oh, and one more thing...yes I do believe in fairytales, and bedtime ones are nice too.





Part 1 and 2 of Michael Schratt interviews. You have most likely arlready viewed, but wanted
to share them with the rest of ATS here on this thread.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by PW229

 

Ah, you lucky man. Well some of us only get the second hand
experience.

I will have to venture over into the aircraft forum sometime, it sounds like you guys
have more fun.

The problem with the F-35B variant is the sheer number of moving parts needed to get it into STOVL configuration not to mention its most glaring shortfall, one engine (the lift fan, as I am sure you are aware is not an engine, it is coupled to the main engine via a shaft and gearbox/clutch unit).

Interestingly where this fits in with your original post concerning P.E.T.A. engines is from looking at the pulse jets I would imagine their size is critical to their function. I can't see a way to get the desired shock-waves in a much smaller package. Hence it would be unlikely we will see this technology utilised in compact airframes.

reply to post by PW229


You bring up a very pertinent point about the smaller aircraft. I came across this and had to wonder
about the money that NASA threw at it . Not exactly pocket change.

Blue Origin (blueorigin.com): Founded by Jeff Bezos of Amazon.com, the company has built a prototype spacecraft named Goddard, a rounded cone shape with four stubby legs. It took off vertically, rose 285 feet and descended successfully in a 2006 test. The company declines to grant interviews but says on its website that "Our first objective is developing New Shepard, a vertical take-off, vertical-landing vehicle designed to take a small number of astronauts on a sub-orbital journey into space."

It was awarded a $22-million NASA contract this year and has a Washington state manufacturing site and a Texas launch complex. www.tampabay.com...

What I find really interesting is the shape of it, the cone shape with 4 stubby legs. What an original idea.

Finally someone posted a pic. Look at this thing! ?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ec243a488e71.jpg[/atsimg]

A pulsejet sure sounds like it belongs on a spaceship or something, but it's actually one of the most primitive (or at least simplest) types of jet engines there is. The Nazis used pulsejets on their first generation of cruise missile, the V-1, and now Boeing is toying with the idea of getting them to power a VTOL aircraft.

WWII was a long time ago, and the Nazis did kind of lose, but there is one remaining vintage V-1 Argus pulse jet engine that still works, at the Planes of Fame museum in Chino, CA. Here it is being fired up on video; make sure and turn your subwoofer waaaaay up for this one:

dvice.com...

reply to post by burntheships


Your lips are awesome.
This article is cool too... technology is always cool.
but your lips are awesome.

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

 

Oh, and one more thing...yes I do believe in fairytales, and betime ones are nice too.

Thank you for having a sense of humor and taking my jab as it was intended, a light hearted jest among friends.

Without hijacking your thread with National Socialist aeronautical technology, I would like to quickly explain the basis for my strong position on the Nazi saucer business.

I have a lifelong interest in aviation history as well as some formal education in aeronautical engineering and a fair amount of experience with hands on flight. Any interest in historical aviation inevitably touches on the UFO enigma which is what originally brought me here.

A couple of years back I realized that I had amassed a skill set and knowledgebase uniquely valuable to the contemporary historical UFO record and resolved to make an legitimate effort to try and contribute to the field. The Nazi saucer tales were enjoying a resurgence so it was a logical choice to start with.

I began with the view that while I doubted the veracity of the Fourth Reich Antarctic saucer base tales, there was such a great weight of seemingly legitimate information I was honestly hopeful of finding a few grains of truth and maybe be the first to connect some of the truths with some of the more fantastic accounts.

What an utter and totally disappointing endeavor. I spent a lot of free time over a few weeks collecting and cataloging everything I could find on the subject. As it came together one overwhelming truth became clear. It is all fabricated post WWII, the few bits that weren't have been co-opted and grossly misrepresented by unscrupulous authors peddling science fiction as fact in the hope of cashing in on their own piece of the UFO cash cow .

Sooner or later I should make an effort to finish, Bundle everything together in a PDF and host it somewhere where others can get something out of it as well. Until then, I can say with absolute conviction that there is a surprisingly simple to follow trail that quickly reveals every sordid facet as bunk from the inception of the first magazine stories of the 50's through the various evolutionary embellishments added by specific authors to keep some value to the retelling through the latest fantastic offerings from Bill Byrnes and company on the history channel.

Take it for what you will however anyone honestly looking for the truth to the UFO story should know the entire Nazi UFO story is a clear fraud.

Thank you for hearing me out and allowing a bit of leeway in staying on topic.

On a positive note, here is a wonderful little gem on the subject, sure to please both hardened skeptic and die hard believer alike!

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Thanks for the video, and your well thought out classy post.
As I mentioned before, the pic in my OP was originally posted here on ATS by
a top member, Mike Singh. I wonder if his thread was ever "debunked"?

Thats a very intereresting personal story, and thanks for sharing it with us.

I suspect many of us will continue on our quest in finding secrets,
and I hope you find time to put your stuff together...I am sure we would all love to see it.

Thanks again,
bts~

"this video has been removed by the user"