Let's call Obamas' bluff.

Originally posted by pplrnuts

Originally posted by beezzer


Let's show that we are charitable, giving people and that we can take care of our own without the government helping.

You cant possibly be talking about the 'wealthy' Americans being charitable!!!

They dont even want to pay a dime in taxes so how they gonna be charitable? Since they are the ONLY AMericans with money at the current time, I assume thats whom you mean would be charitable.

The wealthy are so cheap and greedy that most of them would kill their own family members if a genie popped out of a bottle and offered them 1/10 of a percent more quarterly profit!!!

Charitable, thats a laugh!!

edit on 23-7-2011 by pplrnuts because: (no reason given)

Sometimes you hit the nail on the head! I totally agree.

Agreed. The government is financially trying to blackmail people using fear. We should tell them, OUR representatives, take your fearmongering and shove where the sun don't shine. Grow a backbone America, and take responsibility for you and your own. Let's show them what community and family values really are.

reply to post by sonofliberty1776


I absolutely agree! I have and will help those around me from time to time. Giving what I may have to someone who is in need and clearly deserves some help is a noble trait in my humble opinion. I am by no means wealthy in the fiscal sense, however I feel I am wealthy with time and intelligence which are commodities unto themselves. I am only too glad to provide what I can to those who truly need. I basically live by the golden rule, do unto others.. It doesn't always work out evenly but I know I tried.
Besides our government has grown too large, and it has overstepped its bounds all over. It truly does come down to the individual if one is brave enough to be an individual and not buy into all the crap of our culture and supposed ideals we glean from the media. Treat one another as you want to be treated. Its so damn simple really but difficult to cultivate in any large form. It does exist though, if we want to be honest with ourselves. I believe this is what the OP was trying to convey in my convoluted form.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by pplrnuts

 

that is hilarious people overpaid into social security the fact is everyone underpays into a so called system that sends them a monthly check for the rest of their lives.

a few bucks a month for 20 or 30 years does not amount to 1000 bucks if your lucky for the rest of your life and 2000 if your really lucky.

like my aunt who has never worked a day in her life and draws it.

give it up

WOW, you didnt even botter to learn how much the FICA tax is, let alone take 2 minutes to calculate it out.

The FICA tax is 12.4% (This has nothing to do with your federal income tax, there are no returns, credits, refunds etc).Everybody pays it up to $106,800 in gross income.

If you are on a payroll, you pay 6.2% and your employer pays 6.2%. If you are self-employed, a business owner etc, you pay the whole 12.4%

Lets say one earns $35,000 a year for 40 years, they would have contributed $4340 per year into SS. I am counting the employers portion also because we all know if employers did not have to pay that 6.2% tax they would pay their employees more.....that is the Conservative line isn't it?

That means a lifetime contribution of $173,600. The government "borrowed" this money with interest. I will assume a conservative rate of 3%. Compounded yearly that would make $337,058.

That is the "measly" contribution from somebody basically living near the poverty line in today's economy, not even really enough to raise a family.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


But remember,

He's clean and well spoken!

My taxes should be going to pay for my neighbor in need not to bomb women and children on the other side of the world. Ridiculous post. I pay taxes plus ss that is being stolen from me as I type (I'm 32 and surely won't see a dime of it when I reach retirement age). SS is not a handout. The elderly paid for it their whole fragging lives and it has been stolen from them and us currently. You want us to directly help our neighbor in need? Well then abolish income, sales and ss taxes! Either this is a joke post or a billionaire-defending shillfest!

Tax the corporations and billionaires! 1950s rate so we can go back to a time when people could afford a decent life. God I hate paid HB Gary personas. They've ruined ats IMO.

reply to post by beezzer


How could you tell poor and elderly people not to cash their checks they depend on....smart move

reply to post by beezzer


The problem is, the elderly do need help, but most Americans won't help them. I'll admit I unfortunately would rather not.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by beezzer

 

The problem is, the elderly do need help, but most Americans won't help them. I'll admit I unfortunately would rather not.

I think you're right that many (maybe most) people would not help their neighbors. Many don't even know their neighbors.

I experienced a minor example of this yesterday. I was at a do-it-yourself car wash, you know, the kind where you use quarters to buy time for the washing system to turn on and operate. Well, I was 2/3 finished and the thing turned off. To get it started again required purchasing four full minutes. I was one quarter short but had several dimes and nickels. The machine will only accept quarters. So I asked several young people in the adjacent car bay if they would exchange a quarter for two dimes and a nickel so I could finish my wash, wax, and rinse. No one would do it. Thankfully, after about ten minutes of looking in every nook and cranny in the car I managed to find one loose quarter wedged between a car seat and the carpet. Granted, I could have walked or driven a few blocks and found an ATM machine and got more cash. But I was amazed at that experience. If someone had asked that of me I would have just given them the quarter. Those who refused my request were all of a certain ethnicity and were all much younger. I don't know whether that made a difference.

reply to post by dubiousone


There's a generation of children being raised in apathy. While I admit I would be restraint to help at first, I would have given you a quarter.

Lets in protest about not getting our benefit checks...not cash our benefit checks. That'll show em. (good luck with that dream, genius)

How about all us taxpayers stop paying for your benefit checks and see how that works out? We are all duty bound to support the impoverished apparently.

I fully support your wee crusade to make everyone not cash their benefit checks. It would save this country trillions in one day.

Originally posted by angus1745

Lets in protest about not getting our benefit checks...not cash our benefit checks. That'll show em. (good luck with that dream, genius)

How about all us taxpayers stop paying for your benefit checks and see how that works out? We are all duty bound to support the impoverished apparently.

I fully support your wee crusade to make everyone not cash their benefit checks. It would save this country trillions in one day.

The federal government required employers to deduct money from people's paychecks and send it to the federal government on the promise that when the workers reach retirement age they will receive a guaranteed monthly income for life. Regardless of all the other money issues plagueing the government, the funds taken from workers' pay checks should have been earning interest during the entire time it was held in trust by the federal government and there should be more than enough there for the payout. Why hasn't the money that Congress "borrowed" (embezzled) from the social security trust fund been restored?

I suppose this is getting off topic and likely should be the subject of a different thread.

How much would the social security trust fund be worth today if Congress had not raided it?

By the way, does anyone know what Congress did with those funds?

If people had No Money, they would indeed have less issue
helping the elderly, their neighbors and children than they
presently do. Money if it were suddenly rendered useless
would create a heart in people that has been missing for
a few decades now.

And .. people would find in them talents they did not know
existed. This is why the almighty dollar exists today. This
is what has kept societies separated for so long, creating
division amongst the people.

Sharing our money with one another??

Sounds like SOCIALISM to me, what are you, some kind of communist?

Because when the idea was to share money to take care of each other's medical problems, that's all anyone was able to shout about

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by pplrnuts
You cant possibly be talking about the 'wealthy' Americans being charitable!!!

What?!?! Someone must have missed the memo.

Buffett to Give Bulk of His Fortune to Gates Charity

Warren E. Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. and one of the world's wealthiest men, plans to donate the bulk of his $44 billion fortune to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and four other philanthropies starting in July.

US billionaires pledge 50% of their wealth to charity

Thirty-eight US billionaires have pledged at least 50% of their wealth to charity through a campaign started by investor Warren Buffett and Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

Sarcastically: Nope. None of the wealthy give to charity. You must be right.

edit on 7/24/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Here's the problem with donating to Bill Gates:

1. Bill Gates only supports third world countries, NONE of his efforts help Americans.

2. Bill Gates LEADS an agenda in world depopulation via murder via child innoculation.

Bill Gates =

Originally posted by Heyyo_yoyo

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by pplrnuts
You cant possibly be talking about the 'wealthy' Americans being charitable!!!

What?!?! Someone must have missed the memo.

Buffett to Give Bulk of His Fortune to Gates Charity

Warren E. Buffett, the chairman of Berkshire Hathaway Inc. and one of the world's wealthiest men, plans to donate the bulk of his $44 billion fortune to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and four other philanthropies starting in July.

US billionaires pledge 50% of their wealth to charity

Thirty-eight US billionaires have pledged at least 50% of their wealth to charity through a campaign started by investor Warren Buffett and Microsoft founder Bill Gates.

Sarcastically: Nope. None of the wealthy give to charity. You must be right.

edit on 7/24/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Here's the problem with donating to Bill Gates:

1. Bill Gates only supports third world countries, NONE of his efforts help Americans.

2. Bill Gates LEADS an agenda in world depopulation via murder via child innoculation.

Bill Gates =

Id give you 5 stars but i only have one account so here
you go*****

I never post in the Political Madness forum, because I hate arguing. So please, when reading this, don't interpret it as an attack or an attempt to argue or be hostile. I say this with utmost respect for everyone's opinion and their right to hold it. I'm not trying to disabuse anyone of their political beliefs.

But I feel compelled to ask this.

How is taking social security out of people's paychecks and then not paying them their social security entitlements when they retire any different than simply raising taxes? They aren't going to suddenly stop subtracting social security tax from people's paychecks. The only difference now, if an agreement isn't reached, will be that instead of that money coming back to people when they retire, it will be used for other purposes just like other tax revenues.

People don't want the government to raise taxes. Okay. I get that. I do. But I don't understand how those same people can be in favor of people not receiving their social security. Isn't that tantamount to the government just taking people's money and using it for whatever purpose they deign to anyway?

My father was a master sergeant in the green berets. He's retired and raising a teenage son now (my half brother, who I love very much.) He relies on social security and his VA checks entirely. Are people really going to say that he will just somehow magically survive on charity if he stops receiving those checks? Or, even if he could somehow survive on charity, that that would be a good quality of life for my brother?

Again, these are only questions. I respect everyone's opinions.

Just my two cents. Peace.

You right-wing Libertarians have half a brain when it comes to these matters...

First of all... the existence of social safety nets IN NO WAY PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM GIVING HELP/CHARITY.

Second of all... most people don't have the money to provide much charity to others, unless they really need it.

Third of all... people ALREADY help each other quite a bit when/how they can.

Fourth of all... why don't we CUT THE DAMN MILITARY BUDGET instead of cutting crucial social services? Seriously... stop yourself, shut up, and consider this; you should realize that it's the most logical and primary option we should take.

Fifth of all... to rail against the so-called "nanny-state" while COMPLETELY DISREGARDING the injustice, inequality, unfairness, corruption, greed, forced-competition, and theft INHERENT in the market, Capitalism, property, and the monetary system... is absolutely JUVENILE in regards to intellectual/philosophical advancement. You have gone half-way down the path of truth in the wrong direction.



So long as taxes exist, it is obvious that they should be used Democratically to provide assistance/opportunity to those who lack it most. This is a total no-brainer. The market does not provide boundless opportunity, freedom, or equality to all... it is a game and those that win it get to rig it. THINK CRITICALLY, PEOPLE.

Hi mates,

I wouldnt mind helping all I could. The thing is my wife is out of job, my brother is out of job so is currently living here with me in my house.

I dont have any money over actually I dont have enough money to get the car taxes paied in time as well as the rent has been going like hell for a surgent period of time.

There isnt any money to help with from my household.

Thanks,