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posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Hi all

Now "only" 68 is death.

Thanks,




posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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'a good war' WW2 was fabricated mate, sorry to ruin your fantasies of 'real good war'



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by Reaper2137

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Originally posted by Reaper2137

Originally posted by SecretKnowledge

Originally posted by Reaper2137
Face palm this whole thread... although it did give me a good chuckle ... other than that a waste of space.. you have no concept of how a real war works.. this planet hasn't seen a good war since world war two. this that is going on in norway is just terrorism if it can be called that, its sad but it was not done by any one that wasn't a citizen of that country, he wasn't from Libya or any other third world countries.


there is no such thing as a good war


Of course there are, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Its good for population control for starters, we really need some help there war is a good way to thin out the herd.


If you want to thin out the herd then start by killing yourself. I'm not surprised though i am disapointed that so many of you people in the military are human animals intent on murdering. at least the animals in the wild that kill do so to feed and usually don't kill their own species. If you believe wars are to reduce populations then you are even more misguided! Wars are about resources, expansion of empire and profits, with you being a military man I would think you would know that. Why don't you leave the discussion to the intellectuals and we will leave the murdering to people like yourself!


Ah, I would much rather kill people such as your self You do nothing and bring nothing to the table except talk.

A lot of animals kill for the sake of killing and will even kill their own kind. I don't expect you to know this because it would require you to look past your own nose and do some research.

I never said it was the only purpose of war just a facet of it. Than again a intellectual such as your self should know how to have some comprehension of what your reading but I don't think so. When I do find some intellectuals I will defer to them but until than I'm left with only mediocre people such as your self.

We are animals you can be a man and except that because its true or you can hide behind your so called "intellectual" facade either way I could care less.


You don't care who you kill as long as it's someone! I bet after you go out and take down some towel heads, you head back to the latrine and pleasure yourself. As for looking past my own nose, that definately gave me a chuckle. If that is'nt calling the kettle black. As for all your hate propaganda you spout off you should save that for someone you care for, like your family. as for thinking of yourself as an animal, does this really help you to sleep good at night? does it help the guilt of murdering, or do all the faces of those you killed still haunt your sleeping hours? One day the guilt will take it's toll on you and on that day all the tears will flow! but please don't think i hate you, as a matter of fact i pity you, one that has to carry a gun to feel superior to the rest of us because he don't possess the mental capacity, compassion, empathy or any of the traits that make us different from the rest of the mammalians! Well I tire of this discussion cause i realize that all this spatter will make you angry leading you to take your rage out on more innocent victims! So goodluck with your hateful life!



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Hilltaker
Hi all

Now "only" 68 is death.

Thanks,


FOX News is reporting 76. They also reported that Breivik has stated behind closed doors, that 2 more cells of his organization exist.
edit on 7/25/2011 by ontarff because: more info



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Originally posted by Reaper2137

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Originally posted by Reaper2137

Originally posted by SecretKnowledge

Originally posted by Reaper2137
Face palm this whole thread... although it did give me a good chuckle ... other than that a waste of space.. you have no concept of how a real war works.. this planet hasn't seen a good war since world war two. this that is going on in norway is just terrorism if it can be called that, its sad but it was not done by any one that wasn't a citizen of that country, he wasn't from Libya or any other third world countries.


there is no such thing as a good war


Of course there are, we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Its good for population control for starters, we really need some help there war is a good way to thin out the herd.


If you want to thin out the herd then start by killing yourself. I'm not surprised though i am disapointed that so many of you people in the military are human animals intent on murdering. at least the animals in the wild that kill do so to feed and usually don't kill their own species. If you believe wars are to reduce populations then you are even more misguided! Wars are about resources, expansion of empire and profits, with you being a military man I would think you would know that. Why don't you leave the discussion to the intellectuals and we will leave the murdering to people like yourself!


Ah, I would much rather kill people such as your self You do nothing and bring nothing to the table except talk.

A lot of animals kill for the sake of killing and will even kill their own kind. I don't expect you to know this because it would require you to look past your own nose and do some research.

I never said it was the only purpose of war just a facet of it. Than again a intellectual such as your self should know how to have some comprehension of what your reading but I don't think so. When I do find some intellectuals I will defer to them but until than I'm left with only mediocre people such as your self.

We are animals you can be a man and except that because its true or you can hide behind your so called "intellectual" facade either way I could care less.


You don't care who you kill as long as it's someone! I bet after you go out and take down some towel heads, you head back to the latrine and pleasure yourself. As for looking past my own nose, that definately gave me a chuckle. If that is'nt calling the kettle black. As for all your hate propaganda you spout off you should save that for someone you care for, like your family. as for thinking of yourself as an animal, does this really help you to sleep good at night? does it help the guilt of murdering, or do all the faces of those you killed still haunt your sleeping hours? One day the guilt will take it's toll on you and on that day all the tears will flow! but please don't think i hate you, as a matter of fact i pity you, one that has to carry a gun to feel superior to the rest of us because he don't possess the mental capacity, compassion, empathy or any of the traits that make us different from the rest of the mammalians! Well I tire of this discussion cause i realize that all this spatter will make you angry leading you to take your rage out on more innocent victims! So goodluck with your hateful life!


Towel heads? really that is a bit racist there. eh, never got off on killing any one mate but if that's what you think go for it. I sleep like A baby mate, I'm incapable of feeling "guilty" goes with the job. I don't murder I kill big difference. that's how you spell it mate difference. I always preferred knifes to guns more quite, less to clean up.

you tire of this discussion because you don't have the moral fiber to continue. In other words coward, so big and bad here on the internet but your one of those guys who would piss himself if he hit the field.

but That's ok leave the real jobs to the real men you can sit behind your computer looking down your nose with your preconceived notions about how the world works. guess what your still wrong, you will always be wrong. so sit tight and have some fun mate,



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack
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Although I agree with your concept, I don't fully agree with your logic..

Civilians on BOTH sides have no say in what is happening and yet it is always them that are targeted..

It would be better if they bombed Government or Military sites IMO and then they may be justified..


Going up against armed opponents is not what cowards usually do unless in an act of defence.

This coward is like the cowards who sit behind a desk and control an army.

And if this guy in Norway had attacked a government or military target, would he be alive to tell a story? I doubt it, which leads me to think this is all a sham.

Yeah, yeah, I'm a conspiracy theorist, but something once agian smells fishy.

For a start, when I first read reports of this event in the MSM I was very suspicious of the pictures of the assassin, I still am while more emerge. It just don't look right.

Reminds me of some of the really high quality 3D game characters. A 3D model with a high resolution texture map. I've used them myself in graphics. More info in the days to come will ease this niggle I have.......or not.

R.I.P. to those who are innocent, thoughts to their friends and families, and fingers crossed for proof this is what we are told it is. I also hope the repercussions from this are few.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by ontarff
They also reported that Breivik has stated behind closed doors, that 2 more cells of his organization exist.


"Behind closed doors" eh?

But Fox knows and just had to tell us about the fear we MUST be aware of....even if this information could be wrong.

An updated report from Fox is on the cards me thinks with something a little more like "sources are now unclear...."

Isn't it a shame in this day and age that the huge resources used for "reporting" news isn't put to better use preventing all the BAD news these trusted entities continue to feed to the masses?

Hmph!



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by Cassius666
The way I understand it, it was a norway born who did the bombing. What kind of war was he waging iyo?


War against whoever is not "White" and doesn't think like he does. That's the bottom end of right-wing intolerance.


Get a clue. There wasnt one non white victim. He shot up Norwegians and Germans. Also just like Africans we manage to be racist despite sharing the same skin color just fine thank you.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by Cassius666
The way I understand it, it was a norway born who did the bombing. What kind of war was he waging iyo?


War against whoever is not "White" and doesn't think like he does. That's the bottom end of right-wing intolerance.


Get a clue. There wasnt one non white victim. He shot up Norwegians and Germans. Also just like Africans we manage to be racist despite sharing the same skin color just fine thank you.


Yes you must think what I think or I will kill you ? ? - Actually this is the ideologi of little children and stupid adults.

Very true. But the thing is this case is very easy Anders B, thinks that the people in Norway are letting to much forigners in to the country.

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by Cassius666
The way I understand it, it was a norway born who did the bombing. What kind of war was he waging iyo?


War against whoever is not "White" and doesn't think like he does. That's the bottom end of right-wing intolerance.


Get a clue. There wasnt one non white victim. He shot up Norwegians and Germans. Also just like Africans we manage to be racist despite sharing the same skin color just fine thank you.


where is you sources that not a single non-white was killed? Please show it to me, as the names of the deceased hasn't been made known yet.
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posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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To OP:

It is BIG news because these kind of events are rare in northern Europe country. Do you see bomb attacks or killing spree's here everyday like in Afghanistan etc..? The press is somewhat numb about events in Iraq etc, because killing people there is a everyday fact.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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I don't remember if this has been posted?


Look how perfectly this turn out the attention from Greece during the most important moment when our European money now are being stolen to rescue private banks and the government of Greece.



posted on Jul, 25 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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What is missing from this whole argument is simple.

We do not have a full understanding about Norway's political and social issues. Without understanding how life functions in Norway, no outsider can make a clear assessment about this incident. All we are hearing about is, "Conservative extremist this...", "Norway socialism that...", etc... Even though we can speculate about the situation, through Anders' personal account, foreign societies cannot put this story into context. Not as of this point.

Socialism at an extreme causes negative consequences to occur. We know this through history. Yes, the deaths are very tragic and painful to hear. They should be. However, there could be something beneath Norway's political system that is screaming for a revolution. We just do not know.

We need more data.

(As you may have noticed, I am painfully trying to be unbiased.)
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posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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This is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. 90+ dead could you imagine how big this would be in America? If this were to happen in America the government would try to take our weapons.



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
 


What was so hateful what the OP has stated? is it because he made anti- NATO comments in his post? NATO ARE the New Nazis.


I have to assume you are no scholar of 20th century world history. Nazi is a label easily tossed about by people who have little clue of the basic tenants of National Socialism and seem to have equally little interest in learning as this would expose the grossly inappropriate usage and help to more easily and quickly identify those same people calling making Nazi comparisons on internet forums as someone without the slightest idea of that which they speak.

Can you expand on some similarities or can we just concede that you are mindlessly repeating something that you have no real understanding of in a attempt to shock the passing reader with your conviction so we can move on?


Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
 

As we speak the civil authorities in Damascus are kicking in citizens doors, killing those who resist and jailing others for the crime of reporting the truth to the world.


Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
 

reporting the truth to the world? what truth? dont you realize and get it that all the middle east revolutions are manufactured by the united states and britian in the project for a new century.


I don't understand the point you are trying to make? Do you understand the point you are trying to make?

Are you denying the veracity of human rights abuse reports coming out of Syria?

Are you somehow intimating that the Syrian authorities crimes and abuses are being orchestrated by the west and that western governments actually responsible for the thousands of innocents murdered and missing by Assad's desperate action to assert his regimes particular brand of rule of law over the general population?

Are you saying that the Syrian peoples cries against repression as manifested in the current popular uprising is unjust, that the west should not support the Syrian populations demands for democratic reforms?

Your ideologies seem to be blinding you to what is important. The selective perception has bred misplaced hatred where the condition and fate of your fellow man seems a secondary consideration to an opportunity to berate the system that freely gives you the same rights at birth that people across the middle east are bleeding and dying for.


Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
 

...for a few terrible events in modern history, most notably the death of over a million civilian non-combatants through the strategic bombing of Germany and Japan culminating in the atom bomb raids (the same group you were glorifying as "just" and "for a good cause" in a previous post were responsible for the deaths of more innocents than any other action in any other war.)



Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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Responsible for a few terrible events in modern history? really what about Americas role of supporting terrorist groups making them fight wars for america and its puppet allies? america during the bosnian conflict has transported Islamic terrorist groups from overseas into bosnia killing innocent serb civilians.


A word of advice if I may, be careful who you try to B.S. on the internet, they may know what your talking about and call your bluff.

I am very well versed in modern history and will engage you on any of the specifics you care to discuss. Modern history can certainly bare witness to a myriad of questionable and outright illegal actions by various U.S. administrations in the guise of official policy to fill volumes.

Amusingly, the examples you are citing in your post are distortions of the true facts driven by various (usually internal political) agendas and spoon fed to the gullible who perpetuate the same fallacies by regurgitating them ad nauseum to other, equally uninformed people who buy into them hook, line and sinker.

There are plenty of legitimate criticisms that directed towards the U.S and NATO's interdiction of the War in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Most who are familiar with the whole of the matter agree one part the west got right was
forceful intervention albeit too late for some 100,000 innocent souls.

Allow me to correct your fallacies and misinformation regarding U.S. involvement in Bosnia....

A random sample of Serbian War crimes
 


Siege of Sarajevo

After Bosnia and Herzegovina had declared independence from Yugoslavia, the Serbs, whose strategic goal was to create a new Serbian State of Republika Srpska (RS) that would include part of the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina,[5] encircled Sarajevo with a siege force of 18,000[6] stationed in the surrounding hills, from which they assaulted the city with weapons that included artillery, mortars, tanks, anti-aircraft guns, heavy machine-guns, multiple rocket launchers, rocket-launched aircraft bombs, and sniper rifles.[6] From 2 May 1992, the Serbs blockaded the city. The Bosnian government defence forces inside the besieged city were poorly equipped and unable to break the siege.


Study of the battle and siege of Sarajevo
 


Operation Corridor

Operation Corridor (Serbian: Operacija Koridor) was the code name given to the military operation conducted by Serb forces in Bosanska Posavina against joint Croat and Bosnian government forces which began in June 1992 and ended in July of the same year. The goal of the operation was uniting eastern and western parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina held by Serb forces. The operation resulted in Serb forces gaining control of the Bosanska Posavina region, and in the process Serb forces committed ethnic cleansing of non-Serb population.

 


Foča massacres

The Foča massacres also known as the Foča genocide were a series of killings committed by Serb military, police and paramilitary forces on Bosniak civilians in the Foča region of Bosnia and Herzegovina (including the towns of Gacko and Kalinovik) from April 7, 1992 to January, 1994. In a 1997 judgement against Novislav Đajić, the Bavarian Appeals Chamber ruled that the killings in which he was involved in June 1992 were acts of genocide.

In numerous verdicts, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia ruled that these killings constituted crimes against humanity. Asides from mass murder, the campaign against non-Serb civilians in the region also included ethnic cleansing, mass rapes, and the deliberate destruction of Bosniak property and cultural sites. All Bosniaks were expelled from the area. Some 2,704 people from Foča are missing or were killed during the massacres period.Additionally, Serb authorities set up locations - commonly described as rape camps - in which hundreds of women were raped.

Numerous Serb officers, soldiers and other participants in the Foča massacres were accused and convicted of war crimes by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.


Facts about Foča
 


Prijedor massacre

The Prijedor massacre, also known as the Prijedor ethnic cleansing or the Prijedor genocide, refers to numerous war crimes committed during the Bosnian war by the Serb political and military leadership mostly on Bosniak civilians in the Prijedor region of Bosnia-Herzegovina. After the Srebrenica genocide, it is the second largest massacre committed during the Bosnian war in 1992. According to the Sarajevo-based Research and Documentation Center (IDC), around 5,200 Bosniaks and Croats from Prijedor are missing or were killed during the massacre period, and around 14,000 people in the wider region of Prijedor (Pounje).[


Exhibit details Bosnia ethnic cleansing
 


UN/Western intervention
 


Peace plans offered before and during the Bosnian War

Four major peace plans were offered before and during the Bosnian-Herzegovina War, commonly known as the Bosnian War, by European Community (EC) and United Nations (UN) diplomats before the conflict was settled by the Dayton Agreement in 1995.

 


NATO/Balkans interventions

NATO intervention began on 12 April 1993 with Operation Deny Flight, enforcing a no-fly zone under UN mandate over central Bosnia and Herzegovina until December 1995, the end of the war. Two months later Operation Sharp Guard, which ran from June 1993 – October 1996, commmenced. It provided maritime enforcement of the arms embargo and economic sanctions against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. On 28 February 1994, NATO took its first military action, shooting down four Bosnian Serb aircraft violating the no-fly zone. A NATO bombing campaign, Operation Deliberate Force, began in August 1995, against the Army of the Republika Srpska, after the Srebrenica massacre. NATO air strikes that year helped bring the war in Bosnia to an end, resulting in the Dayton Agreement. As part of this agreement, NATO deployed a UN-mandated peacekeeping force, under Operation Joint Endeavor, first named IFOR and then SFOR, which ran from December 1996 to December 2004. Following the lead of its member nations, NATO began to award a service medal, the NATO Medal, for these operations.

 

Peace in Bosnia
 


Dayton Agreement

The General Framework Agreement for Peace in Bosnia and Herzegovina, also known as the Dayton Agreement, Dayton Accords, Paris Protocol or Dayton-Paris Agreement, is the peace agreement reached at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base near Dayton, Ohio in November 1995, and formally signed in Paris on December 14, 1995. These accords put an end to the three and a half year long war in Bosnia, one of the armed conflicts in the former Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia.


I believe the above outlines the enough of the specifics to clarify your misconceptions regarding the identity of the primary criminal belligerent of the Bosnian conflict.

I am eager to recieve any rebuttal or challenge to the information I have provided to correct the gross inaccuracies and historical fallacies you have attempted to use to both deceive the members of this forum and to slander NATO and the U.S.

This next bit read so disjointed as to be nonsensical, however I believe I have deciphered the intent to be a run on of the sophomoric editorial you have demonstrated to have formed based on ridiculously poor misinformation. I see nothing lost in bundling them as a single point for purpose of acknowledgement but little point responding to such nonsense as with anything but glib sarcasm...

Remember kids, garbage in, garbage out!



Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
 

reply to post by Drunkenparrot
 
And for what is happening in the middle east and the fake uprisings its called....



reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter
 

its called kill everyone who gets in the way and pay a bunch of mercenaries to do it for you that way you can hide behind them


Without touching on whether your position can be supported by any kind of uncomfortable formalities like facts, Do you understand that to be true, your worldview requires nearly everyone else, 300 million people, fall for the grand hoodwink of all time, but not you ?.

How likely would you believe that to be?

The only other thing I would add is that your second quote was not posted anywhere in this thread, its bizarity interested me enough and not wanting to risk a possible miscommunication I made a quick inquiry yielded the interesting factoid that you are anonymously quoting yourself from your own unpopular OP coincidently titled...Libya mission about oil, arms ,


Moving along...

I believe we are all fundamentally friends here.

As friends, I would like to share a personal observation in addressing your final remark, one that sadly and predictably proves correct time and again and seems appropriate.


Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Thats right Sheeps, same crab in Syria why Syria you may ask? duh the russians have a huge Naval base now i wonder what happens when a pro Washington puppet minster is installed i wonder do you think he will approve of that base? No he wouldn't.


Whenever someone invokes the "sheeple" mantra it is a huge red flag to many that the persons opinions are guaranteed to be influenced by the some type of the same hidden "socially engineering" they narcissistically believe manipulates the silent majority whom turn to the MSM giants daily for their worldview. .

It is no accident that the type of counter cultures which tolerate and encourage vitriolic demonization of the established status quo is represented by a majority percentage of teenage and 20 something males whose membership is rounded out with a minority of older genuine social misfits, malcontents, paranoid schizophrenics and pathological liars selling fantastic untruths to the naive and uneducated youth to validate their inferiorities and failures.

Manipulating counter culture flashpoints to influence popular opinion through the 6 o'clock news has been an effective tactic used by small groups since the 1960's and the mainstream accessibility to instantaneous personal communication technologies will only see the this type of subterfuge grow( the Arab Spring uprisings a very good example of the social implications of global networking in 140 characters or less..)

Misinformation and deception to disguise political, corporate and nationalistic agendas is a historically common ruse and by no means the sole proprietary territory of the "TPTB" and the establishment. To quote the particularly media savy counter culture icon Paul Watson “If you don’t know an answer, a fact, a statistic, then ... make it up on the spot.”

Neptune’s Navy/ The New Yorker

It is a simple formula that one need look no farther than message boards catering to "alternative" opinions to see how wildly successful this type of subversion can be when cultivated amongst a susceptible demographic.

Through various outlets modern society seems to provide an optimal medium to guarantee a measurable percentage of teens and 20 something's are particularly predisposed. There is no substitute for experience and with it the wisdom born from the ugly scars caused by apathy and cynicism. The weight of years spent in an often senseless and cruel world touch even the most hopeful and idealistic of every generation and teach most of us to be suspect of the motivations behind those who preach alternate truths that allegedly expose the evils of the establishment.

Take a group already hardwired by nature to feel social angst, whose maturation is at the level where questioning authority is accepted by most as a natural consequence of early self expression but whose life experience still lack the kind B.S. detector that maturity eventually forces upon most of us by the time we are 25 or 30 and you have a basic profile of the person most often associated with the type of internet identities.

Those who calling for violent revolution from the safety of middle class suburbia, clueless parroting fraudulent statistics, selective half truths and fictional hearsay sensationalistic, unsourced internet blogs are youtube rap videos given carte blance credibility because they mention the rhyming the word illuminati.

Bragging about being "awake" amongst "the sheeple", the whole while unknowingly co-opted into the very definition of "sleeping amongst the sheep" by forming their opinions from misinformation purposefully crafted by others to generate a desired social result.

Trust me on this Agent_USA_Supporter (and anyone else who really believes 95% of the make believe subversive garbage) As long as you continue to fail critical basic thinking because its more fun to demean society, You are shill.

Oh the comic irony.

 

Edit: Agent_USA_Supporter, after the above thorough trouncing of your hollow NATO/Nazi accusation, your only rebuttal is to be the first and only person to ever "foe" my ATS account?

To shamelessly quote myself...


Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
 

Oh the comic irony.




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posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 04:42 AM
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I was able to star the post but not able to flag. There is no option to flag or unflag, its simply blacked out and capped at 100?

Thanks for the perspective, not sure how I missed it.



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 05:19 AM
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Evidently the OP seems to be have been written before or without realising who has been blamed officially for the incident and under the assumption that it was/would be blamed on Islamic extremists. Even so, it raises some interesting points and credit to all those who responded to those points all though not quite relevant to the incident at hand.

I am puzzled with the use of the word 'tragedy' myself. Of course, it is a tragedy for the friends and families of those who died, but when incidents are reported in the press, the term 'tragedy' is usually applied for an unnatural death where no responsibility can be assigned to a human agent. Where there is a human agent causing an intentional death, rarely has the term 'tragedy' been applied. 'Act of terrorism', 'Psychopathic killing spree' etc. are the more likely terms used to describe an incident such as this. 'Tragedy' is usually applied when the readers/listeners/viewers are being directed towards the grief of the near and dear rather than express anger/happiness over the killings. Have they already decided that the alleged perpetrator is not responible for his actions?


The OP deplores the differential sensitivity people show for incidents like this depending on where they happen or who they happen to. That is kind of funny since anything else would make it impossible for any human to function. The level of concern anyone shows to the death or damage caused to someone is inversely proportional to the emotional distance between the two. If that were not so, it would be impossible for such a human to function, since at any given time someone somewhere is getting hurt even unjustly and such an individual would be permanently grief-stricken and incapable of any action. But if the intent is to say that one should worry equally about the damage caused to "others" because of one's actions as one does about damage caused to one's "own" by others, I completely agree.

Some here opined that intentional attacks on civilians even as a retaliation are unjustified. Since none of these "wars" in Muslim countries were initiated by the victim nations and the aggressor nations had not been victimised them in any way, everyone who died, military or civilian, was murdered. Since the attacking nations are democracies, all the citizens are responsible for those murders. So any retaliation by Islamic extremists is murderers being executed, a simple case of justice being rendered, certainly not a tragedy.



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by koperniguz
To OP:

It is BIG news because these kind of events are rare in northern Europe country. Do you see bomb attacks or killing spree's here everyday like in Afghanistan etc..? The press is somewhat numb about events in Iraq etc, because killing people there is a everyday fact.


As well as the millions of hungry people, the news from Africa was hardly mentioned for more than an article or two in Denmark.

But this Norway thing has been blasted up with 500+ articles.

Thanks,



posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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I am puzzled with the use of the word 'tragedy' myself. Of course, it is a tragedy for the friends and families of those who died, but when incidents are reported in the press, the term 'tragedy' is usually applied for an unnatural death where no responsibility can be assigned to a human agent. Where there is a human agent causing an intentional death, rarely has the term 'tragedy' been applied. 'Act of terrorism', 'Psychopathic killing spree' etc. are the more likely terms used to describe an incident such as this. 'Tragedy' is usually applied when the readers/listeners/viewers are being directed towards the grief of the near and dear rather than express anger/happiness over the killings.


I respect your opinion but I think #6 & #7 defines the use of the term in the context in which it was used. There is no definition that excludes a "human agent".


World English Dictionary - tragedy (ˈtrædʒɪdɪ) — n , pl -dies
1. (esp in classical and Renaissance drama) a play in which the protagonist, usually a man of importance and outstanding personal qualities, falls to disaster through the combination of a personal failing and circumstances with which he cannot deal

2. (in later drama, such as that of Ibsen) a play in which the protagonist is overcome by a combination of social and psychological circumstances

3. any dramatic or literary composition dealing with serious or sombre themes and ending with disaster

4. (in medieval literature) a literary work in which a great person falls from prosperity to disaster, often through no fault of his own

5. the branch of drama dealing with such themes

6. the unfortunate aspect of something

7. a shocking or sad event; disaster

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posted on Jul, 26 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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How many people have died (excluding 9/11) because of a terrorist attack (anywhere outside the middle Eastern countries that have been invaded)? More people die from accidents in their own home.

Look, we all know we don't live in a bubble. Shxx happens! Aberrant human behavior like this causes crime. Insurance companies make lots of money by covering bets on mortality. How many people have died from other causes like starvation, disease, transportation accidents, etc.? If you were the President or PM of a country, what would be the most practical efficient way to spend BILLIONS to save human lives? What individual responsibility do people have to protect themselves from a threat?

The expansion of government control to take away your freedom in order to protect you from a low probability threat is not acceptable IMHO. That is why the false flag threats have to continue. People seem to feel more reassured if their fear factor and personal freedom is reduced through government action. There are NO guarantees!

What would be the fatality count if all those people on the island rushed the guy before he could reload? People have to take their own action when they can instead of relying on the government to solve the problem.






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