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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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I was just thinking after reading some works of Helena Blavatsky, how truly pervasive hate for the Jews is amongst theosophists, gnostics and students of the "perennial philosophy"..... It is infact, a perennial 'hate', handed down from generation to generation.

It is actually quite an ugly thing. I can not go through "the secret doctrine" or "isis unveiled" without encountering some attack on the Jews , either by attacking their G-d (which afterall, is the root reason for why every people has ever oppressed/persecuted the Jews) or some aspect of biblical philosophy.

For instance, Blavatasky say in the secret doctrine that the concept of a "personal G-d" (A Jewish idea) led to the personification of evil as "satan". Because i know better (while the majority of her readers do not) she can pass off this anochronistic notion that Judaism invented the notion of evil personified who stands in opposition to G-d.. As a matter of fact, Judaism DOES NOT - not once in any "old testament" book, neither in the Torah, or prophets, or writings, refer to Satan as a differentiated entity (this is a christian belief). This Hebrew word simply means 'the accuser', and it refers to an abstract principle that 'opposes', so to say, ones own spiritual progress. The Satan is looked at by the Talmud as a part of G-d, as Isaiah even says (of course Blavatasky wouldnt bother to mention this, wanting her readers to share her feelings of disdain for biblical teachings) "I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

Since the name used here - the tetragrammaton - is blavataskys "demiurge", it makes absolutely no sense to think of this G-d as a solely "good" G-d, as she says. G-d here says through the prophets mouth, that He is also responsible for evil.

Other theosophists and gnostics, like Samael Aun Weor, or Alice Bailey, the hate for Jews borderlines on antagonistic; especially in the former (although the latter reserved some very harsh words for them)... Its almost as if they are the official enemy of the gnostic/buddhist, essentially pagan order. Im surprised more people dont look at this as a confirmation of the biblical prophecy of Balaam "From the rocky peaks I see them, from the heights I view them. I see a people who live apart and do not consider themselves one of the nations.. this idea is repeated over and over again in the Bible. The Hebrews/Jews are separate from the nations. And apparently, this separation is NOT ethnic, or cultural, but philosophical. They have completely diverged from the pagan, polytheism of the other nations. According to the bible, and as blatantly apparent by just looking at todays society, paganism had a very relativistic idea of morality. Evil, was not evil. Evil could become good. Good become evil. This is literally the transformation i see with the typical gnostics/theosophists percpetion of the Jew. They build such a hate, and annoyance with them, that they ignore their beautiful and simple attributes of humility, charity, love, and fear of G-d. They will also dumb down MAJORLY the Kabbalistic philosophy of the Hebrews. They will misrepresent biblical ideas, even amidst their utilizing some while deprecating others.

But why such Hate?? This is why i reject theosophy. It is their ARROGANCE, and to use a Jewish term, "Chutzpah", to go about as if they are without any fault whatsover. To choose who will live and who will die. And behind this crass dogmatism (and theosophy is the most obnoxious dogmatism i have ever come by) they justify themselves as 'avatars' and agents of higher principles. Such chaos should not be contenanced. These people are humans, and NOT "gods", or Demigods. They have forgotten their inherent humanity. They have forgot that we ARE NOT gods, in the same sense as the infinite one. This is what Judaism does. It hallows the ininite one, which is why the very tetragrammaton spitten and trodden upon by pagan mystics and orientalists contains the Hebrew words for Is "Hoveh", Was "Hayah", and will be "Yehi". Its 3 unique letters produce these 3 words. This name thus symbolizes the very concept of 'being', beyond all differentiation. Beyond time. It is the eternal.

So why do they indulge in such hate and aversion for the Jews? Why do they engineer holocausts and incite the ignorant masses on them?? How can these people justify such cruelty, and pass it off for "Karmic influences".. It erases the phenomena of free will. It pretends as if they arent consciously arranging for the demise of the Jewish religion, Jewish people, and any other people (christians/muslims) that have been influenced by the Hebraic concept of G-d and morality.

Karma is not an excuse. Both Blavatasky and Bailey claimed the sufferring of the Jews was because they abanonded the logical philosophical "pantheism" of their pagan brethren in pursuit - out of laziness she adds (another pathetic characterization) - of a "merciful father in Heaven"... This walking out of step with the way of the world caused a 'cosmic compensation' to be made, in which the Jewish 'repression of the principle of evil' caused the universe to impell evil upon them..

First, and let it be understood. The Jew is not the Christian. In many ways, Christianity has been a satire of Judaism. Judaism doesnt have any 'problem' with evil, which is why they attribute both good and bad to G-d. But at the same time, Judaism is IDEALISTIC. It believes mankind is inherently above - being made in the image of Elohim and containing within his being all the powers of the universe - and possesses an ability to PERFECT the universe, both materially, and spiritually. Man is therefore required to perfect this world spiritually by following his conscience; his reason, the logos, and by doing so, makes the ideal, real.




posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Some of it may be in response to the Jewish people being somewhat Xenophobic in nature. They generally don't participate in a community outside of they're own groups. This sort of thing alienates people and they take it the wrong way. Then when the # hits the fan, people start pointing fingers. Just a theory, personally I think everyone is equally crazy regardless of race, religion, social group, etc....



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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-Rabbi Shimon ben Yochai said: The graves of gentiles do not cause ritual impurity in a dwelling as it says (Ezekiel 34:31) "Now, you [Israel] are My sheep , the sheep of My pasture, you are Man (Adam)…" You [Israel, the subject of the verse] are called Man (Adam) and gentiles are not called Man (Adam). Talmud Keritot 6b--


Do Jews pertain to Non-Jews as Goyim?

Why does this tractate refer to Non-Jews as not called(being) man; inferring they are beasts.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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But we see that phenomena with other groups as well.

Here in Toronto for instance, Asians stick with asians, Indians with Indians, Muslims with Muslims, Jews with Jews. It is a HEAVILY segregated society.

Im sure their segregation and isolationism is a reason for 'annoyance', but its one thing to be alert to something which you regard as strange and weird, and another to regard this thing which is strange, as maleficent.

It doesnt happen on its own. There is ALWAYS some interest group behind such incitement. And this group are the above explained perennial philosophers/mystics who when they desire, or consider it proper timing, unleash the masses on the Jews.

Every society has done it to them. Whether Christian, Muslim, Democratic, Communist, or National Socialism, the Jews have been the desired targeted group,. And its because these mystics have philosophical views of the 'disempowered' Jew, as Jesus - a Jew - was crucified, and died for the sins of mankind, so too have the Jews been crucified and sacrificed throughout history out of some cosmic archetypal process, for the sins of mankind.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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Yes, but its not the same. I have lived in melting pots for the majority of my life, and I haven't seen a community as closed off, or seemingly exclusive. They aren't as prone to mingling as other groups. Don't get me wrong, I actually do have Jewish friends, and we love to debate stuff like this. And I wouldn't say they were the only group that does this either. Its just an inherent flaw of religion...to think your chosen and others are not. And some people take it too seriously.
EDIT: Its not about people sticking together, its about people closing each other off.
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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by JustinSee
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Yes, but its not the same. I have lived in melting pots for the majority of my life, and I haven't seen a community as closed off, or seemingly exclusive. They aren't as prone to mingling as other groups. Don't get me wrong, I actually do have Jewish friends, and we love to debate stuff like this. And I wouldn't say they were the only group that does this either. Its just an inherent flaw of religion...to think your chosen and others are not. And some people take it too seriously.
EDIT: Its not about people sticking together, its about people closing each other off.
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Really now? Come to north east part of the United States and you will see it EVERYWHERE. Jews have their own communities, Latinos, Italians, Asians, etc. Many exclusives around here.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:08 PM
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You infer, that quote implies.

And, in other places in the Talmud, non Jews are referred to as Adam.

Ie: in Avodah Zara

"Rabbi Meir would say: How do we know that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a Jewish high priest? We learn from the verse (Leviticus 18:5) "which man (HaAdam=the man) shall do [i.e. study] and by which he shall live [in the afterlife]."

In Gittin

"A gentile has the ability to purchase land in Israel in order to dig holes and caves as it says (Psalms 115:16) "As for the heavens, the heavens are the Lord's; but the earth He has given to mankind (Bnei Adam=sons of Adam).""...

The people who try to present the Talmud as racist are taking advantage of laymen ignorance. The Talmud is a book written by priests and sages. It is MYSTICAL, and METAPHYSICAL, as all or most sacred books are. Thus, the language used is conveying an IDEA and concept, hidden beneath the veil of ordinary language.

In some places, non-Jews are referred to as not "Adam", which means man. But in other places they are called HaAdam (the man) or Bnei Adam (sons of man)..... And each form of phrase refers to a different idea. Adam, without the prefix "Heh", which means 'the', refers to a unified organism initself. Because the nonJews are not united in purpose and will as the Jews are, they are not called Adam. This is ALL that is meant by this classification. In other areas, non-Jews are called Ha-Adam. The Heh article, which means "the", refers to an objective perception of something. When you say "the", you isolate that thing, and focus in on it. Thus, a non Jew is OBJECTIVELY a human being. He contains everything that a Jew has - both physically and spiritually. But in terms of Adam - the first man who embodied the original will of G-d, they do not meet those requirements according to Judaism; atleast not yet, or in this era, because of the relative separation in belief and purpose between men on earth. Also, this Talmudic idea wouldnt have complete validity today either. Today, there are MANY non-religious Jews, secular Jews, Jews with different ideas about Judaism. In other words, many Jews who dont even meet the requirements of the Talmudic "Adam".

As for Bnei Adam. This means "sons of Adam", which obviously all people are.


You can learn more about it here.
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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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I'm not talking about that. Your getting social interaction confused with ethnic living space in the context of my words. They don't like to intermingle that much. The community seems a little paranoid.
I have met alot of younger Hacidics who have gone out of there way to talk to me, but sort of run away when older ones appear. I can see the younger ones want to socialize with me, but they are afraid of the stigma around it.
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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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But we see that phenomena with other groups as well.

Here in Toronto for instance, Asians stick with asians, Indians with Indians, Muslims with Muslims, Jews with Jews. It is a HEAVILY segregated society.

Im sure their segregation and isolationism is a reason for 'annoyance', but its one thing to be alert to something which you regard as strange and weird, and another to regard this thing which is strange, as maleficent.

It doesnt happen on its own. There is ALWAYS some interest group behind such incitement. And this group are the above explained perennial philosophers/mystics who when they desire, or consider it proper timing, unleash the masses on the Jews.

Every society has done it to them. Whether Christian, Muslim, Democratic, Communist, or National Socialism, the Jews have been the desired targeted group,. And its because these mystics have philosophical views of the 'disempowered' Jew, as Jesus - a Jew - was crucified, and died for the sins of mankind, so too have the Jews been crucified and sacrificed throughout history out of some cosmic archetypal process, for the sins of mankind.



I don't believe the above statements about every society targeting the Jews but if I did I would more than likely look at the common denominator to the issues and think that maybe something with that part of the equation is the catalyst to the conflicts. So... what is the common denominator to your above statement.........



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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Regardless, I was writing of my own theory as to why people hate the Jews. Personally, I am a mutt, I live in the city, I talk to alot of people. I see goups hate other groups, I see some closing themselves off. I see people putting money into they're community, and people hoarding it away. Some come from this religion, some come from that religion. Some people are walking stereotypes, others shame the thought of said stereotype. Again, I think everyone is a crazy nut ball.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Excellent! S&F

Further discussion, Hebrew (different than judaism imo) omitted many angel names within the OT and classified them as unfocused phrases such as "the angel of the lord" or "the angel of fire" etc etc. This was done purposefully in order to appease the G-d and not to bring worship towards angelic beings. This can also be seen as a flip-side why Satan/Lucy was omitted out of the Hebrew bible, they did not want to bring worship to other beings other than G-d. Which to the regards of Hebrew was listening to the law!

,but interesting enough, Adam and Eve both acknowledged evil. (Talking snake=a Liar) Even obeyed into it. But these Oral Traditions were conflicting with Religious Laws and Ancient Hebrews just did not have time to answer the philosophical question about evil.

The proof pudding in my opinion about Satan being in the bible would be in the book of Job.

Judaism belief is, "there is no such thing as coincidence"

Ancient Hebrew worshipped in YWHW, but also layered G-d in different moods as well. So ancient Judaism in some way believed in a Multi-G-d that was united within the G-dhead(I use this word loosely). If you believe in the fact that G-d did have a working dialogue with the Hebrews, you can understand why they may have had a polytheism relationship with G-d. That is why they "fear" Him and love Him at the same time.

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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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The people who try to present the Talmud as racist are taking advantage of laymen ignorance. The Talmud is a book written by priests and sages. It is MYSTICAL, and METAPHYSICAL, as all or most sacred books are. Thus, the language used is conveying an IDEA and concept, hidden beneath the veil of ordinary language.


So if i write a book and claim god wrote it or encouraged me to write it; or i infer it is the word of god and shall be followed strictly like a religious doctrine.

I have just created another Religion

Like the Facetious Fallacy Judaism , Christianity , Islam and many other Contrived Religion/God Theism's/Religions That exist on this Earth.

Did you ever consider to yourself the possibility that any of these things have no pertinence to the 5 billion years Earth has existed before man Arose.

Link- Their Thoughts on the Goyim(Non-Jews)




"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b





The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."Baba Kamma 37b






Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

The original Text Is below. But means one and the same as above


Rabbi Ila'i said: If a person is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known, dress in black clothes, cover his head in black, and do what his heart desires so that G-d's name will not be desecrated.







Rabbi Yochanan said: A gentile who studies Torah is liable for death as it says (Deuteronomy 33:4) "Moses commanded us Torah as a heritage." It is a heritage for us and not for them... Rabbi Meir would say: How do we know that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a Jewish high priest? As it says (Leviticus 18:5) "Which man shall do [i.e. study] and by which he shall live [in the afterlife]." It does not say "priests, Levites, and Israelites" but "man". We learn from here that even a gentile who engages in the study of Torah is like a Jewish high priest. [We answer the contradiction between Rabbi Yochanan's statement and Rabbi Meir's that] there [Rabbi Meir] is referring to their seven commandments.


Translates to


Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Ok. None of that is valid reason to "hate" a group.

Does it come off as strange? Undoubtedly. But i also find chinese isolationism much weirder, and infact they are more rude as well (come to Toronto if you want to know what isolationism is. If you dont live in a city like Toronto, New York, or London, you dont know what this phenomena is like)...

Toronto is like living in multicultural-ville. You go to the northeast of the city and you encounter JUST CHINESE named businesses. You can barely navigate. There is one mall - pacific mall - which is ENTIRELY asian. All the stores are Chinese. None are in English. 99.9% of the people there are Asians. Its gotten so bad that the major borough their called 'agincourt' is now referred to as 'asiancourt'. In the south west of Toronto which is dominated by south-east Asians; Indians/Sri lankans and Bangladeshans, the city of "brampton", is referred to as "bramladesh".

This is not a melting pot. This may infact just be proof of how dangerous multi-culturalism can be. These groups arent "melting". They are infact dominating. And forming their own sub-communities within the Canadian framework.

This is likewise the case in Indian communities which likewise have their hindi named stores, without english, and also in Jewish communities you have Hebrew named stores, likewise in Muslim communities which have Arabic named stores. Again in Persian communities with farsi named stores, or Italian, Portuguese, Greek, Romanian, with their own communities, with their own stores with names in their own languages.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Further discussion, Hebrew (different than judaism imo) omitted many angel names within the OT and classified them as unfocused phrases such as "the angel of the lord" or "the angel of fire" etc etc. This was done purposefully in order to appease the G-d and not to bring worship towards angelic beings. This can also be seen as a flip-side why Satan/Lucy was omitted out of the Hebrew bible, they did not want to bring worship to other beings other than G-d. Which to the regards of Hebrew was listening to the law!


And wheres your proof for this??




,but interesting enough, Adam and Eve both acknowledged evil. (Talking snake=a Liar) Even obeyed into it. But these Oral Traditions were conflicting with Religious Laws and Ancient Hebrews just did not have time to answer the philosophical question about evil.


I really dont know what you mean by this.




The proof pudding in my opinion about Satan being in the bible would be in the book of Job.


And that is the only book in the TaNaKh which mentions Satan, and allegorizes him as an 'opposing force'.

If you read the Book of job in Hebrew, you will notice that throughout the entire book, the name YHVH only appears in the beginning, where G-d convenes the heavenly hosts and Satan arrives, and at the very end, after Job is finished airing his grievances about G-d with his 3 companions.

Elihu, the young man who 'waiting till his elders had spoken' was the only one worth listening to. He represents a simplistic (hence him being 'young') comprehension of G-d. Because we are limited beings, and inherently unable to understand the mysterious workings of the creator, we are fundamentally unable to make any accussations against him. Only after Elihu - or the perception of simplicity - has spoken (or is assimilated into consciousness) does the name YHVH appear. Throughout the book, Job was speaking to G-d as El, or Eloah, or El Shaddai, or Elohim. But never once did he recognize and relate to G-d as the name of mercy and eternity. Only when Elihu brought this to his mind, did the name YHVH appear. And to read these words last words of Job, now enlightened, is amazing.

"Then Job answered יהוה, and said, "

"Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will ask of thee, and declare thou unto me. 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
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The name of יהוה is a name of mercy. And here Job prescribes the manner in which man is to connect with this sublime name of G-d. "HEAR, I Beeech thee". I will speak to you with words. "I will ask of thee, and you will answer me" . I will ask from you. I will turn my mind to the infinite, and knowing G-d is above all, and can do anything, he will answer me. After this process. After approaching the infinite, and 'seeing' as G-d sees, so to speak, Job, or the soul in turmoil, realizes his own vain thoughts about G-d were abhorrent. His lack of insight and belief, caused him to err. He realizes he is but 'dust and ashes'. Everything that G-d does is for His own good.




Ancient Hebrew worshipped in YWHW, but also layered G-d in different moods as well. So ancient Judaism in some way believed in a Multi-G-d that was united within the G-dhead(I use this word loosely). If you believe in the fact that G-d did have a working dialogue with the Hebrews, you can understand why they may have had a polytheism relationship with G-d. That is why they "fear" Him and love Him at the same time.


You should read Rabbi Elijah Benamozeghs "Israel and Humanity". G-d from our perception is always twofold. He is both the one, unified reality, and He is both the phenomena of this world, differentiated, and so when we speak of him we use ostensibly polytheistic language. But it is quite different to say "Gavriel", ie; Gevurah El, "strength of G-d", or Michael Mi Ka El "Who is like G-d", or Rafael "healing of G-d"... Then to deify and worship a power, as the hindus do, disassociated from the infinite center.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Further discussion, Hebrew (different than judaism imo) omitted many angel names within the OT and classified them as unfocused phrases such as "the angel of the lord" or "the angel of fire" etc etc. This was done purposefully in order to appease the G-d and not to bring worship towards angelic beings. This can also be seen as a flip-side why Satan/Lucy was omitted out of the Hebrew bible, they did not want to bring worship to other beings other than G-d. Which to the regards of Hebrew was listening to the law!



And wheres your proof for this??

I'm surprised that you did not know this

poopy source too. www.freewebs.com...



Angels lost their prominence in Jewish belief due to the Rabbis' fearing that people would worship angels instead of G-d. Indeed they felt that this might lead to blasphemy. However, as Margolies states in his book "A Gathering of Angels (1.7, p.11):





,but interesting enough, Adam and Eve both acknowledged evil. (Talking snake=a Liar) Even obeyed into it. But these Oral Traditions were conflicting with Religious Laws and Ancient Hebrews just did not have time to answer the philosophical question about evil.


I really dont know what you mean by this.

Humans acknowledged evil. Adam and eve did. Hebrews not so much, more so when strict laws were being in place.





Do not think that I am trying to debunk you, if anything I am on your side and we probably have some ideological differences. It is about our commonality !
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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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seems there is some explaining to do


For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God. -Romans2

For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. -Philippians3

That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. -Roman9

For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect -Romans4

he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son? And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool. David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son? -Luke20

if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. -Galatians3

he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. -Matthew

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John10

thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. -Isaiah62

the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. -Acts11

in Christ there is neither Jew or Greek male or female slave or free -Galatians

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
-4

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
-1John

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie -Revelation3

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. -11
www.biblegateway.com...



The best known 18th century editions of the New Testament in English are the Rheims (Douai) Edition and the King James Authorized Edition. The Rheims (Douai) translation of the New Testament into English was first printed in 1582 but the word "Jew" did not appear in it.

The King James Authorized translation of the New Testament into English was begun in 1604 and first published in 1611. The word "Jew" did not appear in it either. The word "Jew" appeared in both these well known editions in their 18th century revised versions for the first times.
www.biblebelievers.org.au...



Following is a surprising article from respected news source YNET in Israel, about the Jewish-Bolshevik conquest of Russia after 1917... (unlikely to ever be reprinted or reported by America's major print, TV or radio "news" media.)

STALIN'S JEWS - Opinion from Israel, Ynetnews

12-21-6 Excerpts only...

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the 'bloodthirsty dwarf'."

www.ynetnews.com...



SOLZHENITSYN: 66 Million Murdered By Jewish Bolsheviks...

Henry Makow PhD (an anti-Zionist Canadian Jew), in his "Red Symphony" essay (see Makow's savethemales.com website archives) claims that from the behind the scenes, the ROTHSCHILD BANKING CARTEL financed and controlled the BOLSHEVIKS who took over Russia.

If one wants to know the extent of the STATE TERROR and HORROR inflicted upon people in Russia since 1917 AFTER the JEWISH BOLSHEVIKS of Lenin (and his Party competitor) Trotsky, took TOTAL power, read the following informative short article by TEXE MARRS (not related to Jim Marrs) about historian Solzhenitsyn's latest book (banned in the West), "Together for Two Hundred Years."

Solzhenitsyn: The "Conscience of the 20th Century"

TEXE MARRS at: ConspiracyWorld.com:

If not exaggerated, Solzhenitsyn asserts that since 1917, the Bolsheviks, continuing under assassin Stalin, through and even after WW2, systematically executed, and inside (and outside) their thousands of Gulags, worked, starved and froze to death, SIXTY-SIX million people, not all, but most of them CHRISTIANS (whom the Bolsheviks hated). This mass death was THE LARGEST REAL "HOLOCAUST" in modern history - but totally unknown today by most Americans, British and western Europeans and absent from our school books. Of course no publisher in the Western world dares reprint Solzhenitsyn's book in English. www.conspiracyworld.com...

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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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I see you feel you know better than Blavatsky. I don't think you do. As I am sure you know the biblical story is based on borrowed pagan mythology for its concept of who God was and what God demanded.

The problem you have is that the Pagan view was of a celebratory attitude to life with its pantheons of Gods and goddesses representing different aspects of human life.

I am sure you know Ezxra combined YHWH, Canaanite/Judah to El the Israelite God. How you can claim a relationship with two Pagan Gods lumped into one is either interesting or purely delusional. This was a political mechanism which the Jewish Scribes and Priesthood not only used to galvanise two warring factions, but used it also to qualify their power and existence. Don't you realise they would have had no work or jobs had this optomistic view of life continued, so they twisted it thereby perverting it into giving the idea that man had made life worse and consequently needed rules, laws and their services to intercede with God. The Pagan world did not support a priesthood of men and their families, it wasn't necessary.

You are not grasping what Blavatsky said and I suggest that before you comment on Theosophy and Blavatsky you read the Secret Doctrine because it is a fascinating and highly informative book which benefits anyone who is passionate about their spiritual beliefs.



posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Hi Universe--

Interesting comment.

It seems that according to the Rebbes, there are two sorts of persons in the world. Jews ('chosen people' i.e. what they consider themselves (naturally !) to be, i.e. the 'Master Race' who will one day 'rule over the Goyim with a rod of iron and dash them all in pieces like a potter's vessel' !) and Goyim (non Jews or 'Gentiles', whom many of the Rebbes in the Talmud call 'dogs' or other unclean animals... (as the Talmud charmingly reports, 'he who eats with a Gentile is like one who eats with a Dog...") .

Not that Islam does not divide humanity into two basic Types, viz. Muslims and 'infidels' (non Muslims); nor do the Chinese fare much better (by calling their own country the Middle Kingdom - i.e. placed over the earth but beneath the sky, i.e. literally above the rest of the world) and dividing humanity into two Camps, viz. Chinese and NON-Chinese---so xenophobia is not in any way merely confined to the fear-based tribalist religions of the ancient Levant !

But then again, we see the same thing going on with persons who style themselves 'Christians' who like to divide Humanity into two separated groups, e.g. the Saved and the Damned, or "Christians' and "Heathens.." etc. but of course they took over that xenophobia from their Jewish forebearers, staring with R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir (Gk. Iesous, latin: Iesus) - see e.g. the 1st canonical Greek council approved 'gospel according to matthew' (whoever he was) chapter 15, where a SyroPhonecian gentile woman comes to the 'good rebbe' for help with her daughter 'with a bleeder daemon' and is told basically to naff-off by him and his followers -

Read all that nasty racist Greek in Englsh,if you dare ! (Matt chapter 15:12ff)

'Lady, the Bar Enasha ('son of man') was SENT ONLY to the lost Sheep of the Elect of the House of Yisro'el ..and anyway since when would it be right to take the Bread out of the mouths of the Children of the Kingdom, and throw it away TO THE DOGS under the Table?'

(there's that charming Canine epithet for the poor helpless goyim again !)

One of the major reasons why the goyim worldwide (shall we say) seem a little suspicious of persons who style themselves 'Jews' in the world to-day is that the right wing separatist factions among them (at least those who attend Temple services...even in the 21st century !) STILL insist on revering the supposedly ancient Torah of Moses as the 'word of their clan god' YHWH - which document espouses outright racial Genocide and Extermination of gentiles, e.g. the Amalekites and other non-Jewish tribelets - and is full of xenophobic zionist racism and intolerance of the Other - i.e. they base their whole Weltanschauung on a racist/sexist/xenophobic/childish set of gross pre-Scientific superstitions - since -- when all is said and done -- the (supposedly ancient) Torah of Moses is STILL the absolute core of modern world Rabinnic Judaiesm - even the Talmud is roughly based on its traditional words as the rebbes understand them.--ugh !

For a deeper (and more troubling yeet in paces a more alert) discussion of the imbedded racist xenophobia inherent within ancient (and also modern) expressions of pre and post Exilic Judaism (and through 'Iesous', all the various forms of Christianity out there still in the wild to-day) have a close look at the ATS Discussion provided by Amadeus - and continued recently on ATS with some vigour

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Just don't be too shocked when you dig into the weeds of both Torah and Talmud when you read how these charming individuals regard the goyim generally...

I believe this answers the question by the goyim are shall we say just a little unhappy with persons who run around calling themselves the Master Race....er...'Chosen people' (whoops....I sometimes get my racist epithets mixed up ---sorry !)



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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Thank you for your well formulated concise and arduous post.

I will take it to mind and think about it for a while.

The Jews refer to themselves as the Choosen ones this alone suggests to me that the rumours i have heard of what is claims in the Torah and Talmud about the Goyim are very true ( And Haunting Indeed)



Just don't be too shocked when you dig into the weeds of both Torah and Talmud when you read how these charming individuals regard the goyim generally...

I believe this answers the question by the goyim are shall we say just a little unhappy with persons who run around calling themselves the Master Race....er...'Chosen people' (whoops....I get my racist epithets mixed up sometimes, sorry !)


Yes i have discovered what some of the tractates truly mean and their underlying meaning.

They claim to be the master race and all other non-jews(Gentiles, Goyim) are uncleanth beasts.



So people are very suspicious when many high -level government officials and corporation owners and especially hollywood and the MSM owners are of the Jewish faith and/or Ethnicity.

Many come to the understand that they have an agenda;Essentially the sheeple mean nothing to them, We just fund their conquests/empire/domination and protect The purported CHoosen land of Israel.

The Zionists are there its almost impossible to deny it.( We know this because of the U.S's unbridled support for Israel(Zionist)

Can you dissect this video for me Please.( Or anyone else who can)

I find the Video highly disturbing if true about the Zionists true beliefs.

I realise the video is a loose translation of what is actually in the Talmud.

But the Talmud Essentially infers these notions.
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posted on Jul, 15 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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Yay for not knowing the Torah and taking one liners out of context!
Deny ignorance FTL




"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b


It actually says that they are not Adam.

In this passage Adam refers to a particular type of person. Adam is a person who emanates knowledge of G-d by following the Torah.

To put it into today's terms: People who don't follow the Torah are not Jewish. I don't think you would find that in any way offensive. It's the same as people who don't follow the Koran are not Muslim and the people who don't follow the Christian book are not Christian.

Other terms referring to people, Bnei Adam (sons of Adam) or HaAdam (the man), are understood to refer to the species homo sapien of which gentiles are obviously members just as Jews are.

Bnei Adam - gentiles and Jews
HaAdam - Gentiles and Jews
Adam - Jews only



The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."Baba Kamma 37b



Perhaps you would like to quote for me exactly where it says that?

Hint: It does not say that.



Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.


Yeah. Read the original. It says "If a person is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known, dress in black clothes, cover his head in black, and do what his heart desires so that G-d's name will not be desecrated."



Rabbi Ila'i said: If a person is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known, dress in black clothes, cover his head in black, and do what his heart desires so that G-d's name will not be desecrated.



This person is not directly told "You can't do it." That advice to a person steeped in desire is meaningless because the person has lost control of his actions. Rather, the person is bidden to first delay his intended actions by going to a city where he is not known. This lengthy trip will serve as a cooling off period. He is then told to dress humbly which should further serve as a reminder of what he should be doing compared to what he plans on doing. Rather than offering carte blanche permission to sin, the Talmud is suggesting a form of indirect rebuke to prevent the person from sinning [see Rashi in the name of Rav Hai Gaon and Chiddushei HaRan; Tosafot, Kiddushin 40a]. The desecration of G-d's name is a subterfuge to convince this sick individual to follow the path to health.


Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."


Because once you have the law placed before you, you lose the excuse of ignorance. The wages of sin is death …

According to the Scriptures, one who has never heard of the law is judged by God on his own merits of love and compassion. All who have heard the law, are judged by the law.



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It is quite simple, when one is not trying to prove a point against the Hebrew religion.


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