reply to post by dontreally
Hi Don’t Really –
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Come now,. do you REALLY believe (i.e. in your heart of hearts) all the genocidal nonsense you wrote in
your post back to me?
Why don’t you take a paleoHebrew course (and some Aramaic while you’re at it !) and learn what the Torah says for yourself, instead of relying on
others to do your thinking for you.
Who knows, you might actually LEARN something…now for starters…here are some nice tasty little biblical quotes for you to chew on.
If you REALLY think it is OK for persons who style themselves ‘Jews’ to exterminate ‘The Other’ but NOT OK for non-Jews to exterminate their
own versions of ‘The Other’, then you belong to a group of persons who represent a deranged & deluded Weltanschauung – and need to re-examine
your warped belief system…especially in the 21st century where there is no longer room for this kind of gross misanthropy.
Now read over these quotations from your so-called Holy Book a few times (in English, if that’s all you can read…) until the words begin to sink
in to your soul.
Let’s start with a reference to the ‘holy’ Torah command (see Exodus 17:7-13) found cited by the writer of 1 Samuel 15:3-8 ref: the
racial-genocidal orders from YHWH to exterminate ALL (not just some !) of the Amalekites - which he had Mosheh to swear to and set up a c-t-v
(statement in writing) to that effect ‘to be read into the ears of Joshua son of Nun…’
Exodus 17: 8-16
And YHWH said to Mosheh, Write this down as a Memorial on a Scroll and read it into the ears of Joshua son of Nun : Behold, I will Exterminate the
Seed (lit. ‘Remembrance’) of the Amalekites from Under the Heavens. Therefore Mosheh built an Altar to YHWH right there etc.
See also the genocidal mania in Deuteronomy e.g. in 7: 1-5 (part of the (un)-holy Torah)
When YHWH your clan god brings you to the land where you are headed to take possession of it, and has cast out the goyim before you even the Hittites,
and the Girga#es, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, even seven gentile nations that are
more numerous and powerful that you are now:
And when YHWH your clan god has delivered them, you shall utterly exterminate them all showing no mercy to them; neither will you make peace treaties
with them nor enter into marriage with them – for they will surely turn your sons from following me, and cause them to worship other clan gods –
thus will the anger of YHWH burn against you and destroy you without notice.
And also in Deuteronomy 13: 12-17a (part of the (un)-holy Torah)
12 If you should hear a rumour in one of the towns which YHWH your clan god will give you to live in, saying ‘I heard certain evil men taking some
of the town out encouraging them to worship other foreign clan gods which you have not yet heard of, you shall set up an Inquiry and if the acusation
is proved true that such a ritual Toqebah (‘cultic abomination’) has in fact taken place, you will utterly genocide all the inhabitants of that
town, utterly destroying the town and its inhabitants, even down to the animals – then you will gather together all of their belongings and utterly
burn the lot in the town square – and not take any of it for yourself, and leave it a perpetual Ruin, never again to be rebuilt.
And also in Deuteronomy 20: 10-18 (part of the (un)-holy Torah)
This is the Rule of War for the Towns of the Goyim which YHWH your clan god shall give unto you and your sons as an Inheritance – You shall leave
nothing alive that breathes, but you shall utterly exterminate every one of them, namely the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the
Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; exactly as YHWH your clan god has commanded you, so that they will not be able to teach you all of their
peculiar ritual Toq’eboth (‘taboos’, ‘cultic abominations’) that they perform for their own clan gods, leading you into sin against YHWH
your clan god.
Deuteronomy 25:17-19 (part of the (un)-holy Torah)
Now remember what Amalekites (lit. ‘Amalek’) did to you when you were sojourning out of the land of Mitzrayim : how they came upon you on the road
and attacked your rear guard, including the weakest ones in your camps, and how they showed no reverence for the Elohim (‘gods’) – therefore it
shall come to pass that when the land you shall be given by you own clan god YHWH is finally settled and becomes your Inheritance to possess, you
shall utterly genocide the Seed of Amalek (lit. ‘Remembrance’) from under the heavens – you will never ever forget this.
1 Sam 15:3-8 etc..
“Thus says YHWH of armies: I have not forgotten what Amalek did to Israel, how he laid in wait for him when they marched out of Mitzrayim. ‘
And he said to Saul the king [via an oracle], ‘Go now & utterly exterminate all the sons of Amalek – and genocide all of their descendants and
burn all of their possessions !
You will show NO MERCY to any of them – you are not to spare a single one of them: but you are to Annihilate every woman, man, child &toddler –
murder all their oxen, sheep, camels and asses and consume by fire all of their belongings...'
Then Saul approached the camp of the Amalekites and said to the Kenites, Get out of the Amalekite Camp, so that you won’t be genocided with them;
And when Saul won the battle over the Amalekites…and began the process of extermination and genocide against them, but decided to take the Amalekite
King Agag alive, then spared his life;
He then took possession of all of their flocks as war booty…and anything else of value in the camps of the Amalekites – but as to the rest of
their possessions which was of no value to him he had them all consumed in a ritual bonfire.
Then an oracle (‘debir’ = ‘word’) was revealed to Samuel, saying: “Behold, says YHWH, I now regret I have set Saul up as King - for he has
turned his back on me, and has NOT performed the strict Commandment of mine to utterly genocide ALL the sons of Amalek that I ordered [Mosheh] to
[So not only does the ‘holy’ Torah demand the racial genocide of certain groups, later writings spill ink to talk about what happens when YHWH’s
extermination policies are NOT carried out to the letter !]
Now read the warped Weltanschauung of the mad-prophet Hezekiel…
"Thus saith YHWH : You will utterly Exterminate them all, you will genocide them totally - both the old and the young, both virgins & married women
along with all of their children' those with the MARK on their forehead which are 'those who pray facing the East...'
How ‘bout a nice little GENOCIDAL PSALM for you to sing:
Psalm 137 - “By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion..when
our Tormentors asked us for Psalms for our Captors demanding songs of joy from us, and taunting us, saying: “Why don’t you sing us one of Zion’s
Psalms ?’ But how could we sing Psalms of YHWH while in the land filled with Goyim (i.e. Gentiles/non Jews) ?
O Daughter Babylon, you who have been Marked for Extermination:
Blessed is he who is able to repay you in full for what you have done to us !
Yea, blessed is the man who takes hold of all of your babies then bashes their baby-skulls against the rock cliffs !”
There's tonnes more of this overt xenophobic hatred of the goyim (i.e. Gentiles/non Jews, i.e. 99.999% of the rest of the world !) in the supposedly
'holy' scriptures of the ancient Judaeans and even some startlingly racist Zionist pig-nasties in the so-called New Testament (read Matthew chapter 15
a couple of hundred times to see what R. Yehoshua bar Yosef the Galilean Nazir had to say to that poor SyroPhonecian gentile who came to him for help,
only to be told to nafff off, actually calling her a 'dog' totally unfit to eat any of the children of the Kingdom's bread ! !)
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