As Aboriginal people, we already know who we are and why we are here, and so our quests and our interactions with the universe are different. Our
definitions of what constitutes life and intelligence, and other aspects of our complex cosmology, have a lot to offer western science in the future.
We only need to move beyond common conceptions of our cosmology as “myth”
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Before I launch into some intriguing accounts of potential experiences that westerners classify as UFO encounters and alien abduction experiences, I
need to highlight the difference between our perception of the unexplained and their shamanic cultural explanations.
Indigenous Australians can proudly claim the worlds longest surviving culture going back 65 000 years, a wonderful tapestry of consciousness that
lasted so long and we are only just catching up to in terms of cosmology and physics in western terms when revealing a small part of their
'dreamtime'. (dreamtime means their story telling but they have no past present or future differences)
I have often swayed from any extra terrestrial speculation on indigenous lore and rock art, as this is a white man interpretation on something we
know nothing about, and until my dear friend said to me " Whites call our ancestors ETS, but they are just our ancestors from the dreamtime, neither
is wrong, they come from the spirit place, from the heavens, and they exist their still, out of our time, our past is our present and our future, we
use the same word for soon, as we do for before"
In order to understand (slightly) their shamanic experience versus our explanations (the task is great and not possible unless you are part of that
Dreaming) we need a briefing on the cultural settings from which the "stories" emerged, and try NOT to apply our obsession with ETS and UFOs on this.
I can understand how we apply our understanding of their cosmology/lore as UFO/ET as the similarities are perplexing at times, however a shamanic
experience does NOT automatically describe a abduction or a flying saucer or a Benevolent ET imparting knowledge. We need to start with the Dreamtime,
and the best way to give you a door way to understand it from a different perspective given by a indigenous elder. "The shamanic experiences it is
easy for us to apply your technical explanations "oh it SOUNDS like a UFO, Oh it LOOKS like a astronaut suit" But these are OUR applications, they are
While this line of thought is suggestive of superior "sky beings" acting as cultural catalysts for primitive societies, I should point out that
making mythological component comparisons, can make for interesting exercises, full of emotive similarities, but are purely speculative.
Remember because they say came or went to the sky is not proof positive of aliens or ufo craft.
I highly recommend people read Bill Chalkers The Oz Files a great read and far more detail than I can provide here.
Indigenous "abductees" ?
The Australian aboriginal shamans "clever men" or "men of high degree" described "celestial ascents" to meet with the "sky gods" such as Baiame,
Biral, Goin and Bundjil. Many of the accounts of ritualistic initiation bare striking parallels to modern day UFO contactee and abduction lore. The
aboriginal shamanic "experience of death and rising again" in the initiation of tribal "men of high degree" finds some fascinating parallels with
modern day UFO abduction lore. At the turn of the last century, anthropologists Spencer and Gillen, in their book The Northern Tribes of Central
Australia (1904), provided a classic account of the extraordinary shaman genre. An aborigine, Kurkutji, was set upon by two spirits, Mundadji and
Munkaninji, in a cave: "Mundadji cut him open, right down the middle line, took out all of his insides and exchanged them for those of himself, which
he placed in the body of Kurkutji. At the same time he put a number of sacred stones in his body. After it was all over, the youngest spirit,
Munkaninji, came up and restored him to life, told him that he was now a medicine-man and showed him how to extract bones and other forms of evil
magic out of them. Then he took him away up into the sky and brought him down to earth close to his own camp, where he heard the natives mourning for
him, thinking that he was dead.
Pls note here I believe these are shamanic experiences and personally do not treat them as a abduction tale.
An Aboriginal woman possibly abducted in 1933 describes an extraordinary account
In 1933 an aboriginal woman who lived near the Great Sandy Desert, in Western Australia described a fascinating account of abduction that parallels
indigenous traditions of sky hero/god abduction.
Parallel Phantom Pregnancies alien implantation (Feather Foots)
In Rex Gilroy's account, the aboriginal woman claimed her tribe had been frightened off from Discovery Well when a "large shiny egg" suddenly came
down out of the sky. In broad daylight the strange object flew low over them. Several beings, described as strange, grey skinned and man like, came
out of the "egg". The woman said she was "stunned" by an object carried by one of the beings. Her story indicates she was carried aboard . Inside
the "egg" the interior was glowing. She was strapped to a shining table and apparently "experimented with". The woman told stockmen of her experience,
but perhaps not surprisingly they laughed at her.  This 1933 tale also anticipates the spate of UFO abduction tales that would virtually
domininate the UFO landscape by the 1990s. It was not until 1957 that the sexual abduction experience of Antonio Villas Boas from Brazil occurred. The
famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction story in the United States did not take place until 1961. Neither story was well known until the mid 1960s.
"feather foot" spirits (which do not walk on the ground, they walk in the air; they can move through walls and things....sound familiar?
Much like Dana Scully from the x files indigenous women of the deserts have stories of sexual contact with these "sprits that float" full term
pregnancies and no baby. Spirit babies...I place them in simple folk stories but they are worth mentioning.
Contact or Shamanic trance?
Star gate or abduction?
In about 1989 John's father-in-law, an aborigine, told him that when he was a young man (in about the 1930s) camping with a group of aborigines,
before the white man took them off their land, they saw a green light spinning around in the sky. It landed behind trees. Lots of little men shining
with green light came. They walked around the aborigines, looking at them, and then walked back to the UFO, which then took off.
"Amongst the powers of the Mara medicine-men is that of climbing at night by means of a rope invisible to ordinary mortals up to the sky, where he
can hold converse with the star people. " Eliade quotes A.W. Howitt's "The Native Tribes of South-East Australia", when he recounts the initiation of
a Wiradjuri medicine man: "We will go up to Baiames camp. He got astride of a Muir (thread) and put me on another, and we held by each other's arms.
At the end of the thread was Wombu, the bird of Baiame. We went through the clouds, and on the other side was the sky.
We went through the place where the Doctors go through, and it kept opening and shutting very quickly. My father said that, if it touched a Doctor
when he was going through it would hurt his spirit and when he returned home he would sicken and die. On the other side we saw Baiame sitting in his
As Bill Chalker points out we need to accept shamanic experience as valid and not apply simply a extraterrestrial abduction account even though for
UFOlogists the parallels maybe exhilarating.
Cigar shaped UFOs and cattle deaths reported C1828 in Aboriginal Communities
Because modern society has not recognised the utility of the shamanic experience in interpreting the significance of these contemporary "alien
visions", their percipients are seldom able to confront the possible lengthy tradition of their experiences. It should be said, however, many UFO
abduction researchers do not accept this interpretation and instead contend we are dealing with bonafide extraterrestrial abductors.
WINGEN MOUNTAIN was ostensibly named by local aboriginals as wingen (win -- burning, gen -- mountain) or wingen (meaning fire).
"Grandad used to say that it was cigar-shaped and had a funny silver colour. When it landed it set fire to all the vegetation and killed the cattle.
"The noise was dreadful and there was a series of loud bangs. Grandad also spoke of tall strangers appearing in town. They never said anything but
always pointed to the things they wanted. "Quite often people just disappeared and dogs and domesticated animals disappeared too.
We always thought that Grandad's stories were good but he knew they were true and never made light of them." Kisha did not indicate a date for the
events in Ted's grandfather's tale, but presumably its vintage would have to be at least contemporary with the first settler awareness of the burning
mountain back in 1828.
After watching Spielberg ET a 67 year old Aboriginal Woman recalled something she saw when she was 15 yearsol.
Man from the Moon lived in a Cave
She supplied a report to the Perth UFO Research Group which stated: "(In 1930 I was) sitting reading with my parents in a humpy, on a block in
Mandurah, in Greary Rd, by the light of a hurricane lamp, with the door partly open. The time (was) about 8 pm as we went to bed early.
"A little pink creature walked in. (It was) about 24 inches in height (with) large ears, big bulbous eyes, covered with a film, small hands, large
feet, slit of a mouth, no hair, and shiny as if wet or oily. "We were terrified and my father went white and being a religious man said it was the
work of the devil. "Picking up a prawning net, he picked it up in it and it made a noise like 'EE...EE' and my father put it outside.
We never saw it again and went to bed feeling very scared. This was in 1930 and I never thought any more about it until I saw a picture of 'ET,'
although only its eyes were the same. ... It did not have a round body, more straight down like a child's body. I cannot remember seeing any sex
organs... (It's shape was) like an elf."
A tribe maintains a man came from the moon. While on Earth he lived in the cave then left through a hole in the roof and returned to the moon.
Anthropologists, Spencer and Gillen, recorded in their 1899 study that the aboriginal men of the Aranda tribe in the southern portion of the
Northern Territory, believed that at one time the moon-man lived on earth.
The Ngatadjara tribe of the Warburton ranges, in central west of Western Australia, had a myth which described how a group of women, the Kunkarunkara,
were protected from the unwelcome attentions of the moon-man, Kula. Another variation, indicates they were being continuously pursued, and
occassionally raped, by Jula, a man of the constellation of Orion. The women, legend has it, finally escaped into the sky and became the Pleiades.
The Wandjina figures are strange, majestic creatures; to indigenous people they are powerful ancestors and very sacred Modern day UFOlogists tend to
go insane with claims these a re proof of alien visitation ( I decline to call them so Ill stick to calling them their sacred ancestors) Why the
hysteria? these "creatures" look like ....well aliens....
Another "Flying Egg that landed"
usually painted against a white background. An oval band encircles the face, except for a break at the chin, and from the outer edge of the head,
lines radiate out. They are often shown wearing a headband; eyes and nose form one unit; with lashes encircling both eyes, and they are rarely given a
mouth. The body, when there is one, is filled with parallel stripes down the arms and legs. Long lines coming out from the hair are the feathers which
Wandjinas wore and the lightning which they control.
From Arhem Land I have obtained the legend of a great silver bird which, according to local tribesmen, landed upon a certain plateau to lay a big
silver egg, out of which the first tribesmen hatched; they were white skinned. Around the Ayres Rock (Uluru) region local tradition has it that the
ancestors of the Aborigines came from the stars. The legend was related to me by Aboriginal actor-historian Ben Blakenley: -"Long long ago, far back
in the Dream Time, a great red coloured egg (spaceship) came down from the skies. It tried to land safely on the ground but broke (crash landed). Out
of it emerged white-skinned culture-heroes (gods) and their children.
"The children's elders soon died, either through their old age or because they could not accustom themselves to our atmosphere. The children however
were young and able to adapt more easily to their new surroundings. "They carved and painted the likenesses of their parents upon cave walls to
perpetrate their memory. In time the great red coloured egg rusted away until its remains had merged with the ground, thus creating the red soil of
Central Australia. "The children of the culture heroes who came from the sky grew in numbers until they eventually populated the whole land, their
skins turning black due to the hot climate. The cave art depicting the elders still survives showing figures in garments reminiscent of modern day
Parks Australia spokeswoman Mali Stanton said there was not anyone at Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park who could comment on the story.....Speculation.
The complex Aboriginal system of law and beliefs known as Tjukurpa is referred to in the national park plan of management.
Ancient MYTH creation similarities across the globe
The plan refers in part to the creation stories represented in rock art - without astronauts. "According to Tjukurpa, there was a time when
ancestral beings in the form of humans, animals, and plants travelled widely across the land and performed remarkable feats of creation and
destruction," it says. "The journeys of these beings are remembered and celebrated and the record of their activities exists today in aspects and
features of the land."
Correlations between ancient Greek Mythology and Aboriginal Australians Pleiades creation story.
One of the most memorable myths involving the Pleiades is the story of how these sisters became stars. Some versions of creation of the star system
talk about seven sisters who committed suicide because they were so saddened turned to Zeus who turned the sisters into stars in the sky. There these
seven stars formed the constellation known thereafter as the Pleiades.
The Pleiades also figures in the Dreamings of Aboriginals. The Pleiades are said to be seven sisters fleeing from the unwelcome attentions of a man
represented by some of the stars in Orion
On a final note "Being" can mean spirit/shamanic and does not automatically need to be classed as UFO/Alien. The Dreamtime is fascinating
enjoyed the read
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