reply to post by Cryptonomicon
Well the Bible influenced Western society. But western society didn't influence what's been written in there since before western society existed.
If anything, the west has added to it, and the countless dark ages myths created from it, all no older than the dark ages themselves, are clearly made
Even when comparing to thousands year old civilizations, it's essentially the same themes and truths
But let's go deeper. What makes them different?. Sumer, you can even trace how it itself changed it to its own beliefs!
Most beliefs in the world can be categorized by a few basic traditions. Indoeuropean, Classic Atheistic, Abrahamic, and of course, local tradition
(African, aboriginal, native american traditions). Every religion in the world can be traced to one or more origins from therein. The stranger part?
Even cultures separated by oceans, like the Maya and India, still show derivatives of the same lineage. It sounds crazy, but the Maya are in fact the
result of a mixture between Indoeuropean, and local traditions. Did you know that Maya and ancient India both have a very similar myth about warriors
holding lotuses with both hands and reclining while in the presence of sea monsters? Mexican tombs even have extremely similar "wheeled animals",
even though there was no invention of the wheel in the Americas.
Inevitably, one has to start tracing influences from them. Classic atheism seen in both Greece, and being the primary reason Buddhism was born, both
are linked with a rejection of the indoeuropean tradition. Thus classic atheism and indoeuropean are dynamically linked. Indoeuropean shares many
themes from Abrahamic and monotheistic ancient beliefs. This being a world tree, serpents as antagonists, and various other themes. But it's
relatively understood that the gods of indoeuropean tradition were very likely ancient kings and queens and priests whom worshiped each themselves. So
monotheism and hero worship are the two oldest religions on Earth. One being a worship of something unknown, the other being a worship of a single
person whom was known. Over time the hero worshiping generated pantheons of people, much like how Americans borderline worship a pantheon of founding
fathers. In fact the hero worship of Americans to their founders could very well be a good look at how the indoeuropean tradition began.
Thus we come to a simple fact. Men have only ever worshiped 3 things. An unseen god, an idol, or a leader. From this derives all myths.
There's plenty of parallels for many other religious texts. This "cultural creation" that often happens in local communities actually triggered
Islam to be formed, because they were becoming annoyed and disgusted at the corruption from people's own opinions. Thus they made their own religion,
established it, and after Muhammad died, they write it down. "Moe" made them promise not to write it down in his life time.
Similar actions were taken to ensure corruption did not occur elsewhere. Weather it be a small community of monks who learned it verbatim or a bunch
of heretics in the middle of no where keeping the texts well stored. If we look at, say, the biblical texts from Syrian heretics, people cut off from
the world since around 80 AD or so, their texts are the same written words that monks translated to English several centuries later.
The key here is redundancy. A freaking huge amount of redundancy. Tribals don't have redundancies. They are their own individual units with their own
individual beliefs and ways. Always shifting and changing, exchanging and trading beliefs and culture
I don't really see why motive would be out of the question. If at some point one tribe got angry at another, they could have taken their children and
changed their own myths to their own or something different and then let them back or keep them, either way, the cultural impact is there. Motives are
what drive all things. People simply do things for reasons.
From all this, one can state that politically, people change religion for gain in the indoeuropean tradition as well as the abrahamic tradition. But
the problem is, that text is always there, unchanged. Thus these changes barely ever last a few generations before losing popularity and the changes
in question being reduced to an offshoot of heretics living in an enclosure somewhere. Tribals have no such things written, thus when a change is
made, it's simply accepted, because the man in charge says so and nothing says otherwise.
There;s basically three types of religion in the world that have not changed much. The belief in a single God who destroyed an earlier civilization
and saved some of them for his own designs, the belief in a pantheon of gods whom fight each other, and a rejection of these for the design of seeking
personal truth and stability. These thre things simply do not change. Local traditions do however.
Thus, coming full circle, it's honestly very likely this story of moon men could very well be from either some overhearing of the 1969 event, or
perhaps even the sci fi of the century prior.
We can never know. But to trust it as something that definable happened, well, probably not wise.