Mary Rodwell is Australia’s leading authority on extraterrestrial phenomena, her son Chris Rodwell is a vet, a man of science and self-confessed alien skeptic – their relationship has reached a critical point and something has to give.
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Cryptonomicon

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Well the Bible influenced Western society. But western society didn't influence what's been written in there since before western society existed. If anything, the west has added to it, and the countless dark ages myths created from it, all no older than the dark ages themselves, are clearly made up.

Even when comparing to thousands year old civilizations, it's essentially the same themes and truths

But let's go deeper. What makes them different?. Sumer, you can even trace how it itself changed it to its own beliefs!

Most beliefs in the world can be categorized by a few basic traditions. Indoeuropean, Classic Atheistic, Abrahamic, and of course, local tradition (African, aboriginal, native american traditions). Every religion in the world can be traced to one or more origins from therein. The stranger part? Even cultures separated by oceans, like the Maya and India, still show derivatives of the same lineage. It sounds crazy, but the Maya are in fact the result of a mixture between Indoeuropean, and local traditions. Did you know that Maya and ancient India both have a very similar myth about warriors holding lotuses with both hands and reclining while in the presence of sea monsters? Mexican tombs even have extremely similar "wheeled animals", even though there was no invention of the wheel in the Americas.

www.shields-research.org...

Inevitably, one has to start tracing influences from them. Classic atheism seen in both Greece, and being the primary reason Buddhism was born, both are linked with a rejection of the indoeuropean tradition. Thus classic atheism and indoeuropean are dynamically linked. Indoeuropean shares many themes from Abrahamic and monotheistic ancient beliefs. This being a world tree, serpents as antagonists, and various other themes. But it's relatively understood that the gods of indoeuropean tradition were very likely ancient kings and queens and priests whom worshiped each themselves. So monotheism and hero worship are the two oldest religions on Earth. One being a worship of something unknown, the other being a worship of a single person whom was known. Over time the hero worshiping generated pantheons of people, much like how Americans borderline worship a pantheon of founding fathers. In fact the hero worship of Americans to their founders could very well be a good look at how the indoeuropean tradition began.

Thus we come to a simple fact. Men have only ever worshiped 3 things. An unseen god, an idol, or a leader. From this derives all myths.

There's plenty of parallels for many other religious texts. This "cultural creation" that often happens in local communities actually triggered Islam to be formed, because they were becoming annoyed and disgusted at the corruption from people's own opinions. Thus they made their own religion, established it, and after Muhammad died, they write it down. "Moe" made them promise not to write it down in his life time.

Similar actions were taken to ensure corruption did not occur elsewhere. Weather it be a small community of monks who learned it verbatim or a bunch of heretics in the middle of no where keeping the texts well stored. If we look at, say, the biblical texts from Syrian heretics, people cut off from the world since around 80 AD or so, their texts are the same written words that monks translated to English several centuries later.

The key here is redundancy. A freaking huge amount of redundancy. Tribals don't have redundancies. They are their own individual units with their own individual beliefs and ways. Always shifting and changing, exchanging and trading beliefs and culture


I don't really see why motive would be out of the question. If at some point one tribe got angry at another, they could have taken their children and changed their own myths to their own or something different and then let them back or keep them, either way, the cultural impact is there. Motives are what drive all things. People simply do things for reasons.



From all this, one can state that politically, people change religion for gain in the indoeuropean tradition as well as the abrahamic tradition. But the problem is, that text is always there, unchanged. Thus these changes barely ever last a few generations before losing popularity and the changes in question being reduced to an offshoot of heretics living in an enclosure somewhere. Tribals have no such things written, thus when a change is made, it's simply accepted, because the man in charge says so and nothing says otherwise.

There;s basically three types of religion in the world that have not changed much. The belief in a single God who destroyed an earlier civilization and saved some of them for his own designs, the belief in a pantheon of gods whom fight each other, and a rejection of these for the design of seeking personal truth and stability. These thre things simply do not change. Local traditions do however.

Thus, coming full circle, it's honestly very likely this story of moon men could very well be from either some overhearing of the 1969 event, or perhaps even the sci fi of the century prior.

We can never know. But to trust it as something that definable happened, well, probably not wise.

Originally posted by fooks
here is a little more on "dreamtime"

www.fortunecity.com...

The Makara Sisters This all happened at dreamtime, which was a different time. Before us was a dreamtime when time was different, and earth was different. There was a nothing, and then there was a something born from the nothing, and this was Numbakulla. Numbakulla was like a thought, like a light. Numbakulla moved through the nothing and dreamed. The dreams of Numbakulla grew into souls which he kept with him. Soon Numbakulla had many spirit children inside of him. Numbakulla continued to dream, and these dreams became alive with skin you could touch. These dream bodies were called tjurunga, they did not yet have souls. Numbakulla hid the tjurunga in caves across the world. One day Numbakulla placed a spirit child into a tjurunga and an achilpa was born. Soon he had made many Achilpa and they lived and thought and dreamed in caves and in valleys all over the world.

edit on 17-7-2011 by awareness10 because: (no reason given)

We begin the second half by examining another aspect of Australian Ufology: the history of organized UFO studies Down Under, including the fascinating story of Edgar Jarrold, the "father of Australian Ufology." Looking at the situation in America, where serious minded scientists at first supported UFO studies and then, following the Condon Report, backed away, we find out how closely that situation was mirrored in Australia. This leads to Bill telling us about how he was granted direct access to the Australian UFO files in 1982 and discovered nuclear physicist Harry Turner, who played a pivotal role in clandestine military investigations into UFOs. Bill shares a stunning story of how friction between US Air Force officials and Donald Keyhoe resulted in the derailing of the first official Australian investigation into UFOs during the mid-1950's.

Jumping back to organized UFO studies, we get Bill's opinion on the state of Ufology in Australia today. Bill explains how the situation has changed, as far as organized UFO groups, in Australia since the inception of Ufology there in the 1950's and '60's. He talks about attempts to create a national network of UFO groups in Australia and some of the roadblocks that arose that made such an enterprise difficult.

Getting a little bit wild, we find out what Bill knows about the longstanding rumours of an alien base at Mt. Zeil and/or the Pine Gap facility in Australia.
Following that, we look at the next big pillar of influence on Ufology in Australia: the media. Bill tells us about how the media coverage of the UFO phenomenon has changed over the years in Australia. Bill details his observation that there is a "dumbing down" process at work and not engaging the substantial nature of the phenomenon. He talks about some of his experiences working with the media in Australia. We then find out how extensive the paranormal media is in Australia as compared to in the US.

Tackling the last puzzle piece in the big picture of Australian Ufology, we discuss the perspective of the everyday public with regards to the UFO phenomenon. Bill details some interesting poll numbers that have surfaced in Australia with regards to belief in UFOs. Scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel, we discuss UFO skeptics, creatures that sadly exist in Australia as well.

topics discussed:
• we cover the history of Australian UFO studies from both a civilian and government perspective
• the fascinating story of Edgar Jarrold
• Bill's examination of the official Australian UFO files
• the media's coverage of the UFO phenomenon in Australia
• how the general public feels about Unidentified Flying Objects in the land Down Under
• the world of Chinese Ufology
• All that and, of course, tons and tons more

Originally posted by awareness10
This sounds similar to what the Original Unskewed version of what the Ancient Gnostics mention about Sofia after birthing the twins after leaving a place called Pleroma where a type of trial creations could be manifested, much like painting something without it having an effect on anything due to iit's non reality.

She was then being 'tricked' by the Egregore llike entity to make us Believe that We were real and this was really who we all were, but are not. This Entity was jealous of our Power, and thus, trapped us, which is about to end according to this account. The more You Think, the More you Create, however if you Stop Thinking, The Creating Stops also and Being that Wisdom cannot be trapped permanently Non reality will end. Upon death we simply awaken from slumber, or rather, the dream around us that we think is real,simply fades away.

Originally posted by fooks
here is a little more on "dreamtime"

www.fortunecity.com...

The Makara Sisters This all happened at dreamtime, which was a different time. Before us was a dreamtime when time was different, and earth was different. There was a nothing, and then there was a something born from the nothing, and this was Numbakulla. Numbakulla was like a thought, like a light. Numbakulla moved through the nothing and dreamed. The dreams of Numbakulla grew into souls which he kept with him. Soon Numbakulla had many spirit children inside of him. Numbakulla continued to dream, and these dreams became alive with skin you could touch. These dream bodies were called tjurunga, they did not yet have souls. Numbakulla hid the tjurunga in caves across the world. One day Numbakulla placed a spirit child into a tjurunga and an achilpa was born. Soon he had made many Achilpa and they lived and thought and dreamed in caves and in valleys all over the world.

edit on 17-7-2011 by awareness10 because: (no reason given)

think of what is said, how in the world can we even translate this?

this is way beyond a tech civilization like ours.

sounds very hindu to me.

or shiva or whoever.

we can't discount anything from a people we know has been around for at least 30k yrs in 1 place.

over and out, sorry.