The Jihad is in full swing, id say were already loosing. Religion of peace?

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D


So the reason muslims are attacking us is? maybe they are attacking us is that we are in their land bombing there homes killing their familys and we just hope they stand there and do nothing. and if the quran says kill any non muslims why have they only starting attacking now, let me guess your prbly gonna say they have only recently read the quran. man this is a joke i know it you know it. its very simple if a muslim person killing someone its all over the news "muslim man kills as a act of jihad" same with a black person but when its a white person or even a chrisitan person its just "man kills".

this kind of stuff has been going on for so long trust me a group of people are shown all around the world as crazy killers. the reason not evreyone has your views is they can see that the media is only given one side of the story.

you said you had many friends killed why is that? have they harm someone did you go and invade a country and kill someone? did you think that persons family member or friend you killed will just allow you to walk away? its simple the world says its ok to kill people in war even kids its not your fault, you had to do it blah blah blah but in fact its your fault you are over there killing people who havent harmed you.

Just stop think and listen. if you go asked a knowledgeable muslim scholar and not get your info from website which only show islam as the bad person then mayb just mayb you can understand Islam.

The Jihad has been "in full swing" for 1,400 years. Welcome to the slaughter.

reply to post by mehforfun


Well, there is mistake number one: never learn about Islam from a muslim. To learn about Islam study the military conflicts, not the ramblings of their "religious" leaders. One will quickly discover that no matter what time period one wishes to study or what place on the planet one wishes to look at, where muslims interface with non-muslims, there is violent Jihad. This is fact.

Second mistake is assuming Jihad is a defensive response to some perceived slight by the non-muslims. This is not so. Jihad is a mechanical process used to spread Islam, it is NOT a response to anything non-muslims say or do. Jihad is a process not a response. This is fact.

Islam is deception. It is a lie masquerading as holy. Islam is evil incarnate.

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D

For those of you that do not know, the Jihad is a pillar of Islamic faith in which ALL Muslims believe in, not just some crazy group of extremists. The Jihad is the world take over by Muslims, enforcing Sharia Law in all corners of the globe and to FORCE all people to convert to Islam.

Yes, many non inciting threads usually start off slandering an entire religion but "no offense" right?

Get some basic facts and maybe your butthurt will have merit.

Muslims use the word in a religious context to refer to three types of struggles: an internal struggle to maintain faith, the struggle to improve the Muslim society, or the struggle to defend Islam.

A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.

In western societies the term jihad is often translated as "holy war".

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I see lots of people complaining when someone posts a news clipping from an Israeli paper, calling it antisemitic. But this type of thread flourishes?

So us non Muslims consider Jihad to only refer to a holy war, which it doesn't. Then people like you distort that to mean Muslims conquering the world and stamping out infidels. Again, no basis in the texts, it's talking about the struggle to protect Islam against those who wish to destroy it. 3 guesses as to who that is in current times.

Then to say ALL Muslims practice Jihad. Not all sects of Islam even believe in Jihad, and those that do also have strict rules as to what a Muslim can and can't do. Like lying, or killing innocents, you know, stuff like that.

But don't let me confuse you with the facts, I'm merely driving by expressing my distaste and will not be following this crapfest

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


the true question would be who or what divides humans to make them so evil when deep inside we are not
why is war all we seem to be able to accomplish in all these years
could someone or something be keeping us at each others throats for their gain
both sides of any conflict think they are on the correct side why??
who is lying and using us against each other
if we as humans quit playing the game whoever is doing this will loose their power and maybe we could get a better game one with luxury for all young old black white brown purple
positive energy concentrated ion positive outcomes why do we all not just hug our children and refuse to go along
maybe i am just naive but i know that if i knew before vietnam what i know now i would not have willingly participated
no fear of anything will make us all better off

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D

muslim migration isn't irking me.. my parents immigrated to this country from Russia back in the 70's and were badly discriminated against for decades. Also like I pointed out I have Muslim friends.

That was in my Reply to BobAthome not you. You probably mis-understood me.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
Soldiers use God's name to keep them safe in battle, yet they're going out and killing his creations. These same religions will point to God's ten commandments, yet they go against the "I shall not kill" commandment. No where in that commandment does it say "I shall not kill but only in wars." Religions and governments justify war for their own gains and think God is backing them in battle.

Actually, it says, "Thou shall not murder", not kill. You kill in combat, you don't murder.

The last time I checked in the book of Exodus the commandment was "Thou Shalt not Kill." Maybe the word "kill" was changed later to murder to justify killing in time of wars. Either way the word "kill" or "murder" is like splitting hairs, they both mean taking of human life.

reply to post by mike_trivisonno


if that is true how did Malaysia become a muslims country did the muslims kill all the non muslims? if you did research and stay awy from anti islamic sites you might learn something.

the reason Islam spread was because they did many trades with other nations and became friends, they traded such things as food, gold, jade, slik etc and teached them many things like astronomy, medicine, science etc and ofc Islam. so before saying islam spread by war go do some research and try not to use websites that only spread hate.

Jihad is a process not a response. This is fact. ROFL and you know this how? have you speaken to any muslims scholars or even asked muslims who dont go around yelling kill all non muslims. It would be like me going to a KKK member and asking him what do you think we should do about the blacks? they would say kill them but does that make all christians hateful people? ofc not because its only a few brainwashed people.

Can someone fluent in the present situation , translate. I believe thats the U.S. ambassador to Syria,, in the back seat.
( A lot different than Teran Iran, storm the U.S embassy and take hostages during Ford admin.or is it a "made for U-tube moment" )

www.youtube.com...

I ran across an interesting article on Islam and The New World Order which gave me a possible insight . You can read the entire article at www.mediamonitors.net...

An interesting excerpt :
"To the "New World," and by default the New World Order, the Arab/Muslim world is backwards in its values. It prohibits abortion and birth control. They have large families, as opposed to the West, where the average family has only 2 children. It prohibits usury banking, to which the West credits its own economic superiority. Theirs is a "closed" society (read into this no sodomy, pornography, gay lifestyle, et al) Theirs is a "cruel" society (read into this-they do not have people on death row for 20 years) And finally, they will not play the game the way the market wants it played, meaning, they want a just price for their only real source of wealth, their oil, instead of giving it away to the West for a fraction of its worth. In other words, the picture that has just been painted here is, the Muslim world is now what the Christian world once was and should be."

Now, we all suspect from research that a "one world religion" will be proposed as one of the solutions for everlasting peace - e.g. Current religions such as Christianity and Islam will not be tolerated because they hold certain moral ethics that the NWO would not tolerate.

So it is my belief, among others, that 1) democracy must be brought to these countries so that the NWO can gain a societal foothold and 2) that Followers of Islam will most likely be used (via a false flag type event or a real one) to inadvertently assist the NWO by commencing a Jihad on the West, possibly against Christians.

Look how ten years ago many Western citizens bought into the belief that Islamists were all terrorists. Now, "leaks" are coming out laying blame with the Jews in Israel... It's got many people now defending Islam...'

I seriously think that we are all being played against each other. I hope that all groups - Christians, Muslims, Athiests, and those that would not accept any forced one world religion - would wake up to this possibility.

What's the saying? Divide and Conquer

reply to post by WeRpeons


actually "kill" in this commandment means ,, the same as,, "if a father where too say to his child,, "u are stupid,,,and will never amount too anything" that is the essence/spirit of the meaning of kill,, in the above commandement.
Or for instance,,, it can also apply to the attitude ,, You are a women,, and should not drive,,go to school,,etc,,

Originally posted by WeRpeons
The last time I checked in the book of Exodus the commandment was "Thou Shalt not Kill." Maybe the word "kill" was changed later to murder to justify killing in time of wars. Either way the word "kill" or "murder" is like splitting hairs, they both mean taking of human life.

It's generally accepted by scholars that the Hebrew word and context used indicate the intended meaning is "murder":

There are several strong arguments for the case that the sixth commandment should be translated as "Thou shalt not murder." First, the verb used in the Torah commandment is "ratsah," which generally is translated as murder and refers only to criminal acts of killing a human being. The word "kill" generally refers to the taking of life for all classes of victims and for all reasons. This generalization is expressed through a different Hebrew verb "harag."

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Back to the original topic, I'm surprised there's been such a negative backlash against the OP. He seemed pretty clear in that he wasn't bashing Islam, but rather he is trying to sound a warning that Islam is infiltrating western cultures from within. And he is right. We can argue whether it could be called "jihad" or not, but what is certain is that Islam is indeed attempting to take over from within. They have spread across Europe and their population is exploding whereas Europeans are having fewer and fewer children. And now they have America in their sights. Michigan has already been largely transformed by Muslim infiltration, especially Dearborn where police now shut down certain streets to car and foot traffic due to Muslims blocking the streets at prayer time. And we are letting it happen. Instead of defending our culture, we have become self-loathing apologists for our own culture! We are ripe for being invaded.

And the left wing political faction is joining hands with the invaders. Here's a blurb from a related article:

There’s another deadly trend obvious in England but making headway elsewhere in the West — the union of the left and radical Islam in the hate America campaign. The Townhall magazine article explains the seemingly strange but solid alliance between the left (including major segments of the Democratic Party) and radical Islam. To make the point the article quotes Michael Gove, a leading Conservative member of Parliament:
“The Left’s enemies are no longer primarily a system, capitalism and its agents such as big business. Instead the principal enemy is now the oppressive West and, in particular, The Great Satan, America and the Little Satan, Israel. The Crusaders and the Zionists … Antipathy towards America, like opposition to Israel, has become the touchstone of radical Left credibility.”
So America has to face the music and fight, as no matter what happens to Israel and other obstacles in the path to Muslim world domination, the final target has to be America. Like it or not, we are marked for subjugation and/or destruction.
If we are to win that war against radical Islam, we have to recognize we’re in a battle, which will not be won by retreat and appeasement. And we will not win if we do not believe in our own values and culture and if we do not try to end the hate-America, blame-America streak that is becoming all too common in our national life. Again, Mr. Gove struck a cord, also sounded by Mr. Steyn. He was speaking of the challenge facing Britain, but America and the rest of the West face the same challenge:
“Unless we retain the moral clarity to know that Western society, its freedoms and traditions, are worth celebrating, deserve to be emulated, and will benefit others by being adopted, then we will find them increasingly difficult to defend at a time of trial.”

More here.

To all those who keep posting verses from the Koran, don't bother. The vast majority of Muslims don't read it just like the vast majority of Christians don't read the Bible. Muslims are driven by tradition, not by the Koran. And if you keep an eye on the news you'll find that their traditional behaviour is despicable. Here's just one random example:

Four days after his children were allegedly forced to watch him being burned alive as his wife was raped, a 38-year-old Pakistani Christian father, died March 23rd. Muslims in the Punjab province of Pakistan, including the man's employer of five years and three police officers, allegedly burned him alive for refusing to convert to Islam. The European news website BosNewLife reports that the government investigating the death of Arshed Masih, who received third-degree burns over 80% of his body in the attack.

Following the attack, which allegedly took place in front of a police station, Masih's wife Martha and two children, 7 and 12, were evicted from the servant's quarters by his employer, Sheikh Mohammed Sultan. Sultan, an influential businessman, had accused Masih of theft and then assured him that he would drop the charges if the family converted to Islam. Sultan had pressured the family to convert prior to the accusation. After the accusation, Masih's family says the Christian tried to resign and leave, but Sultan insisted that he convert, or that neither he nor his wife would see their children again.

Initially, it appeared that no investigation of the attacks was planned. Punjab's Federal Minister for Minorities had orginally said that Masih "burned himself," and refused to say more on the subject.

The ex-Muslim site faithfreedom.org has said that the torture death of Masih is the latest example of a Muslim practice originally practiced by Mohammed, in which those who refuse to convert are killed, and their goods used to enrich those of the faith.

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This is not an exceptional story, it is a typical "Islamic justice" story you can read on nearly a daily basis. Don't take my word for it, spend some time with Google and see for yourself. Just to get you started try typing in "islam genital mutilation".

I'll close with a quote from Winston Churchill: "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile — hoping it will eat him last.”

reply to post by WhoKnows100


if we could all just meet and realize we are only strangers til we meet
soon everybody would see the game is just that make people feel just in their cause but as long as we play
they win we lose no one is any better than you
no one is any better than me
our children need deprogrammed from this reality to create the paradise that is already here
it will not be easy but can be done
just talk to every soul you come across and soon we are not really that different we want the same things
love peace freedom equality and justice
stop the game so our future is bright

reply to post by SavedOne


do not kill ,, except for god or country
when did any rational person accept that death and destruction were normal
this game was set up a long time ago by a very evil entity of some sort
i will not go to another war except when it comes here and than i will die for a cause mine
i do not blame the upset people of the world when my country seems determined to create chaos
but it is not the people of america that wish to believe that war is the answer
i do not have all the answers but i do know this evil is pulling the strings on both sides of this issue
i cannot remember a time without war can you?
wars are no longer fought to win or lose we all lose
who profits? that is where the built up anger needs to be directed
i will defend what little is left of my once great country til my last breath and bullet here no where else
if the humans of planet earth quit directing evil and corrupt practices at each other maybe we could live life
history has shown time and time again that religious leaders do not care for the very people they preach to
or they would not keep sending them to die over words in a book translated by men with agendas

An army.... conquers. An army kills innocent children, men and women who didn't asked to be conquered by weapons or violence...... This is war. This is not right....it is not good.

War is not created out of love for others. War is created for selfish reasons.

This is not a religious war....this is coming to a good vs. evil war and the good will prevail.

There are many Muslims who do not condone war...they want peace. There are fanatics everywhere.

I am not a religious person but I am a lover of Jesus words and this is what I try to live by. I wish others did as well because then my children would group up in a different kind of world. One that loves their fellow man and seeks to bring together not divide.

reply to post by iBleedSovietR3D


All the verses taken out of context.

Do you want to know what out of context looks like and how it works? Here, take a look..

You said "im directly attacking Muslims".

Case closed..

Everyone is capable of being annoying and a nuisance.

Your missing the entire point of the OP, kid the reason? The JIHAD. There have been two jihads in the past where huge amounts of the world were invaded and taken over. There are suppoaed to be three jihads with this one "the final and third" which is supposed to be succesful in world take over
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You have qbsoloutly the foggiest about the jihad. AND LIKE IVE SAID A HUNDRED TIMES BEFOE THIS THREAD ISNT ABOUT ISLAM ITS ABOUT THE JIHAD

reply to post by MamaJ


this is what everyone wants and needs religion needs to be personal not used to create misery
i have traveled a very long way to get here and am truly amazed at the hate in this world
if all people realized we are all 1the hate would vanish
hug a stranger and make a friend

Reading through some of these replies from muslim apologists, you would think that the OP was making this all up

According to moderate muslims, the definition of jihad is: the inner struggle, which is called the "The Greater Jihad", and the "Lesser Jihad", which is fighting a war in self defense or fighting oppression.

So, why does the OP think that jihad means "Holy War", and associates it with terrorism, suicide bombers and the like?

Well, don't we all think that? To most non-muslims it comes as a huge surprise that jihad is really a good thing - a spiritual struggle between ones self.

Thank you for putting us right on that!

So, is this a conspiracy by non-muslims who have hijacked the word "jihad", by taking away it's original peaceful and spiritual definition to give it a more sinister and aggressive definition?

Now when I see or hear anybody warning of a Global Jihad, I can just smile to myself and think, "Aw, Bless! Muslims all over the world, right now are having an inner struggle with themselves"