Rape Factories (Prisons in US)

Its sad, and people in on minor crimes should be better protected.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

No wonder why the neocon government in Canada wants to invest undisclosed amounts of funding into building new supermax prisons for "unreported crimes"

I almost blew my milk out of my nose when i read this part! Oh yes, we have it so bad in Canada! Please China, come take us away from our fascist Stephen Harper government!

Originally posted by jerryznv I will agree that child molesters and rapists themselves should be shown little mercy and for the most part they are not shown any at all

Those are 2 groups who should be segregated from the general prison population. The abuse is not part of their sentence.

U.S. Department of Justice knows what's going on and they've known for a long time. Now, are they gonna criminalize these prison guards? Of course not, they are too busy busting medical marijuana clinics and seizing online poker companies...

Now I know of three rapes from prison. One was a gay guy who could not decide whos cell he was going to sleep in that night because he was mad at his boyfriend. Well a metal drawer that night got him hauled out on a stretcher and his boyfriend a lifer simply moved to his next prison. Second was a young loud mouth gangster guy who learned brooms have many uses. So im not sure if thats really rape or just torture to create a attitude adjustment. The thrid was two officers in the tower who were dating one male one female. Well they broke up an ended up on the same shift in the same tower. I guess you know what happened there.

But as for rape in prison. There are the flaming gays in prison. The tie there shirts in knots in the front and swing there arm to the side and I guess thats how they get spending money and favors. They usually get raped every few months but like a prostitute on the street they figure its part of the business. And then you have the violent rapes which are more a weapon then a rape. They just want to make the guy whimpy. They see him acting tough and want to change him for life. The average inmate does not get raped. I did hear a long time ago the womens prison is a whole different ball game. Women on women attacks and guards on women for favors.

Originally posted by enament
Oops thought a person needed to be of age to watch that Jail interview about the guy talking about tossing the salad.
That video really gave me a vivid picture of how bad jails can really be,hell on earth for real!
Sorry for the violation.

I think I know that Interview your talking about, the black guy talking about tossing the salad. It was done during the early 90's as an HBO documentary on "Prisoner of the War on Drugs" at Rahway prison in New Jersey. The documentary was so sexually graphic that it shocked much of the HBO viewers. You can find that scene and other on youtube.

Originally posted by hoghead cheese

Originally posted by enament
Oops thought a person needed to be of age to watch that Jail interview about the guy talking about tossing the salad.
That video really gave me a vivid picture of how bad jails can really be,hell on earth for real!
Sorry for the violation.

I think I know that Interview your talking about, the black guy talking about tossing the salad. It was done during the early 90's as an HBO documentary on "Prisoner of the War on Drugs" at Rahway prison in New Jersey. The documentary was so sexually graphic that it shocked much of the HBO viewers. You can find that scene and other on youtube.

For some reason I thought since it was in a documentary that it was appropriate for me to show here and also since you need to be 18 to view it in the first place. I figured it would be alright. But it wasn't it cost me 500 Ats points to find out.Shame!

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Right. If you cant do the time dont do the crime the whole falicy of non-violent drug offender stuff is out of control lets say no drug offender is non violent have you seen the news in mexico lately? laws of prohibition may be wrong however if you knowingly do drugs and you know how and through whom it got here then you are simply complacent in the violence but just as guilty as the guys who killed x amount of people to get it here. take the money wasted and go to Portugal. Until then you abide by the laws of in which you live.

I know CO's who joke about housing inmates together because they KNOW one will be raped...mandatory death penalty for those CO's?

Those CO's are most likely (or should I say hopefully) pulling your leg to make their job seem comical. And if they let that happen I totally agree with you, they should be.
However, The Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA) was put in place by the feds (ya I know I know feds...eye roll, cringe, etc.) to protect these inmates (well actually it saves the Corrections Dept/ State $$$ if they comply)

"Failure by local authorities and operators of such facilities to comply with the provisions of PREA results in a 5% reduction in federal funding to that agency for each year they fail to comply"

As a CO, it is basically your responsibility to report any suspected or reported rape to supervisors and so on and so forth until the matter is resolved. Basically a "zero-tolerance" policy. The catch is that being a CO and failure to abide by this will mean big FED problems for you. This is why I say that your "CO friends" may be stretching reality.
A well run prison operates on a quay status: housing inmates together that are psychologically, emotionally, and physically similar. Each inmate receives a classification score when they are committed and are usually evaluated again every 3-6 mos. The drastically helps that the stronger, more aggressive inmate is not housed with a weaker more immature inmate.

Also, PREA stats maybe be a little misleading, some consensual sex acts in prison are reported under PREA for fear of failure to report.

PREA: en.wikipedia.org...
OOJ Stats on Prison Rape: www.ojp.usdoj.gov...

Source: I am a prison supervisor in the northeast (and I try not to be too jaded)

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Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by jerryznv I will agree that child molesters and rapists themselves should be shown little mercy and for the most part they are not shown any at all

Those are 2 groups who should be segregated from the general prison population. The abuse is not part of their sentence.

Shown little mercy and being subject to rape are two different things...I am simply pointing out that crimes of those natures do seem to morally fall into a category or there own.

I am not saying a rapist should be raped or a child molester should be raped...but I am saying they deserve little mercy...and for the most part that is what the get...little mercy!

Edit to add: Also mentionable I suppose...Nevada since my time in incarceration there has built and opened a prison just for the "special cases" like those that are pointed out above...I won't disclose the location in case members might have family or friends there...and of course the "special cases" are not always sex crimes.

Those inmates housed in the new facility are under a different "watch" so to speak and the general population is made up of like or similar offenders...segregation for their own safety...in the "old days"...an offender like I mention above was for the most part endanger of losing their life on the "old yards" and often times they did...so Nevada opted for a new housing solution...and the new prison was built. Now in South Dakota and in Wyoming that is not the case...however sex offenders are given special treatment and well protected by prison authorities...things have changed some since my first loop through the system...a bit for the better and a bit for the worse...depending on a persons perspective.

I have an extended family member who was in prison for 5 years and he said the whole thing is blown out of proportion. Yes, they happen. But it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Some people would have you believe that there are big, burly men who are so twisted and vile that they have absolutely nothing left on their moral compass. They're in prison, no doubt, but they are either not in the general population or they're in prisons set aside just for people like that. Charles Manson for example. People like that typically don't have sex on their minds. They've got bigger issues they deal with.

My personal belief is that I don't know one way or the other how bad it REALLY is and I never intend to find out. All I know is that if it is as bad as some people make it out be, then the animals are in charge of the zoo. And if that's the case, we have a bigger problem than man sex on our hands.

Yes, I feel sorry for the pot heads and other non-violents who don't belong there and who certainly don't deserve what happens to them if they do get raped. But understand one thing. We are not going change the way this system is, and there is certainly not an organization on this planet that can either. I'm not trying to be a Negative Nelly here, but let's get real. The only way this will ever change is if the human condition itself changes.

And even with all of the technological advances that we have, I don't see the human race evolving. I see it devolving. We have the greatest minds making extraordinary advances in the fields of technology, medicine and science, but as far as I'm concerned they mean next to nothing. If we made all these advances in the name of progress by way of improving the human condition, I'd be impressed. But we don't. We do it for for the patents, the real money and the grant money so we can continue making advances for........money.

It's all one big circle-jerk that the "brightest and wealthiest" are in, while Bubba rapes Johnny. I'm sorry that there are Johnny's in the world, that there are Bubba's in the world and that they have to meet sometimes under "special" circumstances. But there's nothing we can do about it until we apply the same type of knowledge that we use to find the part of our system that makes us age, and apply it in ways to where we can find, alienate and kill the parts of the brain that make some people violent animals.

If we do that, then maybe we will WANT to live longer.




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Originally posted by iSwag

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
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Whether or not you end up in jail or prison is not entirely within your control.

Keep that in mind.

 

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It's totally under my control. It's me who makes the decisions, inevitably choosing where I will go in my life....

Therefore I avoid those decisions that risk my freedom.

have you never heard of someone being proven innocent after spending years in prison/(dna or get the real bad guy proven) your eactly the person who should worry cuz in real court(not seen on tv) if your innocent you will find out your options are take a plea(say you did it) get a slap on the wrist pay some fines or HEHEHEHEH sorry to laugh plead not guilty and fight the system knowing if you lose you will get maximum everything especially jail time. there is nothing the system/judges hate more than someone claiming there innocent. go to criminal court and watch it some time. there open to the public. you wont see much of a costitution just a factory assembly line of plea deals going down. extra punishment for exersizing your constitutional right to a trial. well as long as cops/judges/d.a.s. arent curupt or wont lie and i have an extra 10 to 20 thousand dollars i wont be needing im totaly safe lolmao! seriously go watch it live sometime then maybe youll understand you shut up say you fell and get the f away from them. go on tell a jail gaurd other police officer your totaly innocent(even when you are) and the arresting officer beat you while you where in cuffs see what happens next! trust me say you fell and wait untill your out and then be aware the police can and will act like a gang, they may simply just make you aware of a little extra attention that could be a lot more. think your safe? all they need is for you to be found with a small amount of crack or child porn and by all they need i mean the opurtunity to plant it like a public arrest(even manufacured reason) and sleight of hand then you are in their custody. and fighting a steep batle uphill even when you are total innocent though im not saying there arent guity people but do you believe even in nerfania there a such thing as a 100% non corupt,100% correct there are millions of people in jail and even a small % of oopses is a huge number of actual innocent people in jail. we dont live in nerfania we live in a quasi police state with massive coruption never heard of a patsy thats when the police decide who did what to protect those that pay enough.

Originally posted by Boogeyman1976
So.....everyone is feeling sorry for these inmates? I work in a prison and we do everything we can to prevent this kind of stuff. Ever hear of the Prison Rape Elimination Act? I'm guessing most of you haven't. While I agree some crimes shouldn't necessarily get you put in prison, the reason things like prison rape happen is because you have a bunch of selfish, manipulative, degenerates in one place. They don't care about the well being of other inmates just like they didn't care about the well being of their victims. I'm not saying everyone in prison is crap, but work in one and you will quickly realize that most are and they won't change. Sorry if that is politically incorrect and rubs some people the wrong way, but the truth is the truth. Back in the day, most of these people would have been "taken care of" and they would no longer be a threat to innocent people, but as long as there are all these bleeding hearts, citizens will continue to be victimized by these people...if you can call them that.

Your jaded attitude and distorted rationalizations are a clear indicator that you do in fact work in a prison. When you put all sorts of people together.. from innocent people, to white collar criminals, petty thefts, drug use, rape, murder, assault... it will be the violent criminals that do most of the manipulation and violence in prison against those that are not as likely to fight back, or who can't win in a fight.

If you were in prison for non-violent theft.. and another man was in prison with you for attempted murder... if he raped you .. then I the prison guard should not care because you are both selfish degenerates?

Please quit your job immediately. You are not fit to work in your occupation. There are too many prison workers and prison guards with similar views as you who have created a work culture that allows prison rape and prisoner abuse to flourish. If more prison workers came forward a longer time ago to present evidence and made a fuss then this problem would have been taken seriously awhile ago.. instead of just recent government interest.

I am not familiar with america's prison system

In Canada, if you commit a crime that is 2 years less a day, you will serve in a provincial prison

If you are sentenced to 2 years plus a day, you will serve out your time in a federal prison

The issue of being raped, liek homosexual rape occuring in a provincial prison is very small, almost nil. The reasons are obvious, as who is raping people when there in jail for under 1000 days?

So the guys going for 3 days and getting raped is just wack, do they jsut throw everyone in the same prison? lol

America is messed up for sure

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Each prison is different, each region of the country has different jails and prisons, even inside the prisons there are different areas that are more or less conducive to prison rape. Your relative being in a single place for 5 years doesn't mean much. Was he in a work program? What was the prison population.. did people seep in cells.. or did they sleep on bunk beds in a huge auditorium with no cells?

It's not blown out of proportion, it's under-proportioned. It's not however as though every other person in prison wants to rape you.. there will be a smaller handful of individuals that do.. and they will come at any new guy if they think they have a chance to or if they want to. It's these few individuals that will do it repeatedly and to different people.

If you are a big man, or an older man you are not likely to be raped.

If you are a scrawny white kid in a southern prison that's so overcrowded everyone sleeps in a big gymnasium you are quite likely to be singled out by that small number of individuals that like to rape.

Originally posted by WeRpeonsOur prison system needs a major overhaul. Too many violent criminals are mixed in with non-violent criminals. I really think the system needs to evaluate every criminal before they place them in a particular prison setting.

Criminals who commit heinous crimes should be locked-up together. Let them fend for themselves since they committed terrible acts against their victims. Maybe than they will understand what they did to their victims before they died.

Actually, I agree with you here - I had a dog once I rescued who was a sweet thing for like 3 years then took to killing goats on the farm. Conventional wisdom is that once the animal (and men are animals) gets a "taste" for the blood of its victims it is next to impossible to rehabilitate. If you keep it around you either have to watch it 24/7 or chain/pen it up which on one part is cruel for the animal and on the second part an undue burden on the farmer who has other things to spend money and time on.

This is an analogy for out prison system, The hard case violent offenders are mostly unredeemable and evidence seems to support that the very expensive practice of locking them up with men just like them doesn't result in any type of rehabilitation at all - in fact it seems to make them worse as they must compete in the "system" of hard cases for survival making them even more violent and honing their criminal instincts even further. I recommend that we euthanize them just like we do violent dogs - it's more humane and a lot less costly to the taxpayer.

Then I think all the non-violent prisoners who pretty much assume the role of victims in prison to the really hard cases and because of that status become bitter, angry and have to resort to honing their predatory and violent survival mechanisms might if left to their own devices in a humane and productive environment become rehabilitated.

Rape, sexual predators, murderers, armed robbers, kidnapers, and any who should be convicted of an attempt or conspiracy to commit such should get the death penalty - if so there would probably be a lot less of it. There are probably some I left out.

Then at the top tier of inmates would be those in for assault - the men and women who have some violent but no lethal tendencies could be watched closely and even helped with some counseling while the rest of the criminals of various lesser types could do hard labor for their terms perhaps moving to a more dorm like environment as they near reintegration to see how they deal with the extra ropes of freedom.

I personally see no reason to keep hardened criminals alive indefinitely on our dime it is both cruel for them (which some might consider fitting) and costly for the taxpayers. I say in this case I'd rather lean towards the more fiscally responsible.

I dont think anyone should be jailed over marijuana, i simply find it ridiculous.
Even more so when people think people should be jailed over marijuana, its really sad.

Originally posted by Drezden
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Each prison is different, each region of the country has different jails and prisons, even inside the prisons there are different areas that are more or less conducive to prison rape. Your relative being in a single place for 5 years doesn't mean much. Was he in a work program? What was the prison population.. did people seep in cells.. or did they sleep on bunk beds in a huge auditorium with no cells?

It's not blown out of proportion, it's under-proportioned. It's not however as though every other person in prison wants to rape you.. there will be a smaller handful of individuals that do.. and they will come at any new guy if they think they have a chance to or if they want to. It's these few individuals that will do it repeatedly and to different people.

If you are a big man, or an older man you are not likely to be raped.

If you are a scrawny white kid in a southern prison that's so overcrowded everyone sleeps in a big gymnasium you are quite likely to be singled out by that small number of individuals that like to rape.

I'm not seeing how your explanation is driving home the fact that this problem is under-proportioned, except to say that YOU PERSONALLY have a problem with it. That 1 rape is 1 rape too many and that it MUST STOP THIS INSTANT!!!

To say that the majority and the stronger pick on the minority and the weaker, is not pointing out a problem that is out of control. It's called human nature. It's called survival of the fittest and we as a collective human animal have been doing that since we started walking upright.

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No, that's not the case. My nephew's father is the warden of our county jail where I live. He told me any crime committed like burglary or possession will always serve time in the county jail. If they committed a crime with a weapon, murder, rape or any other violent crime they are sent to a federal prison. I'm not sure, but I also think if it's a 3rd offense they are than sent to a federal prison.

A short jail sentence will also be served in the county jail.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
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No, that's not the case. My nephew's father is the warden of our county jail where I live. He told me any crime committed like burglary or possession will always serve time in the county jail. If they committed a crime with a weapon, murder, rape or any other violent crime they are sent to a federal prison. I'm not sure, but I also think if it's a 3rd offense they are than sent to a federal prison.

A short jail sentence will also be served in the county jail.

Your location in you avatar says your in the U.S. so I am going to guess that is where you are at. So the information your providing is not correct for the U.S. jail and prison system...sorry to point that out.

The only way you will be sent to a federal prison...the only way... is if you are convicted of a federal crime. Ex-felon in possession of a firearm...federal crime...go to federal prison. Any conviction at the state level that results in a prison sentence...and you will go to a state prison (provided the sentence is not suspended for probation or some other alternative sentencing).

All states differ a bit on county jail time and such...usually however any sentence that is less than a year and one day can...and for the most part is served in county lock-up.

As far as a third offense anything...it still does not matter...if your not convicted at the federal level you are not going to a federal prison...third convictions have nothing to do with it.

Federal conviction = Federal prison

State conviction = State prison

County jail sentence = county jail