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Why is abortion illegal for men but not women?

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posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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I was against abortion, but if that kid hadn't been born. I would be where my mother was when she had me as a teen, unable to care or feed for her child. Couldn't give me meds when I was sick. In her care I almost died from a rare strain of ecoli.


So your solution is to kill the child before it even has a chance.

yes...that makes all logical sense



For the record when my gf was preg, I wanted to be a dad. I can honestly say that and was denied but I've had time to realize, I would have been a #ty parent, cause neither of us were ready, or even had money.


You don't need money to love a child.


If you raise a kid, and are. Doing it broke, no food, meds, or even shelter that Is your own. then I can honestly say that person shouldn't have kids. Does this make me heartless, for wanting to bring a kid into a horrible life.


It makes you an elitist, and it makes you think money is the root of happiness.

Maybe we should just sterilize all those bothersome poor people...hey...maybe we should just kill the poor people themselves...they are just a scourge on society.




posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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I will not post the images directly on here because the images are graphic... but a 8 week old fetus is not a bunch of cells! It has fingers, toes and eyes just like us!


But they have to convince themselves it is just a clump of cells...otherwise they admit how demented their thought process is.

People lie to themselves to justify their actions and beliefs...I believe another group of people did that as well when they looked the other way while others killed jews for being inferior.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by celimonster
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Articles like this bother me. The man has no problem putting his penis in the womans vagina, knowing the consequences of his actions. The child isnt asking to be born. Only because the man chooses to be a coward and run away the child has to suffer? What im basically saying is TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS. The woman didnt get herself pregnant. Oh and if the woman doesnt feel like she can take of a child a man has no right to tell her to keep the child. In the long run she might abuse the child, abandon the child ,etc so many things could go wrong with an unwanted child. A single mother goes thru hell just because the father refuses to help. I mean if you dont want a part of being a family then fine, bur at least help to ensure your flesh and blood has the necesities in life to survive. (food, clothes etc).


Where is the woman's responsibility in this?

If a couple gets pregnant, its "We are having a child!!!"

If a pregnancy happens in a consensual one night stand, its "HE got me pregnant"

(BTW, I'm a single mother of 3; I just know how to step outside the box and know when things are not fair)



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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How am I expressing ego of any kind? How am I sexist?
How is it sexist, if saying men don't have a say in abortion? If a woman wants an abortion, and the man wants her to keep it. Where does it lay? Is it sexist, to preserve that woman's rights, and not abide to the males wishes?

No it's her choice, and her choice alone, she can ask the man for an input, and he can express his opinions, but in the end it's her choice and if you think that's sexist, then your retarded. I can't put it any nicer.

Logically women are hosts and men are seed. That is the biological way of saying it, am I not catering to your needs? Would you prefer gods creations instead?

Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes, before you start judging them.

Ok let me state this plain and simple so there is no more confusion.
If your raped, a kid would only remind you of that pain
If your severely poor and cannot afford to take care of yourself, you shouldn't have kids.

If your dying of aids or HIV, you shouldn't have kids, if your having a kid with your cousin you shouldn't have kids.
IF YOUR ABUSIVE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE KIDS PERIOD!!!!!

If you have a job, that's a start. At least you can pay for the food and clothes your kid will need.


So many people have been bashing me, because this is my opinion.

Tell me, what would you do in those situations? Would you judge them so harshly if it was a friend or family member? No you'd probably side with them, cause most human beings (especially men) have double standards

So to say, you want a bring a kid in the worst conditions says your a horrible person, for allowing that kid to suffer, you make me spit in disgust.

We can argue all day, but does that make either of us right? No, a abortion is necessary pending on the situation that has occurred.


Seriously ats is retarded, I state my opinions on any thread, I get called a monster, an elite agent or misinfo bs. Seriously can you people not accept the fact, that my opinion is different than yours? Sending personal messages of how much you hate me isn't going to change it either.

Yes I'm for abortion in certain situations, and yes I'm anti-religious, but does that make me a bad person? No it doesn't and if you think it does, you need to reevaluate what your priorities are



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by celimonster
reply to post by CobraCommander
 



Oh and if the woman doesnt feel like she can take of a child a man has no right to tell her to keep the child. In the long run she might abuse the child, abandon the child ,etc so many things could go wrong with an unwanted child. A single mother goes thru hell just because the father refuses to help. I mean if you dont want a part of being a family then fine, bur at least help to ensure your flesh and blood has the necesities in life to survive. (food, clothes etc).


Not all single mothers go through hell! There are lots of single mothers who are doing just fine on their own.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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The man has no problem putting his penis in the womans vagina, knowing the consequences of his actions. The child isnt asking to be born. Only because the man chooses to be a coward and run away the child has to suffer? What im basically saying is TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR ACTIONS.


Yes...I agree, everyone should take responsibility for their actions. You shouldn't be a coward and try to skirt your responsibilities after you have made the decision to have sex knowing one of the outcomes may be pregnancy.


Oh and if the woman doesnt feel like she can take of a child a man has no right to tell her to keep the child. In the long run she might abuse the child, abandon the child ,etc so many things could go wrong with an unwanted child. A single mother goes thru hell just because the father refuses to help.



Wait...WTF...you just completely contradicted everything you just said.


Can you not see your hypocrisy???



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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It makes you an elitist, and it makes you think money is the root of happiness.

Maybe we should just sterilize all those bothersome poor people...hey...maybe we should just kill the poor people themselves...they are just a scourge on society.




Uhhhh......Yes. We do need to sterilize poor people ( who cannot take care of themselves). Why keep producing when you are not able to properly care for the child? Oh, the government will take care of them...

Technically, that IS a burden on society.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Anthony1138
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Finally common sense. I've been trying to tell these people that, but they turn opinion sharing to bashing an individual,

My mom was a single parent, with two kids. She couldn't do it, she lived on welfare, wasn't enough food for all three of us, so we took turns having meals, one day its my brothers, another it's me then my mom. With a week, we got two meals.

This is why I'm for abortion for people who cannot care for their kids, cause then they other grow up Fu*ked in the head, or have a disattachment for others.

The developing years of a child are super sensitive, one wrong move, and your kid is a sociopath. The ones that can get away from those problems, learn from those mistakes.



So you are saying you and your siblings should of been aborted?

Is your life really that horrible that you think you should of been aborted?



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by inanna1234
 



I will not post the images directly on here because the images are graphic... but a 8 week old fetus is not a bunch of cells! It has fingers, toes and eyes just like us!


But they have to convince themselves it is just a clump of cells...otherwise they admit how demented their thought process is.

People lie to themselves to justify their actions and beliefs...I believe another group of people did that as well when they looked the other way while others killed jews for being inferior.


Ya because biologically it's not a bunch of cells! Pictures don't lie, it's a real baby! It's sad that people could just murder their offspring like that. It goes against nature to kill your own child. Most animals even will do whatever they can to protect their off spring.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by Anthony1138
reply to post by NadaCambia
 


How am I expressing ego of any kind? How am I sexist?
How is it sexist, if saying men don't have a say in abortion? If a woman wants an abortion, and the man wants her to keep it. Where does it lay? Is it sexist, to preserve that woman's rights, and not abide to the males wishes?

No it's her choice, and her choice alone, she can ask the man for an input, and he can express his opinions, but in the end it's her choice and if you think that's sexist, then your retarded. I can't put it any nicer.

Logically women are hosts and men are seed. That is the biological way of saying it, am I not catering to your needs? Would you prefer gods creations instead?

Try to put yourself in someone else's shoes, before you start judging them.

Ok let me state this plain and simple so there is no more confusion.
If your raped, a kid would only remind you of that pain
If your severely poor and cannot afford to take care of yourself, you shouldn't have kids.

If your dying of aids or HIV, you shouldn't have kids, if your having a kid with your cousin you shouldn't have kids.
IF YOUR ABUSIVE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE KIDS PERIOD!!!!!

If you have a job, that's a start. At least you can pay for the food and clothes your kid will need.


So many people have been bashing me, because this is my opinion.

Tell me, what would you do in those situations? Would you judge them so harshly if it was a friend or family member? No you'd probably side with them, cause most human beings (especially men) have double standards

So to say, you want a bring a kid in the worst conditions says your a horrible person, for allowing that kid to suffer, you make me spit in disgust.

We can argue all day, but does that make either of us right? No, a abortion is necessary pending on the situation that has occurred.


Seriously ats is retarded, I state my opinions on any thread, I get called a monster, an elite agent or misinfo bs. Seriously can you people not accept the fact, that my opinion is different than yours? Sending personal messages of how much you hate me isn't going to change it either.

Yes I'm for abortion in certain situations, and yes I'm anti-religious, but does that make me a bad person? No it doesn't and if you think it does, you need to reevaluate what your priorities are


I'm not reading all that drivel. The problem is that you're a lunatic. You're a megalomaniac who thinks your ego and "rights" as a woman are more important than that of your baby.

I mentioned earlier, I own a cat. Do I have any moral or ethical right to shoot it in the head? It's mine, I own it, legally. I figure I can't afford to care for it and don't want it, so I'm gonna shoot it in the head. Is that right? NO! It's disgusting and abhorrent. Abortion is also disgusting and abhorrent(barring extreme circumstances) and should be shunned by all caring and ethical human beings.

But you're so bigoted and caught up on this woman's right nonsense that you don't even stop to consider the ethical argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Anthony1138
 


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It makes you an elitist, and it makes you think money is the root of happiness.

Maybe we should just sterilize all those bothersome poor people...hey...maybe we should just kill the poor people themselves...they are just a scourge on society.




Uhhhh......Yes. We do need to sterilize poor people ( who cannot take care of themselves). Why keep producing when you are not able to properly care for the child? Oh, the government will take care of them...

Technically, that IS a burden on society.

So should we start sterilizing teenagers and college kids first? In my Country if you make less than 30 000 a year your poor. I think a lot of highschoolers would fit in this category so let’s start with them!



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Who are you to say what is logical and what isn't? Everyone has a different viewpoint. I do not judge you for your opinion, so why do you judge me?


I only follow the rules of logic, I don't create them. And you are saying a lot of illogical things.

The reason I judge you is because you think it is ok to kill babies. You also think you should be able to decide who should and should not be able to reproduce.

I have to ask...are you on the list of those that should or shouldn't reproduce???


No life is perfect, that's not the point, every time I declare the point, you go a little to the left, twist it a bit. To make me look like a bad person for having an opinion that isn't yours.


You are looking like a bad person because you are not only supporting abortion, you are advocating it as a means to not dumb down the species or to keep those that you think are not desirable limited.

You are an elitist...and like most elitist...I don't think you meet your own standard.


But regular handicapped have the right to live, if they can so basic functions. However, they shouldn't ever reproduce. Don't dumb down the species now.


Anyone else on your list who should be allowed to reproduce???



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by inanna1234

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Anthony1138
 


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It makes you an elitist, and it makes you think money is the root of happiness.

Maybe we should just sterilize all those bothersome poor people...hey...maybe we should just kill the poor people themselves...they are just a scourge on society.




Uhhhh......Yes. We do need to sterilize poor people ( who cannot take care of themselves). Why keep producing when you are not able to properly care for the child? Oh, the government will take care of them...

Technically, that IS a burden on society.

So should we start sterilizing teenagers and college kids first? In my Country if you make less than 30 000 a year your poor. I think a lot of highschoolers would fit in this category so let’s start with them!


What buttercookie doesn't understand is that if you kill all the poor people, a new generation of poor people break away from the current rich people. In Capitalism there must be a majority of poor and uneducated to exploit for there to be an upper class rich society. You could kill all the poor people tomorrow and the poor would regenerate. Because the rich NEED poor to exploit and profit from. Without the poor there is no massive profit or riches.

The poor are holding nobody back. The rich owe their lives to the poor, actually.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by inanna1234

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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It makes you an elitist, and it makes you think money is the root of happiness.

Maybe we should just sterilize all those bothersome poor people...hey...maybe we should just kill the poor people themselves...they are just a scourge on society.




Uhhhh......Yes. We do need to sterilize poor people ( who cannot take care of themselves). Why keep producing when you are not able to properly care for the child? Oh, the government will take care of them...

Technically, that IS a burden on society.

So should we start sterilizing teenagers and college kids first? In my Country if you make less than 30 000 a year your poor. I think a lot of highschoolers would fit in this category so let’s start with them!


Good idea! Why not?

But in my opinion, welfare recipients should TOTALLY be sterilized first...no need for continued reproduction until they are able to sustain themselves.

I have been a welfare recipient. I honestly wished that I wasn't able to reproduce while on assistance, but I did.

It made for a very miserable life those years.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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No killing poor people is inhuman, the current governmental system allows rich and poor classes. When everyone should be equal, thus no child would go hungry, or sick. The real problem is our economy and how the government is running things.

Communism without dictatorship kinda like socialism, and they are good things. The only ones against them are people brainwashed by fox news (it's not news it's propaganda) they shove their ideas down your throat, and because it's on tv you don't question it.

My point being, if we were able to reshape our political system, no pointless wars and spendings. A resource based economy, where everyone pitches in a little and gets their weekly meals,shelter water etc.

Like welfare, minus no money. Just resources people need to survive. Once a system like that is set everyone can have the kids they want, rather than worrying about their next meal, or picking between rent and food.

Don't take this out of context, I'm tired of bickering with you. You just twist anything (like fox) to make it fix with their idea.

You seem to dub me as enemy, here is what you want hear.
I am god, poor should die, long live the elite. I am an alien trying to help your species survive, and grasp reality.
I comment on ats because it's my job, I work for tptb, and I'm here to convince you, to abandon your opinions and beliefs and join the world government.

All of that is complete bs, but hey I tried to lower myself to your way of thinking. But I can twist that to be real.
I am the god of my destiny, poor always die, as do the rich. The elites in halo reach are super tough to kill especially on legendary. In a sense I am an alien, so are you. We are aliens to outsiders,are we not? I comment on ats because I have nothing better to do. I'm currently unemployed because Canada's job market has been dying. The tptb are just rich and powerful people that don't actually work together or know what the other is doing.
I'm here to share my opinions, as you do yours, and a world government would be pretty sweet, no wars or boarder disputes.

Anywa back to abortion, if you have a job (any kind of job) then you can probably support a kid, my point was the jobless people living on welfare having kids, shouldn't have kids



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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It's hilarious that you have 1984 as your avatar...most people look at that book as a warning.

But if you want to sterilize the poor...I think you look at it as a handbook.


So...who gets to be in charge of deciding who should be able to reproduce?

I have a suggestion...let's sterilize all women who have an abortion...because they are obviously poor choices for motherhood. Do we agree?



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by inanna1234

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Anthony1138
 


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It makes you an elitist, and it makes you think money is the root of happiness.

Maybe we should just sterilize all those bothersome poor people...hey...maybe we should just kill the poor people themselves...they are just a scourge on society.




Uhhhh......Yes. We do need to sterilize poor people ( who cannot take care of themselves). Why keep producing when you are not able to properly care for the child? Oh, the government will take care of them...

Technically, that IS a burden on society.

So should we start sterilizing teenagers and college kids first? In my Country if you make less than 30 000 a year your poor. I think a lot of highschoolers would fit in this category so let’s start with them!


Good idea! Why not?

But in my opinion, welfare recipients should TOTALLY be sterilized first...no need for continued reproduction until they are able to sustain themselves.

I have been a welfare recipient. I honestly wished that I wasn't able to reproduce while on assistance, but I did.

It made for a very miserable life those years.


But isn't the whole basis of welfare designed to be temporary? So if a woman needs welfare for 3 months to leave an abusive husband, she should be automatically steralized? Even when she pays back the 3 months of welfare in taxes at the end of the year?



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
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It's hilarious that you have 1984 as your avatar...most people look at that book as a warning.

But if you want to sterilize the poor...I think you look at it as a handbook.


So...who gets to be in charge of deciding who should be able to reproduce?

I have a suggestion...let's sterilize all women who have an abortion...because they are obviously poor choices for motherhood. Do we agree?


And the men who agree with forcing women to abortion! Can't forget them



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Anthony1138
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


No killing poor people is inhuman, the current governmental system allows rich and poor classes. When everyone should be equal, thus no child would go hungry, or sick. The real problem is our economy and how the government is running things.

Communism without dictatorship kinda like socialism, and they are good things. The only ones against them are people brainwashed by fox news (it's not news it's propaganda) they shove their ideas down your throat, and because it's on tv you don't question it.

My point being, if we were able to reshape our political system, no pointless wars and spendings. A resource based economy, where everyone pitches in a little and gets their weekly meals,shelter water etc.

Like welfare, minus no money. Just resources people need to survive. Once a system like that is set everyone can have the kids they want, rather than worrying about their next meal, or picking between rent and food.

Don't take this out of context, I'm tired of bickering with you. You just twist anything (like fox) to make it fix with their idea.

You seem to dub me as enemy, here is what you want hear.
I am god, poor should die, long live the elite. I am an alien trying to help your species survive, and grasp reality.
I comment on ats because it's my job, I work for tptb, and I'm here to convince you, to abandon your opinions and beliefs and join the world government.

All of that is complete bs, but hey I tried to lower myself to your way of thinking. But I can twist that to be real.
I am the god of my destiny, poor always die, as do the rich. The elites in halo reach are super tough to kill especially on legendary. In a sense I am an alien, so are you. We are aliens to outsiders,are we not? I comment on ats because I have nothing better to do. I'm currently unemployed because Canada's job market has been dying. The tptb are just rich and powerful people that don't actually work together or know what the other is doing.
I'm here to share my opinions, as you do yours, and a world government would be pretty sweet, no wars or boarder disputes.

Anywa back to abortion, if you have a job (any kind of job) then you can probably support a kid, my point was the jobless people living on welfare having kids, shouldn't have kids


I agree with this, as you can see in my post.

People tend to think that is being inhumane. Its being in humane when people who cannot sustain themselves or anyone else keep reproducing, just because they can.

People also look at this point of view and see it as population control, something that I agree that we do need.

They say they don't want any government telling them what they can and can't do with their body. Somethings need a lil control, tho.

At best, reproduction should be REGULATED.



posted on Jun, 1 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by ButterCookie
 


It's hilarious that you have 1984 as your avatar...most people look at that book as a warning.

But if you want to sterilize the poor...I think you look at it as a handbook.


So...who gets to be in charge of deciding who should be able to reproduce?

I have a suggestion...let's sterilize all women who have an abortion...because they are obviously poor choices for motherhood. Do we agree?


I chose the avatar when I was anti NWO......but its still a cool pic.

If I knew how to change it, I would....and I will.



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