Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story', page 49
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reply posted on 20-6-2011 @ 04:00 AM by Leonardo01
reply to post by balanc3



"I had to get in on this again. This guy is just not a favorite of mine for many reasons..but with that said, I want to add this... "

I don't really know whom your talking about here (S. Hawking?) but this statement of yours clearly smacks of prejudice and depicts your bellicose mindset....

"To say that scientists do not believe is an assumption because there are those that do. Science has been trying to prove there is a God since it began. "

If one is to be shorn of prejudice then it would augur well if all possibilities are considered.Science unlike religion is not concerned with the 'beliefs' of men but with facts that are a tenable explanation for the occurrence of natural and universal phenomena. Science does not disregard the idea of a god existing but yet so far there has been absolutely no evidence that would insinuate the existence of such an entity. God unfortunately as an idea is a "reductio ad absurdum" and a logical fallacy. It is the ultimate manifestation of human prejudice there is. To state that science "has been trying" to prove the existence of god is a highly presumptuous claim with no backing whatsoever.If science attempts to purport such propaganda then it would cease to exist as a branch of study.

"Why would they put so much energy into something they know does not exist? Trying to find a "God Particle" by putting this huge machine deep into our Earth (home for now), sucking the planet dry of its life force (oil) and all the other things we are doing at the present time is not only messing with our home we call Earth but it is also going against what we do know. These people are not the ones I put my trust in for facts. The facts change because of cause and effect which is constantly changing as well. Everything and everyone is still in creation mode. We are all still evolving. "
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This was just beautiful and depicts how human beings resort to selective interpretation of anything that they come across and this is only because of the overbearing bias that is encompassed by the human persona .Another thing that I find most intriguing is the absolute brazen display of ignorance and this relentless pursuit to advocate your ridiculous propaganda.

The LHC experiment at CERN is not an attempt to prove the existence of 'GOD' as you have put it but to find a reasonable explanation for certain fundamental questions that are concerned with physics especially the existence of virtual particles in a vacuum.Unfortunately the alternative term "god particle' used for the Higgs Boson is a tad bit misleading as it has nothing to do with the existence of god and is only a hypothetical particle that would supposedly resolve the various inconsistencies that exist in our understanding of contemporary physics. There are other models apart from the standard model that do not need the 'Higgs Boson" to necessarily exist.It would help if you were to do your research well before you jumped to inane conclusions.

"We, in my mind are nothing but the consciousness of the Energy force that moved within the cosmos and became self aware. It/he/she learns through us. We are all connected, however in each creation story we are told we are the Grand creation over all things, hence we create as we are in God and vice versa.

For someone to say that NDE are just brain stems losing the energy within the brain is just so silly with my understanding of them. Many people have been clinically dead only to be revived to come back with a heart beat to say what they experienced. Many with different beliefs only to have experienced the same thing.

The Universe with many Solar Systems are governed by laws just as everything else that is in creation form. Science states there are other dimensions which the eye cannot see. What lies within these dimensions?

We live in a very complex System and this system is something we have not all the answers for. The answers are based on our reality of what each particle is and how it operates. We are still trying to discover what is at the Core of the Earth. SO much we just do not know nor can we have exact proof until then. "

It might be true as to what we have considered as being fact until yesterday does not remain so tomorrow as our understanding of things continues to evolve. However it does not mean that we should not try and find a tenable explanation for the occurrence of natural phenomena(which is complex) as resorting to a belief in god is merely a meek attempt to reconcile with our meager understanding of things. It would be akin to moving back to the dark ages.
edit on 20-6-2011 by Leonardo01 because: grammar



reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 03:57 AM by Snoopy1978
reply to post by milkyway12



Well, if god is an otherwordly(biblical heaven) being, then the "aliens" claim is just a matter of semantics.


reply posted on 11-1-2012 @ 04:01 AM by Thurisaz
reply to post by spacedonk



I don't care about his personal opinions, if he was so ruddy smart, he would have dedicated his life to saving himself, eg: finding a cure for motor nuerons disease but instead he comes out with tid bits that a) cannot be proven and b) tainted by his own personal issues.

he is one angry man. peed off because he has a disease that he himself can't fix.

I respect him as a scientist but personal opinions don't mean too much to me.
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