Opinions needed about demonic forces regarding my son who is only 7., page 3

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Clearskies

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Just the sort of attitude that get's people killed. Instead of seeking real help they risk their own lives and the lives of their child by forgoing real medical treatment in favor of superstitious nonsense. It's one thing to use BOTH modern medicine and faith healing, its another thing entirely to risk your life and the life of your child by not eating for three days and praying instead of seeing a doctor.

Worst. Advice. Ever.

Definately not the "worst advice ever"... and I'll prove it. "just kill your son and it will take the demon out with him" see I just gave much worse advice. (please do not take what I said literally as I was merely proving a point). I would continue to pursue medical avenues (which she clearly has been doing thus far) but I think the chances of a psychic attack of sorts is there so pursue whatever spiritual avenues you are confortable with.

reply to post by Keeper of Kheb

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Well crap. I do love Harry Potter lol. And so do my boys! Ahhhh baby steps...
On a serious note. Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it. You really don't think about things on a deep level when you are going throughout your daily routines.

Originally posted by ampar84
reply to post by Q:1984A:1776

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Did I say ANYWHERE that I want to exorcise him?! Geez. I do not believe he is possessed what so ever! Just that my family may be suffering spiritual attacks. I understand that people who aren't necessarily religious may not understand that. He really doesn't even think about demons or satan as we haven't talked about it because he is too young to comprehend that. Please read my entire post and my responses before assuming I'm going to forgo modern medical care and subject my son to an unnecessary exorcism or anything else related.

Its the atmosphere here and the type of personalities clashing, and the very sensitive topic. Its very good you are still pursuing doctors....and believe me im sure you are getting really worn out from it. Use your faith to get you through it instead of looking at your faith as where the problems are coming from or potential solutions for it.
Good luck to you and your son I hope they discover the cause soon.

Originally posted by ampar84
reply to post by Q:1984A:1776

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Did I say ANYWHERE that I want to exorcise him?! Geez. I do not believe he is possessed what so ever! Just that my family may be suffering spiritual attacks. I understand that people who aren't necessarily religious may not understand that. He really doesn't even think about demons or satan as we haven't talked about it because he is too young to comprehend that. Please read my entire post and my responses before assuming I'm going to forgo modern medical care and subject my son to an unnecessary exorcism or anything else related.

Yes, actually, you did mention "casting these things away" and them coming back three fold. You also said that you emailed your priest about your child's circumstances after you insinuated worrying that trying to cast them away yourself would bring them back three fold, or something along those lines. I am familiar with your superstitions, and the people writing the books where you got that idea actually said seven fold, but I digress.
Basically, what I should have said, without insulting your beliefs, is that you seem to have exhausted the physiological diagnoses and should now seek a psychological diagnosis, there is no need to proceed to "spiritual" diagnoses.
I apologize if I came off a little harsh in my response. My parents were religious wackos that added years to the already necessary psychiatry sessions by implanting such insane ideas like satanic possession into my developing, imbalanced child's mind.

Originally posted by ampar84
reply to post by Keeper of Kheb

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Well crap. I do love Harry Potter lol. And so do my boys! Ahhhh baby steps...
On a serious note. Thank you for the information. I really appreciate it. You really don't think about things on a deep level when you are going throughout your daily routines.

i know i've seen some of harry potter but its meant to make witchcraft fun and entertaining especially to children. its introductory conditioning to the world of the occult. spells, chants, objects of magic and wizardry are all associated with the occult through demonic power.

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776

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Exorcism is done when someone is actually possessed. Real exorcisms are very rare.
A blessing of my house or something related is why I was contacting the priest. I should have worded that differently. A blessing is more of a protection which would make sense in our situation since I don't think there are any actual possessions going on. (on a side note, I don't even know if I believe in true demonic possessions like you see in movies..where a person becomes embodied by a demon).

reply to post by ampar84

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Dear ampar84,

I apologize if it appeared that I was asking what you might have done, not my intent. I said that people have to invite them in because I don't think demons are allowed to attack people as a rule. If nothing of that nature is in your house then the physical or mental is the most likely and that is again why the Catholic church checks those things first. Physical problems can cause very real effects on our mind and Migraines can cause visions. My intent was to tell you how to access the Catholic church regarding exorcisms. I don't dismiss the possibility of demons in the world; but, I don't believe they have much power. I don't mean to dismiss the possibility, I respect your beliefs and your experiences.

As for the Catholic church and their approach to exorcisms, it is very cautious and measured. I know of other churches that will exorcise everyone on a regular basis without investigation. You did not report that your son was speaking in foreign languages or other "signs" that are normally required for the Catholic church to conduct an exorcism. I tried to find the checklist on line and failed; but, there is one. Their fathers history and their symptoms (and my doctorate is in law not medicine) suggest other possibilities. I doubt schizophrenia because you cannot turn crazy off and your description is not of a crazy child, the headaches appear the most likely cause.

It does seem that you are doing all the right things, I did know you were seeing the doctors as recommended, I read what you wrote fully. It appears to me that you are saying that nothing is working and what else can you check for, that is the right approach, leaving no stone unturned. It can take a long time to find the causes to some things. My cluster headaches would last for days straight with no let up, sometimes for a week. When they ended I would experience euphoria for a very short time. While having extreme headaches like that our bodies produce lots of chemicals to help with the pain, chemicals similar to morphine (someone on the site can probably give a good medical description, I cannot). Those chemicals can help us to deal with the pain by removing us from the reality. The euphoria occurs because when the pain is gone all the chemicals are still there for a bit, till processed by the body. I meant to be supportive and hope that is clarified. Best wishes.

Originally posted by renegadeloser

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Clearskies

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Just the sort of attitude that get's people killed. Instead of seeking real help they risk their own lives and the lives of their child by forgoing real medical treatment in favor of superstitious nonsense. It's one thing to use BOTH modern medicine and faith healing, its another thing entirely to risk your life and the life of your child by not eating for three days and praying instead of seeing a doctor.

Worst. Advice. Ever.

Definately not the "worst advice ever"... and I'll prove it. "just kill your son and it will take the demon out with him" see I just gave much worse advice. (please do not take what I said literally as I was merely proving a point). I would continue to pursue medical avenues (which she clearly has been doing thus far) but I think the chances of a psychic attack of sorts is there so pursue whatever spiritual avenues you are confortable with.

Well if someone could give worse advice ? It seems fitting it would be you. Do you really think she wants to read what you just wrote? Lets see now you've managed the two most worthless pieces of advice and shown the
sensetivity of hyena while doing so. Would you like to start over?

reply to post by Keeper of Kheb

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Why does an innocent 7 year old kid need to "accept Jesus as his personal savior"? Is it so he doesn't get condemned to an eternity of suffering and torture merely for being born a human? Is that the imagery what you would implant into the mind of a developing child to convince him that he needs to believe in your invisible savior?
Sorry, but this all sounds very destructive if the child is struggling with a mental disorder. People like you only enhance these disorders with your (however well meaning) superstitions.

reply to post by ampar84

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ampar84 i am glad you care enough to reach out for help, wherever it may come from. as a Christian you should be well aware of the power of prayer and the incredible strength of the faithful. your prayer will not hurt. requesting your child to be remembered and prayed for by the parishioners of local houses of worship will not hurt. requesting a Priest come and put blessings upon each room of your house will not hurt. displaying symbols of your Faith in your home will not hurt.

meanwhile, you may consider taking your child to yet another doctor, clinic or specialist. one of my sisters is a nurse, felt something in her health was not right. this is the truth: she saw doctor after doctor, even a psychiatrist to satisfy her husband. it was not until she saw the 21st doctor, a young doctor still wet behind the ears, who immediately recognized her symptoms. the doctor and a nurse checked my sister very intimately and found the tick as the doctor suspected. medication brought her back to feeling well again. TWENTY ONE DOCTORS!!! sorry to yell, it just makes me angry to think of all my sister was put through. so don't you give up.

another concern: mother-in-law. if this woman if purposefully working against you spiritually would you know? are you and her on good terms? this may be an area to contemplate, to be honest with yourself. if you do suspect someone is working bad spirits against you or yours i hope you can find out the truth.

from personal experience i can tell you that if this was my child i would be very concerned about the possibility of mental illness. the mind is vastly complex and all sorts of scenarios can manifest. one may feel as if they are under attack by evil spirits which could be a chemical or electrical imbalance of the brain. i know on ATS it is almost proper courtesy to hate Big Pharma and psychiatrists. i can tell you from my personal life experiences that these people can go piss up a rope. my life finally shattered when i was 38 after trying to deal with undiagnosed, untreated mental illness for some 30 years. without the help of psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, therapists, Big Pharma, years of hard work and insurance companies writing checks i would have spent the rest of my life in some institution. this is not something i want to post but i want you to know there are people that actually get meaningful help from psychiatry and Big Pharma.

i hope you keep pursuing help for your child. don't give up. think of my sister and the 21 doctors. take solace in your Faith and use wisdom in seeking out medical attention. doctors and research geniuses go through a crap-load of schooling so they can help us. sounds to me like you're a good Mom, God bless you girl.

Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by Keeper of Kheb

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Why does an innocent 7 year old kid need to "accept Jesus as his personal savior"? Is it so he doesn't get condemned to an eternity of suffering and torture merely for being born a human? Is that the imagery what you would implant into the mind of a developing child to convince him that he needs to believe in your invisible savior?
Sorry, but this all sounds very destructive if the child is struggling with a mental disorder. People like you only enhance these disorders with your (however well meaning) superstitions.

No, until the age of accountability he is innocent. if he were to die he would go to heaven. When he reaches the age where he can make a mature decision then he is accountable. according to my research a 7 year old is not accountable. but accepting christ as his lord and savior also gives a 7 year old power and authority over the devil entering into an agreement with God in which God gives the 7 year old authority over the powers of this world inacting this authority allows God to act and protect the child. I taught my children and they're not damaged in fact they're more stable because of it.

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776

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Honestly the ONLY reason I started going back to church was because he was very interested in God and related things. I almost became a complete atheist for a while. Then I decided that we would go a few times and oddly enough he loved it! (I always disliked going to church as a child and I still get antsy! But I do enjoy it a lot now) So he kept asking to go back. He wanted to go through the religious ED class and get baptized. I always had the mentality that I would let my children decide for themselves. There's nothing worse than forcing a religion or belief on a child. Especially when they get older. He made his professions of faith as we Catholics call it, on his own terms. I was planning on waiting until both of my boys were a little bit older before I had the God talk with them. I was really surprised when he expressed such interest in it.
But to answer your question eventhough it wasn't directed at me specifically, I as a Christian/Catholic believe in heaven and hell and I feel that if you want to spend eternity with God that one must profess their faith in God. But I believe personally that it doesn't stop there. If you are going to talk the talk, you need to walk the walk. I don't think it stops at the verbal profession. I think even on a spiritual level, actions speak louder than words. And that's what I feel will benefit my kids. You can say you're a Christian all day, but being a good and moral person to the best of your ability is what really matters.

reply to post by LargeFries

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As a full on believer in Christ who would never consider anything different and who hasn't offered anything spiritual .

What you said.

reply to post by xynephadyn

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(I'm not arguing... it's difficult to express a calm "tone" while typing!) But I was just wondering if people who were in such extreme turmoil waited until it became extreme to seek your help???
Are there cases where it starts off small, then gets insanely terrible? I mean, from what I learned, even anxiety/depression/suicidal thoughts can be considered satanic or demonic attacks. Just because it's not a full blown possession or attack doesn't mean there isn't necessarily an influence of some sort?

reply to post by Aeons

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Oh I have! Thanks for the info. I don't know if it's Colorado... or just the health system in general. They diagnosed him with being overly sensitive to sights, sounds, smells, and touch. Well DUH! I asked about the sensory processing disorders and they looked puzzled and kinda changed the subject. This was at the mental health and behavior department at Childrens Hospital! I asked where we were to go from there and they sent me BACK to my primary doctor to talk about ADHD meds. Apparently ADHD meds (according to the entire team of specialists we spoke to) help slow everything down and will help with the sensory overloads. What the heck.... massive FAIL on their part.

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