Opinions needed about demonic forces regarding my son who is only 7., page 4

reply to post by ampar84

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You need to look for the specialist yourself. You'll probably not get a good referral. Can I suggest you look into the SPD Foundation, and get a referral to a specialist in your area?

If you like, I can U2U you a specialist I know in my city who would likely be able to point you to a colleague in your State.

You could also look into Tomatis Method, and see if there are any specialists in your area.

Being diagnosed isn't the same as being TREATED either.

reply to post by Keeper of Kheb

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And yet it is Love that is the root of all evil (not money, like many would believe).
Every sin is fed by love; the love of food, the love of wealth, of violence, of sex, of materialistic possession. People kill, sell drugs, collapse economies, and steal from the poor. They do all of this for money, sure, but this money is only a means to feed their sick belief that if they can obtain enough money and power and possession they will become historic... immortal... and as such they will be loved and worshipped.
However; as I said, everything has two sides. Love is also everything you stated.

As for the Bible statement. The bible is full of talking snakes, demons, and sorcery, just like Harry Potter is full of talking snakes, demons, and sorcery. The only difference is; the bible takes itself seriously.
Is the Bible suppose to be the word of God? Sure. If people didn't believe that, it'd be on a shelf next to Grimms Faery Tales, and all the other morality books from history. But lets look at God for a moment. "He" is just as much the Devil as he is the Divine. As I've said before; its all about perspective. To Moses and the Hebrew Families from Exodus, God is all good, a messenger, a saviour by giving Moses magical abilities. Now look at it from the Egyptian perspective; "This "God" has just murdered an entire generation."
Personally; I don't believe God/Devil to be entities as much as conscious energy that is present through kharma and human consciousness. This is just my personal belief, and through this belief I have been able to shape my own existence to one of pure bliss, because through my belief I have come to understand that God is everything and everyone, as the Devil is everything and everyone. We all have the power to create our own reality, and are actually creating our pasts as quickly as we are creating our future. Its a bit much to grasp I'm sure. You'd have to understand quantum physics, but the basic idea is this: When God created the Universe he created it out of himself. To better understand this; imagine a man exploding into a cloud of dust and that each speck of that dust is a galaxy. God didn't make man from his image, he made everything from his image, and since we are all a part of God, we all carry an inherent God-like power.

Here's a quote from Frank Tippler:

According to the laws of physics, matter, energy, movement and force make up everything in the world, but they all go back to one thing -- what physics calls the cosmological singularity.
Tippler says that cosmological singularity is God.

Originally posted by ampar84
reply to post by Aeons

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Oh I have! Thanks for the info. I don't know if it's Colorado... or just the health system in general. They diagnosed him with being overly sensitive to sights, sounds, smells, and touch. Well DUH! I asked about the sensory processing disorders and they looked puzzled and kinda changed the subject. This was at the mental health and behavior department at Childrens Hospital! I asked where we were to go from there and they sent me BACK to my primary doctor to talk about ADHD meds. Apparently ADHD meds (according to the entire team of specialists we spoke to) help slow everything down and will help with the sensory overloads. What the heck.... massive FAIL on their part.

This is diagnostic medicine....it really sucks doesnt it? Unfortunately for all its flaws it saves lives. Stand your ground with them and look up doctors with specific areas of studies. Mental health and behavioural sciences i think is a bit different when considering sensory issues. Basically what you experienced there (and please trust me on this ive been dealing with it heavily for 8 years now) is a doctor not owning up that maybe what you asked is out of his/her expertise and shot you down. I feel a bit degraded by doctors sometimes and the way they treat me like that on occasion.
Have you tried the meds? Have they done anything to alleviate the symptoms? If not have you brought this up to your family doctor to seek another alternative, such as the one you suggested?

reply to post by Aeons

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Yes please! Problem is we have Kaiser HMO and can only use Kaiser facilities and approved specialists, etc. But at this point, I'm willing to pay out of pocket to get someone competent.

Harry Potter doesn't draw in occult forces any more than the Lion King draws in lions. FYI.

This thread is a bit volatile, and I suppose my reply will probably be drowned out amongst the quibbling. You are Catholic. There's no problem there. If you're worried about demonic attacks, look towards the saints and angels, specifically those associated with fighting devils. St. Michael, for example. St. Dymphna is another, the patron saint for those suffering with mental illness. Learn some prayers. A good resource for finding an appropriate saint or angel is this link. They have an index of various areas of life, and the patron saints associated therewith. It may be well for you to find and purchase some pendant with the correct saint's icon upon it, for your son to wear. That's all I can really think of that wouldn't force you to violate your religious tenets.

Furthermore, I commend you greatly for seeking medical help first, and continuing to do so. You should. It is more likely to be a medical issue than an occult issue.

reply to post by Mactire

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Dear Mactire,

There are two types of loved described in the bible, we need to understand them. One is lust (eros) and the other is familial (agape). Love of money is not familial it is urge driven. Love is not the problem, the reason for our affection is the issue. At the moment the OP is dealing with a problem and she has her belief set, she is as entitled to it as we are, we don't need to agree on anything. She believes in God and demons, this is not that different from what the majority of people have believed throughout history. In addition, she is doing everything she can as a mother based on her belief set to take care of her child. I believe there are many things that we can be discussing on this site, especially spirituality, tends to be what I talk about the most; but, in this instance we should be leading people to follow the thread in my opinion, I guess I am saying I am afraid that the thread may be losing focus, not blaming you or anyone else. Please don't think I was singling you out, I really wasn't. I couldn't believe how many people attacked her from being religious, not what she was asking and not saying you did that. I just think this thread needs more focus and I felt it might be easier to say this to you rather than some who are being combative. I do hope that is okay and you will let me use you for this purpose without offense. Be well.

reply to post by nithaiah

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That's the 5th time I've ran across St. Dymphna. I've been meaning to read more on her.

reply to post by AQuestion

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All love is urge driven. The urge to create, to entrust, to raise and teach, to cherish and nurture. The difference is sometimes its good, and other times its bad (ie Unhealthy). An example of this would be a father that donates his heart so that his son can live on, and, in a case like Justin Beiber, whose mom has been quoted saying that she believes her son is God, and that she has a shrine divoted to him.
But you're right; to each their own, and our squabble over beliefs isn't the issue here. You can't change my mind and I can't change your mind. And nor would I want to. I love that humans can be diverse enough to have their own cultures and creeds, styles and understandings. Makes the world all the more special to know how diverse it is.
The issue is about this child that is being tormented. Could it be psychological? Maybe. Could it be demons? Maybe. The cure for both of these can be harmful to a child, so I would caution her to take small steps. Obviously this isn't a horribly severe account. Her husband has survived with his "situation" for years. I would advise she take some time, try and learn what she can about what her son is going through. It seems that a lot of this is her interpretation of what she's seeing. She needs to get into this boy's head and see if she can see what he's dealing with. I don't think he's possessed. I think he's just being tormented. Might not even be anything evil about it. Desperate spirits can be scary, just as desperate people can. He's only 7. It's likely he doesn't understand what he's going through, if its spiritual at all. I would also advise a CAT to rule out a tumor. Horrifying to image as a parent, but better to catch early than late.
I didn't mean to come across as attacking. Hope you weren't offended by my view.

reply to post by Mactire

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And yet it is Love that is the root of all evil (not money, like many would believe). Every sin is fed by love; the love of food, the love of wealth, of violence, of sex, of materialistic possession. People kill, sell drugs, collapse economies, and steal from the poor. They do all of this for money, sure, but this money is only a means to feed their sick belief that if they can obtain enough money and power and possession they will become historic... immortal... and as such they will be loved and worshipped. However; as I said, everything has two sides. Love is also everything you stated.

I would argue that by the use of the term "Love of Money" belittles the affection of love. Love is shared like a two way street. You can love someone or something, but if the love is not returned, the full scope of the love is never realized.

To Moses and the Hebrew Families from Exodus, God is all good, a messenger, a saviour by giving Moses magical abilities. Now look at it from the Egyptian perspective; "This "God" has just murdered an entire generation."

Here is the sentiment of the context. The Pharaoh claimed to a god. He enslaved the Hebrew people and would not let them leave. God showed him a portion of his power through Moses and he still refused to allow them to leave. It wasn't an entire generation of people, it was the first born males, which through insubordination of the Pharaoh was brought upon them. Perspective never outweighs right and wrong.

We all have the power to create our own reality, and are actually creating our pasts as quickly as we are creating our future.

I am guessing you mean this literally. If so, it sounds like the thinking of the Pharaoh. To put yourself on equal or greater standing with God has been the downfall of many great men. It is by his word that we even exist. As far as quantum physics, we don't even know how to understand it yet. Maybe one day.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by ampar84

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No offense but my guess is that mental illness is at work here at least in part, it does tend to run in families and chemical imbalances can effect brain function and behavior.

Chemical imbalance is not a medical term. It was invented by drug company doctors and promoted thru their advertising. As well as bipolar disorder. These were coined by psychiatrists for the purpose of pushing drugs that do more harm than good.

reply to post by creatednotEvolved

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Do you know of any specific quotes from the Bible itself regarding saints? This has always been one thing I have questioned as a Catholic. I feel as though I don't need an intercessor. I can talk to the big man myself. But I do like the idea of saints praying FOR me when I have run out of the strength to do so. Also, I have heard many wonderful stories regarding saints. I have never been able to question anyone at my church about saints. Mostly because depending on what you believe, everyones opinions will be biased.

reply to post by ampar84

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Dear ampar84,

Here is a link to the Archdiocese of Denver, I recommend you search within the site for "exorcism". Apparently they recently had members attend a conference on it. As I said, the Catholic church is trying to recruit more exorcists. Be well.

www.archden.org...

reply to post by ampar84

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For starters, the worshipping or interceding thru saints breaks the 1st and 2nd commandments. There are also many verses in the Bible that tell us that the dead cannot hear or see anything under the sun. So when people pray to saints, they are praying in vain. When they trust and call upon a saint, they are unknowingly praying to demonic entities masquerading as angels of light.

I will send you verses so you can see for yourself and not trust in me either. I will only direct you towards truth and you decide for yourself.

reply to post by creatednotEvolved

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That's exactly what has always been in the back of my mind. While the idea of saints are nice... I have just always believed to pray to God and God alone.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by ampar84

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Here is a link to the Archdiocese of Denver, I recommend you search within the site for "exorcism". Apparently they recently had members attend a conference on it. As I said, the Catholic church is trying to recruit more exorcists. Be well.

When pope John Paul II was alive, a demon posessed woman jumped the rail during a church service and began lashing out at him. He tried to exorcise her and failed, the archbishops then intervened and between them all, they did not exorcise the demon from the woman. That incident is the thing that has delayed John Paul II from being a saint by now.
Why he could not exorcise the demon from her is found in Matthew 12:26.

reply to post by ampar84

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i STRONGLY SUGGEST

you check out:

NEIL ANDERSON'S

BONDAGE BREAKER

and

JOHN ECKHARDT's:

PRAYERS THAT ROUT DEMONS.

However, . . . such prayers are not likely to be effective without a genuine

RELATIONSHIP with Jesus as Lord and Savior.

May God guide you in resolving these concerns and may He be with you and your son.

Originally posted by ampar84
reply to post by creatednotEvolved

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That's exactly what has always been in the back of my mind. While the idea of saints are nice... I have just always believed to pray to God and God alone.

A star for you. I was kicked out of my catechism class for questioning "authority". But when the priests, sister, and bishops answer questions with "just do it because we are telling you to do it this way" I got very uneasy about the whole catholic religion.
I could not put my fate in a religious doctrine just "because".

reply to post by BO XIAN

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I had read the Bondage Breaker before my son was born as I was starting to become curious about his fathers issues. Apparently I need to read it again! I'll check out the other as well.

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