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Originally posted by DerekJR321
I haven't been able to read through the entire 37 pages so please excuse if this has been posted already.
I read on WRH some interesting facts regarding the birth certificate.
In 1961, Kenya was not called Kenya. It was called "British East Africa Protectorate". It was not known as "Kenya" until 1963. So how could it have been listed as "Kenya" 2 years before it was even known as such?
The birth certificate lists the hospital that Obama was born in as "Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital". However in 1961 the hospital was called "Kauaikeolani Children's Hospital". The name change did not occur until 1978. A full 17 years AFTER he was born.
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States; Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
Originally posted by EL1A5
I knew once his certificate was made public, someone somewhere would claim it to be fake.
What have the people of America become, paranoids or decievers?
This is why the government laughs at us.
Originally posted by Bonified Ween
Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by Bonified Ween
LOL, I use illustrator for a living and, While I am not a birther, I do see exactly what you are pointing out and understand exactly what you are referring to. There are certainly discrepancies that could point to forgery.
Good eye,...real good eye.
Thank you for the vindication. I am sure more of the fake profiles will come on here with the Ad Hominem's. This isn't about being a birther or not. It's called investigating for yourself.edit on 27-4-2011 by Bonified Ween because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Vickie3021
reply to post by helster83
SERIOUSLY ARE YOU DEFECTIVE?
And to all others YES is DOES MEAN SOME INDIVIDUALS HAVE ENGAGED IN FRAUD, WITH WHATEVER INFORMATION, WHATEVER CHANGES, WHATEVER MOTIVES..
This means the situation is NOW WORSE AND MORE SERIOUS THAN YESTERDAY..
VERY EASY TO SEE AND PROVE WITHOUT ANY SKILL OR GRAPHICS EDITOR...
SEE FURTHER BELOW, ESPECIALLY THE SINGLE BEST EXAMPLE FOR THE NON DIGITAL SKILLED AND LIB NON BELIEVERS OF ABBO (ANYONE BUT BARRACK OBAMA)
I went to get a copy - I was just curious of all the information provided.
I didn’t believe they would ever release something that was not beyond even forensic analysis.
With 12yrs or so of editing files I see artifacts very quickly at just a glance so I zoomed in..
Some characters were different than other next to them and some background behind some form text was different.
I enlarged the pdf by %300 – just 300 shows all kinds of layers in a document that is supposed to be A SCAN OF A COPY NOT A COPY OF A "DIGITAL FILE"!!!!!
You can literally see all of the hand written pencil or pen marks, that they are different layers from most of the typed, and form printed text.
I did all this in the last 15 minutes including now finding the two videos showing the layers below.
How can they release a document that most teenagers today can see is a manipulated digital file.?
If you SIMPLY GROW IT IN ACROBAT TO %300 or more then move it quickly with scrollbar, but KEEP IT MOVING slower but still in scrolling as in left to right - you can see those layers without image editor and layers..
In one layer the number 1s in 1961 typing was altered another layer.
SCANNERS DO NOT SEPERATE NUMBERS FROM OTHERS - OCR DOES NOT EITHER!!
WHY WOULD THE NUMBER 1 IN THE YEAR 1961 BE SEPARATED BY ANY SOFTWARE, ANYTHING OTHER THAN DOCUMENTS AND INFORMATION BEING MERGED..
EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE FIELD ON THIS PAGE WAS %100 TRUE AND ACCURATE - ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE RELEASE OF THIS DOCUMENT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH FRAUD, MANIPULATION, DISHONESTY, AND DEEP IN THE MIDDLE OF PERPETUTING SOME TYPE OF POLITICAL SCAM - THE CHARACTER IMPLICATIONS OF DOING SO ALONE WILL LOSE THE ELECTION
TRUMP MAY JUST TURN OUT TO BE A HERO TO ALL WHO BELIEVE THE SORRY, SORRY HUMANS IN THE MEDIA REFUSED TO VET THEIR DREAMY CANDIDATE.
IF HE HAS FORCED THEIR HAND, AND THEREBY FORCE THE FORGERY..
It is so AMAZING and so incredibly stupid it looks like entrapment, but then again the above will apply to them all..
Just look at both of the dates AUG – 8 1961 ON THE SAME LINE why do they sit at different angles in rotation?
I can’t see why or how this would happen – the same date – the same form – the same line..
Why is it that way – it seems like a scam to entrap doubters who doubt bs when they see it..
If you scan a doc with Optical Character Recognition (OCR) turned on, Adobe Acrobat is capable of taking a scanned doc and breaking it out into layers automatically. That’s what seems to have happened here. There are still one or two funky anomalies, like the text in box 17a getting split into two separate layers and the date in 20 getting its own, but OCR is an imperfect beast and stuff like that happens. The larger question seems to be settled on how the cert got broken out into layers: Adobe did it.
Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by kinda kurious
Only problem with that theory is that I just had a look at my birth certificate, printed on the same type of paper by the way and no doubt printed from the stored microfiche. I see no whitespace artifacts surrounding the characters or the signatures. It looks like a copy of a green piece of paper that someone typed on. This forgery stinks IMHO.
Originally posted by meeneecat
reply to post by Bonified Ween
So first of all, I do see what you are referring too...So, here's what I see going on, there's actually two possibilities...as someone already pointed out, the registrar, in order to release the birth certificate, needs to include a stamp showing that their office signed off on it.
To get the multiple elements, as someone already explained, they pull out the book, turn to the page where Obama's certificate is (center element), place a frame around it containing images of the seal and the sign off (surrounding elements), either physically or digitally to signify that the office is officially releasing the record.
These are the multiple elements and you can see them clearly in the file. Also, depending on the software used to scan the document, some programs automatically will separate the different elements, for example, some programs will recognize the text and create a separate element so that the text can be "searchable". I'm not sure what program was used to do this...I'm going to do some more research and see, because just in my short time searching online, I've already seen several explanations that are perfectly reasonable explain the layers. Furthermore, if Obama were going to create a fake document, the person creating would know enough to hide any "evidence".
See two possible explanations here, and here