This Can't Be Happening In America

reply to post by SevenThunders


what does any of that say about his leadership? nothing.

remember what he did and didnt do in office.
e.g.
tarp extension was first legislation signed
did not get bj in whitehouse

its unfair to judge him on anytime but the time in office.

reply to post by Hessling


nothing but prepare by fighting back for our liberties as much as possible educating others and picking up a bible because it was written

Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Sadly, all great empires of fallen. Rome as an example. They were once a proud society. But when the Senators of that society thought that thier efforts of intervention were for the best for its people, what happen? Chaos ensued, wars and unrest occurred, which was ultimately the fall of Roma. ( Yes there was alot more involved, but you get the point )

Now, fast forward to present. What are we seeing? Are we seeing government intervention? Are we seeing needless spending on Unconstitutional social programs? How bout the over expenditure for the Military complex? The list goes on and on, but the point that should be driven home, is the very fact that all great empires fall. History repeats itself. China once fell, Russia as well. Now, it is inevitable that the US should fall. Our beloved leaders have not learned from past mistakes, instead they make more mistakes......in the name of National Security.

rome never fell completely it split into what is western society as we know it today

and we dont have 'beloved leader's' we have demonized control hungry war mongers that care nothing about our so called national security only the globalist agenda of a new world where you're the slave or cannon fodder and they're the master

Originally posted by Anon404
Housing. US housing has become too high. Buying a home should not cost much more than a years wage. These prices also trickle down to those who pay rent. Soon homelessness will be rife if these prices cannot fall. Homes should be homes not money market speculative investments.

This particular thing caught my eye. My grandparents lived in an 1100-sq-ft house most of their lives. By the time they had money to upgrade, the kids had left home and who cares?

Most people today wouldn't even consider such a thing. Can you even BUY a house that small? Everyone thinks they need giant, ridiculous houses. A relative (who is single) told me she is running out of room for her STUFF in her 2,600 sq-ft home.

What the hell is wrong with people? This is all insanity. People say "there's no middle class" but they think middle class means living like Paris Hilton. What they really mean is "I want to be fabulously wealthy by no effort of my own". Middle class is NOT Gucci and Prada.

This country is going to hell in a handbasket, but it's happening on the INDIVIDUAL level, too. People are crazy, money- and celebrity-obsessed, unwilling to work for anything or save or do without.

I think a good collapse might be good for America. Until people have to suffer a little, they're going to continue to be more interested in TMZ than what their government is doing.

reply to post by jbrew75


Oh yeah you're right. Assassinating your gay lover has no bearing on your character or ability to lead. My bad.
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reply to post by neo96


And the back and forth between "left" and "right" keeps us divided concerning gun laws and abortion and taxes and praying in public schools while our wealth is being conglomerated by less than 5% of the population who export our jobs and industry overseas to amass more % and the military-industrial complex grows larger and hungrier... that's where our wealth went... simple. Medicare and medicaid are huge costs, sure, but when something was attempted to cut those costs while still helping average people out, it was vilified.

It's the age of the Robber Barons raised exponentially. Forget hidden conspiracy, this has been going on at a certain level for 30 years right in the open.

And we recently were arguing over dismanteling unions...?? Really? We are doing the job FOR them. They put out a soundbite yelling class warfare and the echo chambers start up. It IS class warfare, just not how they mean it. We middle class people are getting stomped. I remember how we used to live... has anyone else noticed that goods are not stocked anymore like they used to be? Stores can't buy inventory. Inflation, interest rates on retirement accounts, the money has been taken and wealth has been redistributed, but upward.

The left and right doesn't even exist anymore-just smoke and mirrors and corporatism at it's worst setting citizens against each other... listen to yourselves, please.

reply to post by beezzer


You mean you joined the CLONE party, as in a clone of the Republican party, now with 50% more fiscal responsibility?

Until the Tea Party gets over its' obsession with Obama's birth certificate and cutting social programs instead of defense programs, it is just another friggin' joke!

reply to post by Hessling


Do you have any links from credible sources? If I'm not mistaken ATS requires such things. Or have you been with these kill teams or at the off site CIA torture sites your referring too? I don't know of nor have I heard of US endorsed kill teams.

I'm definitively not happy with the economy and many other things in the United States. But some of the other things you suggest are either untrue or rumors. I bet you got your information from these countries we are occupying from sitting in your living room surfing the web. Well I have served in two the so called occupied countries you are referring too and as usual on here you don't a clue what your talking about.

If the US government would adjust the tariffs to level the playing field the Chinese garbage sent here would simply sit on shelves. The stuff has a life span of a few weeks. It's impossible to compete with slave labor. Which is what is happening right now.

Do you have any suggestions to fix things or will you be moving to a better country?

Originally posted by Hessling
Folks, I’ve been politically passionate for many years. During this time I’ve seen scandals, bad decisions, foreign misadventures, economic crisis’s and so forth. While it is easily understood America is far from perfect, what has been going on the last 10+ years is nothing short of insanity.

This Can't Be Happening In America

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1) At war in 3 nations, each of which it attacked and 2 of which it occupies.

2) Runs secret torture cells on some of its distant military bases and contracts out other torture, while it also runs "kill teams" where it chooses. It even has a private army of highly paid "contractors," little of which it discloses to the American people.

3) Seizes people it deems terrorists, those it doesn't kill, and locks them up indefinitely, in many cases no charges, no trials, no rule of law.

4) Censors its wars from the American people, many of whom are indifferent to the suffering our beloved nation is causing. U.S. news media often cooperates with the government but not WikiLeaks nor Aljazeera but most Americans ignore it. No military draft, no interest.

5) Censors even the horrors its wars cause its own soldiers and their families. Once again, the U.S. news media often cooperates telling few stories or sharing few pictures, making these people largely invisible, left to bear their pain in silence and in a cloak of secrecy.

6) Once the greatest manufacturing powerhouse the world had ever seen, most U.S. manufacturing has been shipped overseas. But there still is a sizable amount of U.S. manufacturing as the government contracts with manufacturers to build weapons of mass destruction and deadly delivery systems such as jet fighters and drones in most Congressional Districts across America. All at taxpayer's expense.

7) Because of reckless government spending and huge trade deficits, the U.S. dollar which was long the gold standard of currencies is now so weak, many investors prefer gold or even other currencies as the dollar sinks in value.

8) Once the U.S. ran the greatest financial surpluses since the British Empire was at its peak. Now it is the world's biggest debtor nation running a borrowing and printing Ponzi Scheme to pay its bills.

9) Standard & Poor's, a globally respected credit rating agency threatened to downgrade the U.S.'s debt securities, the first step at what could lead in stages to having it declared "Junk." That would send interest rates through the stratosphere, making it cost prohibitive for home mortgages and small business borrowing and destroying the value left in the dollar. Newport Beach, CA based Pimco, the world's largest bond investor has already sold off its holdings in U.S. government debt.

10) To sustain and expand its military machine, the U.S. government would sacrifice Medicare, Medicaid, its educational system, its police and fire protection and other programs that bring quality of life to its citizens and protect its children and its poor and frail.

I’ve watched these events unfold right in front of my eyes and feel as though I’m in a car accident whereby everything turns to slow-motion and I feel powerless to do anything other than accept the inevitable.

I used to “fight” by voting in every election. However, it seems as though our elected leaders no longer care about us. Recently elections just seem like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Also, there is very little doubt that the media is not doing the job they were intended to do.

For those of you who have been politically awake for years, I’d like to know your take on this. Perhaps you’d like to add to this list?

Younger friends of mine do not understand why I’m freaking out over current events. They consider it “normal”.

Perpetual war…Wall Street bailouts…rampant unemployment…rich vs. poor gap reaching preposterous levels…sky rocketing inflation despite government numbers stating there is no inflation…blatantly illegal actions taken by elites with absolutely no repercussions forthcoming.

Damn it! This is NOT normal.

I simply want to know how in the heck we reached this point and within a breathtakingly short span of time in relation to our history? Do you think we can ever go back and restore our honor?

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You are very right sir, this is not America anymore, this is not what is what meant to be, and unfortunately evil forces are conspiring against what we used to stand for.

George Washington is rolling in his grave right now, he'd be ashamed of us all.

reply to post by The Sword


Whats wrong with cutting social programs? We are not a socialist country. This a democracy and your economy is suppose to be based on having a right to work and earn a living. With half the country being fed because they don't feel like working. Heck a lot of these people have never worked because their drug addicts and alcoholics.?

I believe the elderly have paid into a program and they should be completely taken care of. I believe in a emergency net for people going through tough times. but with time limits.

For all the people that don't want to work and milk the system and have babies to get more money. Sit online all day and get high well they can all starve for all I care they are running this country into the ground and the people are sick of it the democratic party welfare platform. In this country your not entitled to anything unless you work for it. If you want someone to take care of you while you sit around all day call your family.

Originally posted by JayFlores
reply to post by Hessling

 

People, especially the younger generation, need to wake up and open their eyes to whats going on around them. Turn off the ipod, get off your x-box, put down your double mocha, half calf imitation coffee and see what this country is becoming. Our rights are being stripped away at an alarming rate and the younger generation has no idea why youre freaking out? They see this as normal

Well, in all fairness, if this economy was in a downwad spiral when you were at that age, and you had access to all the luxuries that we have now including ipods and gaming consoles, would you seriously care about the world around you if trouble wasn't immediately apparent?

I think it's great that you guys are mindful and keeping a watch on things, but like the younger generation, just try to live your lives. Crank up a song by Megadeth, bang hour head, and blast your way through Call of Duty. Your part of the action is over after you vote for a potential suitor to be elected. What you fail to realize is that no matter who gets sworn into office, these officials are all reading and directing from a pre-determined script... from somebody higher up beyond our recognition. They're on puppet strings, and if you actually think Obama has a different agenda from Bush, than why is he still deploying more troops over to the Middle East instead of abiding by his promise to bring them back?

reply to post by SevenThunders


establish proof he ordered it , was he elected president , president-elect , candidate , or just som3 shill when that supposedly happened ? how could he have that power of government if he wasnt president ?

nothing matters for now than what he has done as president . it is the only metric to judge performance we have .

dont you know you are already in his plan ? they could feed you lies like alex jones is bill hicks to sidetrack and further lead from the truth .

why store such energy of hate in your heart?

reply to post by Hessling


I am 63 years old. In my lifetime I have not seen events such as we are seeing now in this country. I weep for this country every day. It is not the America I grew up in, and it won't be American at all, soon, if things continue as they are.

So many in our society today are "drugged" up and I'm talking about legal prescribed medications; anti depressants in particular. We are "dumbed down", sort to speak. People drink, they party, they like to experience "instant gratification", and not have to work for anything. We have enhanced technology that feeds the instant gratification.

I teach in a middle school, and the students have such a lack of attention it is a tremendous challenge to keep them interested. They are apathetic. They are also on medication. Parents, more and more, lack involvement in their child's schooling; and blame the teachers or the system for their child's failure. You may ask how all of this fits in with the 10 things you listed. Well, it all starts with education, respect, and responsibility.

These are not "normal" times. Greed, self indulgence, lack of respect for others, and lack of discipline all play a huge role.

Originally posted by beezzer
T'is why I joined the Tea Party.
But hey, different strokes and all. Get active in your community. Speak up, speak out.

And do not go gentle into that dark night.. . .

Me too.

reply to post by Bonified Ween


I completely disagree. Your point is well stated, however, this resolve is NOT the fault of the people.

Your list should probably read something more like:

Reason #1: Motive
Reason #2: Agenda
Outcome #3: Control

You're placing the blame on the American people/public. Although naivety does play a huge role, you can bet that it's entirely unintentional. Please, do not confuse the victims with the perpetrators. Especially in the case of the whole American republic.

You weren't wrong by any means. I just suggest you start at the top of the ladder, as opposed to the bottom.



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Strype

This can't be happening in America? Really? I have two words for you, Woodrow Wilson. Here's 2 more, Abraham Lincoln, Here's 2 more, Richard Nixon, but wait there's more! Jimmy Carter, Herbert Hoover, John Kennedy. I think what I mean to say is that it "happens" in America all the time, we just screw up by trying to remember it all in nice little "4 year" chunks! like it isn't some continuing process on the road to oblivion!

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by beezzer

 

You mean you joined the CLONE party, as in a clone of the Republican party, now with 50% more fiscal responsibility?

Until the Tea Party gets over its' obsession with Obama's birth certificate and cutting social programs instead of defense programs, it is just another friggin' joke!

Yah would have been nice if Barry hadn't jumped into the Libya thing huh! Or sent more troops to Afghanistan inexplicably.

reply to post by Hessling


And the Founding Fathers wept....

Imagine reading that list to Kennedy, Eisenhower or Franklin Roosevelt. Imagine the look on their faces.