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Did he say my kingdom? nope...
If James and Jude, Jesus's half-brothers, and Mary His mother worshipped Him as God that's fine with me. Peter, Matthew and John did as well. The angels worshiped Jesus as God.
I wish Jesus had told the angels to stop worshiping Him. I mean, lyke it's soooooooo confusing. All this worshiping it gives the idea Jesus was God. I wonder why the Bible didn't mention Jesus the man too when it said only God was to be worshipped?? I guess Moses forgot that part of the 10 Commandments.
I AM the Lord thy God, thou shall have no other Gods before me.
References please.... I realize there were many that claimed he was God... Im saying Jesus didn't make that claim...
God the Son was sent to do the will of God the Father by the power of the Holy Spirit.
1. Why did Jesus not forbid people to worship Him as God when the OT scriptures forbid the worship of anything other than God, and especially after Jesus tells satan that only God is to be worshiped?
2. Why did Jesus ask God the Father to "glorify" Him with the glory they "shared" before the world began?
3. Why does Jesus have authority over satan and all the demons and fallen angels?
4. Why is it that anytime an OT prophet spoke to the people they said "Thus sayeth the Lord...", but when Jesus spoke He never said that, He always said "I say unto thee"?
13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
5. How could Jesus pre-exist Abraham, the angels, and the universe?
6. Why is Jesus sitting on the throne in heaven, especially since God says that He will NOT share His glory with another?
7. How did Jesus come "down" from heaven, and why does Jesus say His kingdom is "not from this world"?
8. Finally, can you name another person from history who raised themselves from the dead, or walked on water?
washing of water by the word
born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
he gave power even to those that believe on his name
He sendeth out his word, and melteth them: he causeth his wind to blow, and the waters flow.
By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew.
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
www.biblegateway.com...:25-27&version=KJV
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM
Sure, in a figurative sense heaven can be anywhere. People use it as a figure of speech quite often. However, when spoken of as the realm and throne where God and the dead redeemed go it's hyper-dimensional. Jesus says it's not on the Earth in John 8:23:
"And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."
He says He is not from this world, He came from heaven.
20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Christ showed the way to Heaven. All we have to do is do what he said, love one another, do not judge one another.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Akragon
Wow, nevermind, you're blind.
I'm no longer going to cast my pearls.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by IAMIAM
Christ showed the way to Heaven. All we have to do is do what he said, love one another, do not judge one another.
No, Christ wasn't just some great teacher that showed everyone how to endure unjustice. Jesus paid our debt in full to the Father. "It is finished!" in the Greek is "tetelistai", and it literally means "paid in full".
"It is finished" is very open to interpretation.
By your view, you do not have to believe anything or really do anything.
Simply believe the magic word "Christ" and all is done.
When you believe like this it is no reason people shake their heads at the lack of logic their.
It is also the reason Christianity as a whole is mocked and ridiculed.
Anyone with half a sense can actually read what Christ taught and point out the flaws in the whole Christian belief.
You have to want to not have to work for it to interpret scripture the way that many do.
"It is finished" is the end of Christ's teaching.
It was the final lesson in how we are to love one another.
Originally posted by taccj9903
reply to post by General.Lee
Thanks for your comment Mr.Lee. I understand what you are trying to say and I realize that no one is perfect. The problem I have with people, not just Christians, is outwardly proclaiming they have a certain set of beliefs but by their actions they fail miserably.
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Yes, there are many Christians who outwardly appear to be model servants but have many skeletons in their closets, my beef isn't with them. At least these people don't publicly tarnish the credibility of their fellow believers.
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Yes,even that question came up only because of some so-called Christians there—false ones, really —who were secretly brought in. They sneaked in to spy on us and take away the freedom we have in Christ Jesus. They wanted to enslave us and force us to follow their Jewish regulations.
Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
Ye shall know that I am the LORD when I have wrought with you for my name's sake and not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
If someone wants to live life on their terms (sinners according to the bible) then do it and stop pretending to be someone else. I have no authority to say what constitutes a model Christian, but the bible mentions it quite a bit, and I can read. I just feel that there are certain behaviors that any Christian, whether old or new, should know not to engage in.
But now you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil. Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
for whatever is not from faith is sin..and the law is not of faith
For all the law (of faith/liberty) is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
and where there is no law there is no sin counted.
when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law
I just think many Christians want the best of both worlds. They want to feel secure in the knowledge that they will be saved and go to heaven yet they don't want to give up their old ways of living. It doesn't take a biblical scholar to know that their lord and savior isn't going to be very happy with their choice of leading a double life.
You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Who are you to judge another’s servant?
if judgement begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son.
he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.
But anyway it really isn't up to me to point out the obvious they can work that out with their god. I just wrote the post because I am married to one of those people and was tired of all the hypocrisy from her and her so called Christian friends.
those who marry will face many troubles in this life
Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife. But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls
Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
Do not deprive each other of sexual relations, unless you both agree to refrain from sexual intimacy for a limited time.. Afterward, you should come together again so that Satan won’t be able to tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
Originally posted by taccj9903
reply to post by Rustami
Hi Rustami,
Yes I am familiar with most of those bible verses you posted. However, since I don't believe in the bible as an absolute authority in my life then these verses mean no more to me than advice from a self help book. I can take it or leave it, either way my eternal salvation does not depend on whether or not I adhere to the biblical teachings. Thanks and have a great day.
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him
And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
www.biblegateway.com...
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:10"
I agree