The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

Originally posted by cushycrux

Originally posted by MidnightTide
I just want to know when people thoughts things were so good?

Life has always been a struggle - as it should be.


I really can't understand those who say everything should be shared - that big government should take care of everyone.

Isn't it more blessed to give than receive?

The world is not some peachy loving place. You can't get everyone in a circle singing kumbaya.

reply to post by OverMan


Your denial isn't fooling anyone here. The FED needs to be abolished ASAP.

You type like you are the only one that understands anything. . .Why would you support a system that is built on fractional reserve banking that prints more and more money and requires endless growth to be effective?

It's a big fail and you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You are just repeating what you put down on your papers to pass a class.

Originally posted by beezzerYor "facts" don't fit the narritive.
Your "facts" have absolutely nothing to do with what I believe.

So you reject them...The FACT that 18 million was given to the PACs "Freedom Works" and "AFP", both organizers/sponsors of Tea Party events, because it doesn't "fit your narrative". That's fair, at least you admit to rejecting facts because they don't agree with what you believe in.

Originally posted by beezzerYou are too damned busy trying to define the Tea Party within your own narrow confines, along with many here...

Hmm. That's interesting that you say this, because no where in my post did I "define" the Tea Party. But if you are going to make this claim, please provide the quote where I supposedly "defined" the Tea Party. I merely pointed out their corporate backing, and the fact that Ron Paul, someone who is often associated with the Tea Party by the MSM, also pointed out that the Tea Party has been co opted by corporate interests. If you want to turn this into me "defining" the Tea Party, so be it...but at least be honest about things and admit that you are lying.

Originally posted by beezzerYou might get the odd person fooled, but the rest of us who actually believe in doing something positive will look at you and the rest with something akin to sadness and pity for the shills you are for the media and the rest.

What exactly are the facts "trying to fool people of"? How do facts "fool people"? How is pointing out certain facts about corporate donations to political parties "being a shill for the media and the rest"?

18 million in donations from one of the largest petro chemical companies in the world. First hand (under cover journalistic) evidence of a Koch brother providing instructional information to Tea Party activists on how to organize and conduct rallies/protests...including a leaked memo from last year from AFP instructing activists on how to conduct themselves at town hall events including:

Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put tIle Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. TIle Rep should be made to feel tIlat a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington

If he blames
Bush for something or offers other excuses -- call him on it, yell back and have
someone else tallow-up with a shout-out.

people in their district
can see past the charade and are angry about the socialist agenda,

Then the memo lists directed questions for the participants to ask including (most of these questions are of course built on straw men, half truths, and disinfo):

-YOU have voted for a socialist agenda. Please explain why you believe a
soeialist approach to governing, as opposed to a free market approach is
optimum?
-Medicare and Medicare have
been financial f~lJlures. Point to a country where national health care has not been
rationed?
-Combined federal, state, property, sales, capital and misc. taxes confiscate
over 50%, and in some cases, 60%) of household income. Team Obama intends to
implement ADDITIONAL taxes in the form of health care, cap and trade,
punitive cafe standards, Il1creased marginal rate on the 'top' earners, (while .
expanded tax 'credits' to those who do not pay taxes, i,e, transferring income
from one household to another)How much do you believe a household should be
able to keep of their income?
-You have broken the back of the American
taxpayer. Just how much household debt do YOU think is enough?

Source

So you are saying that the organization "Americans for Prosperity", a Koch corporate funded entity, is NOT instructing Tea Party people on how to conduct themselves, what questions to ask, how to react, and so forth? Hmm. Interesting. Is this another case of Tea Party people rejecting the facts because they don't fit in with their beliefs?

reply to post by libertytoall


VIDEO #1: this guy is seriously oversimplifying things and I quote 2:18 "because speculators had greater faith in an oil futures contract then they did in the US dollar".... although I am no economist I do have a firm understanding of Oil/energy and economics enough to know that this statement couldnt be more wrong.

You are not off to a good start.

VIDEO #2: Ron Paul cant seem to say the word CORPORATE FASCISM as that is what CORPORATISM is...
Ron Paul wants congress to control the monetary policy yet Ron Paul constantly blames both politicians as well as central bankers for our ills. I suppose so Rand Paul can blame Politicians for the next 40 years???

What that video tells me is that both Paul and Jim Carr know that Corporate Fascism has sucked the life out of all government efforts to help the poor build wealth.
The government has helped Corporate Fascists while only pretending to help the poor. It covertly supports classism and fascism and this process did not begin with Reagan nor FDR nor Lincoln etc...

VIDEO #3: "Official unemployment rates" are false, they "cook" the books. The rates are always much higher then reported.
How does this video diminish my position or help your position?
The rich have been getting richer and now they want austerity, now they support Tea party movements etc etc NOW they are worried yet they werent worried while they were getting filthy rich and much of middle class CONSERVATIVE america wasnt worried either as long as those pay checks kept coming, as long as those real estate booms allowed them to refinance, as long as their BRIBE was paid in full.

If you would stop seeing everyone left or right then you will stop seeing me as LEFT.

The Subversion began with the CONstitution.

This document enabled them via LEGALESE to create an all powerful central government.

I stand with the ANTI FEDERALISTS and since you havent mentioned them I must assume that you know nothing of this and thus very little of our true HisStory.

We all know that we need a smaller government yet when and where is the question and now that the elite have all the wealth... of course they now want little government as they have gotten all the GOVERNMENT COPORATE WELFARE that they needed while the majority of us fight over the definitions of words...

Patriot?
My people were here before there were colonies. We got along just fine with previous "owners" of these lands. We inter married, learned each others customs and otherwise coexisted long before this land caught the attention of the Monarchs... Pilgrim

I side with the anti federalists only because at this time it seems the most logical and reasonable position to take. Nothing more and nothing less...

Now go be all Religiously political somewhere else aye?

reply to post by tbonethedstroyer


When did I say that I supported FIAT CURRENCY?
Where did I say anything of the sort?

You are a troll if you are real at all.

If you are not a troll then you are unaware of how to act on a forum.

reply to post by tbonethedstroyer


I agree yet the way the RIGHT is attacking me and the things they are openly supporting on here which I am handedly destroying I might add is rather telling dont you think?

I said this is a weak anti tea party piece of crap and then the Left comes at me as well.

Yes, very telling indeed.

Just curious if I am the only one seeing this aspect of it all?

Nothing new i suppose yet curious nonetheless.

Originally posted by iterationzero

Originally posted by neo96
last time i l checked alot of them ran as independents and some ran as republicans no doubt.

Of the ones who were elected last year, what percentage ran as Republicans?

Oh "keerist";don't make me get out my caps! "Perhaps that's because

THERE WERE NO "TEAPARTY" PRIMARIES!!!!
AS THE "TEA PARTY" IS A CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY NOT A NATIONAL POLITICAL PARTY!

Originally posted by iterationzero

ok you may not hate but the severe hatred for the right and the teaparties is nothing but political manipulation so the left maintains their control of this country and no its the same old tune just a new player that they want gone.

I don't hate the right any more than I hate the left. You keep assuming that I'm partisan when I'm not. No one in the current power structure wants the Tea Party gone - they invented the Tea Party. It's another distraction that further ensures that real change will never occur in this country.

politics are nothing but mass manipulation to get and maintain power you may see no differences but i do anyone who has been paying attention knows whats going on and the fact of the matter is the only "party" who hasnt screwed this country over are the teaparties.

Because the Tea Party is "new", even though its power base in D.C. consists of people who came straight out of the ranks of the Republican party.

reply to post by libertytoall


OH wow, everything that is happening today.

Originally posted by cushycrux
To "libertytoall"

1. I got money
2. I got a bank
3. My money makes money
4. Makes more money
5. Even more
6. Even more and more
7. Until I have almost endless money

How can this work?











Why do even intelligent people don't see the obvious falsehood?! I mean it's so simple even a 5 year old would come to the logic, that this can't work. Mankind

And now tell me this is system has not to crash (in rage)...

edit on 24-4-2011 by cushycrux because: (no reason given)

How can this work? Because money is a tool like a swinging hammer it can move people to voluntarily showup at 0900 to their cubicle to enter in to what libs and socialists call "slavery".
Any force ( from the falling contractors framing hammer to the200 ton mechanical punch press to theconomic force of money) canbe used to create things,dowork; which creates wealth.

Originally posted by tbonethedstroyer
reply to post by OverMan

 

Your denial isn't fooling anyone here. The FED needs to be abolished ASAP.

You type like you are the only one that understands anything. . .Why would you support a system that is built on fractional reserve banking that prints more and more money and requires endless growth to be effective?

It's a big fail and you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. You are just repeating what you put down on your papers to pass a class.

Inferiority complex often?
Strawman often?
Worried that people might be "fooled" by my words often?
ASSUMING that I support FIAT currency or the need for currecny at all for that matter often?

You said that you LOVED the guy once you found out that he was part of the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY so I took that movement apart for you and showed you the bias of its founder because :

"An ad hominem (Latin: "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to link the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.[1] The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2] but it is not always fallacious; in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue."

So you could say that I "TOOK IT TO THE MAN" namely the founder, his fears and his beliefs as they are VERY RELEVANT to ALL OF THIS.

What did you have to say about that but diversion and name calling?

Originally posted by 46ACE
Oh "keerist";don't make me get out my caps! "Perhaps that's because

THERE WERE NO "TEAPARTY" PRIMARIES!!!!
AS THE "TEA PARTY" IS A CONSERVATIVE IDEOLOGY NOT A NATIONAL POLITICAL PARTY!

You can "get out your caps" all you want, but you're agreeing with my earlier point that politician who identifies themselves as a member of the Tea Party is a Republican. It's not a change from politics as usual - it's the same members of the existing power structure trying to rebrand themselves. They're all still part of the same power structure that controls the Democrats and Republicans behind the scenes. I don't doubt that the average citizen who identifies themselves as a member of the Tea Party truly believes that what they're doing is for the greater good, just as the average citizen who self identifies as a far left Democrat, moderate Democrat, or moderate Republican does. The problem isn't with the ideology - a society can only benefit from the honest debate of multiple ideas. The problem is that the upper echelons of the government that cause such divisiveness with their ideologies are all in bed together when the doors are closed.

Why do people think that corporations have all the power in a capitalist system? You do realize that you are talking about fascism and not capitalism don't you? And let me beat you lefties to the punch... IT ISN'T THE SAME THING. In a capitalist system, the consumer dictates what corporations are successful and those that are not. In capitalism the people (consumers) have all of the power, and the corporations, big and small, are at their mercy. Fascism comes about when greedy, corrupt politicians get in bed with big corporations to further their political career, while the corporations use the politicians to further their business and profit. A great example of this would be Obama's relationship with Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE. There are many examples, and Obama sure as hell isn't the only President guilty of it. Both Bushes were just as bad, so this isn't a party thing. America has been transformed from a capitalistic republic into a tyrannical, oligarchic, pseudo-democracy with a dash of fascism. Both parties are responsible for this. They are two sides to the same coin. The Tea Party stands against this. The Tea Party stands against government plunder, also know as the progressive income tax.

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by cushycrux
To "libertytoall"

1. I got money
2. I got a bank
3. My money makes money
4. Makes more money
5. Even more
6. Even more and more
7. Until I have almost endless money

How can this work?











Why do even intelligent people don't see the obvious falsehood?! I mean it's so simple even a 5 year old would come to the logic, that this can't work. Mankind

And now tell me this is system has not to crash (in rage)...

edit on 24-4-2011 by cushycrux because: (no reason given)

How can this work? Because money is a tool like a swinging hammer it can move people to voluntarily showup at 0900 to their cubicle to enter in to what libs and socialists call "slavery".
Any force ( from the falling contractors framing hammer to the200 ton mechanical punch press to theconomic force of money) canbe used to create things,dowork; which creates wealth.

And from where does that money that didn't exist come from? Correct, it's stolen.

reply to post by cushycrux

Even though I support the Tea-Party movement, I do not really care how those amateur filmmakers perceive them. Originally, the Tea-Party movement was a collection of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents voters. Since the movement has faded into the background, I do not see them as an obstacle for the 2012 elections.

When I became a registered voter last year, I signed up as an undeclared voter without a political party. Democrat and Republican voters who vote consistently for the same party are morons. Instead of having minds of their own, loyalists need instructions on how to think, behave, and live. Regardless about how messed up Democrats and Republican politicians become, loyalists will sell their souls to Satan if it means their party will win.

I am the party of me.

But the elite run and support both parties, the tea party was an attempt to put power back into the hands of the people,

It is ironic how men of wealth and means desire the rest of us to tighten out belts, preaching communism and socialism at their fancy, Hollywood and tech executives dinners.

Democratic party sources said the tickets for all three events started at $100 and ranged up to the maximum legal limit of $35,800.

All of the money raised goes to the Obama Victory Fund. Though officials declined to disclose a final tally, estimates suggest millions of dollars were raised from about 2,700 donors.

millions of dollars raised from about 2,700 donors.?

Well, do not despair they will let us peons stand in the rain like lemmings for free.


Stop FEEDING the machine, it is oiled by your blood.

reply to post by OverMan


LOL WUT?

Dude.

Denial and status quo is strong with this one yes?

I just started reading this book,
en.wikipedia.org...


books.google.com... 0o&hl=en&ei=Gj-0TcmYEYTo0QGYsJD6CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20elite%20fund%20both%20parties&f=false

well good luck with that link?

In a perfect world we all would be equal, no one would go hungry, be homeless, or go without health-care,

1. Balance of power implies equality of power. However, one's power balance means for another a power imbalance.
2. The doctrine of the harmony of interests / balance of power makes dissidence appear to be the source of chaos and disturbance.
3. The prime focus of the theory is the Congress, however its members are members of the upper classes and cannot actually be the representatives of the interests of the lower classes of the society. Furthermore, the power in congress comes with seniority, hence congress people will have to stay in the Congress as long as possible, which makes it impossible for them to become dissidents. In the mean time, the seniors manipulate and determine what will happen in the Congress. And the major issues of the electorate usually cannot find space in political campaigns, the congress itself, or even the congressional committees. If they come up, they are structured so that discussion is limited to certain viewpoints and the substantive issue will be stalemated. It is not the political power of the Congress, or that of key Congressmen, that has expanded and centralized.
4. The founding fathers' idea of a checks-and-balances-state is grounded in their belief in the US middle class as the stabilizer and the pivot of the class balance in the US. In contemporary US economy, however, the small entrepreneurs that once consisted the economy are replaced by a handful of centralized corporations. Moreover, the middle class has come to be dependent on the state and replaced by a new middle class (white-collar employees), whose jobs cannot provide them with tools (political freedom and economic security) to be independent, that is yet another part of the impotent mass society. Labour unions themselves became institutions that choose leaders and send them to corporate positions once those leaders become established.
5. The 'checks-and-balances' system is outdated and inapplicable to contemporary US political and economical life.
6. It assumes that the different balances that keep the society in equilibrium requires them to be independent of each other. However, none of them (labour, business, state, military and so on) are independent of each other any longer, and hence, they cannot be seen as elements of a balancing system.
7. Major interests do not compete with each other, but instead co-operate to promote several interests as they coincide.
8. The lobbies that are supposed to be checks-and-balances are now part of the state.

The elite have lost touch with the common man.

The fact of the matter is, we are all in the same boat and it is sinking, all we can do is sit back and watch, apparently, because politics has become the new religion for most and they won't allow a revival/reawakening,

Try to imagine everything you think you know is wrong, shake off the shackles.

Teabaggers unite!

But please be aware that the smart people are laughing at you.

Originally posted by cushycrux

Originally posted by 46ACE

Originally posted by cushycrux
To "libertytoall"

1. I got money
2. I got a bank
3. My money makes money
4. Makes more money
5. Even more
6. Even more and more
7. Until I have almost endless money

How can this work?











Why do even intelligent people don't see the obvious falsehood?! I mean it's so simple even a 5 year old would come to the logic, that this can't work. Mankind

And now tell me this is system has not to crash (in rage)...

edit on 24-4-2011 by cushycrux because: (no reason given)

How can this work? Because money is a tool like a swinging hammer it can move people to voluntarily showup at 0900 to their cubicle to enter in to what libs and socialists call "slavery".
Any force ( from the falling contractors framing hammer to the200 ton mechanical punch press to theconomic force of money) canbe used to create things,dowork; which creates wealth.

And from where does that money that didn't exist come from? Correct, it's stolen.

Who stole it and who was it stolen from? (I already know what your answer will be.) The only people stealing money from those that earned it is the federal government.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I just started reading this book,
en.wikipedia.org...


books.google.com... 0o&hl=en&ei=Gj-0TcmYEYTo0QGYsJD6CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20elite%20fund%20both%20parties&f=false

well good luck with that link?

In a perfect world we all would be equal, no one would go hungry, be homeless, or go without health-care,

1. Balance of power implies equality of power. However, one's power balance means for another a power imbalance.
2. The doctrine of the harmony of interests / balance of power makes dissidence appear to be the source of chaos and disturbance.
3. The prime focus of the theory is the Congress, however its members are members of the upper classes and cannot actually be the representatives of the interests of the lower classes of the society. Furthermore, the power in congress comes with seniority, hence congress people will have to stay in the Congress as long as possible, which makes it impossible for them to become dissidents. In the mean time, the seniors manipulate and determine what will happen in the Congress. And the major issues of the electorate usually cannot find space in political campaigns, the congress itself, or even the congressional committees. If they come up, they are structured so that discussion is limited to certain viewpoints and the substantive issue will be stalemated. It is not the political power of the Congress, or that of key Congressmen, that has expanded and centralized.
4. The founding fathers' idea of a checks-and-balances-state is grounded in their belief in the US middle class as the stabilizer and the pivot of the class balance in the US. In contemporary US economy, however, the small entrepreneurs that once consisted the economy are replaced by a handful of centralized corporations. Moreover, the middle class has come to be dependent on the state and replaced by a new middle class (white-collar employees), whose jobs cannot provide them with tools (political freedom and economic security) to be independent, that is yet another part of the impotent mass society. Labour unions themselves became institutions that choose leaders and send them to corporate positions once those leaders become established.
5. The 'checks-and-balances' system is outdated and inapplicable to contemporary US political and economical life.
6. It assumes that the different balances that keep the society in equilibrium requires them to be independent of each other. However, none of them (labour, business, state, military and so on) are independent of each other any longer, and hence, they cannot be seen as elements of a balancing system.
7. Major interests do not compete with each other, but instead co-operate to promote several interests as they coincide.
8. The lobbies that are supposed to be checks-and-balances are now part of the state.

The elite have lost touch with the common man.

The fact of the matter is, we are all in the same boat and it is sinking, all we can do is sit back and watch, apparently, because politics has become the new religion for most and they won't allow a revival/reawakening,

Try to imagine everything you think you know is wrong, shake off the shackles.

I disagree... In a perfect world everyone would be FREE to do as they wish, as long as their freedom and the results of their freedom didn't interfere or impede upon someone else's freedom. There would be no government plunder (federal taxes). People would be responsible for their own lives and they would reap what they sow. No one would be entitled to what another person has earned. People would be held accountable for their irresponsible actions. For example, if "Bob" chooses not to have health insurance for most of his life and smokes 2 packs a day eventually Bob will get lung cancer. If Bob doesn't have Health Insurance and Bob gets lung cancer then that's his own damn fault. Sorry Bob, you should have been more responsible. Then Bob's situation would be a lesson to everyone else, so that others wouldn't follow the same path as Bob.