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The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by muse7
Any person of color that is not white and that is actively involved in the Tea Party must be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.



I'd like to see at least a dozen African Americans, a dozen Arabs, a dozen Orientals, a dozen Hispanics and a dozen Islanders, a dozen disabled people, a dozen war vets in the TP before I take them seriously and not have just a token.
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
socialist idealism has created the fed...


The idea was actually floated by by Republican Senator Nelson Aldrich and adopted by WIlson with little modification in 1913.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by neo96
socialist idealism has created the fed...


The idea was actually floated by by Republican Senator Nelson Aldrich and adopted by WIlson with little modification in 1913.


Using "Free market capitalism" as the selling point, you see where that has gotten us now?



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Using "Free market capitalism" as the selling point, you see where that has gotten us now?


That was not the premise it was marketed upon, it was proposed as a means of controlling banking panics.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by MajorKarma
reply to post by meeneecat
 


Jane Mayer, of The New Yorker,
Media Matters,
Fox News Channel,
The Guardian.

and Oh My, Janeane Garofalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they are against the "Tea Party" maybe its time I consider joining them.

Has it occurred to anyone that Wealthy People maybe care about this country too? That not all of them are Globalist Traitors? .


edit on 24-4-2011 by MajorKarma because: Typos and expanded comment


"poisoning the well" i see? Attempting to discredit facts by insulting the source? 18 million given to Freedom Works and AFP, memos instructing Tea Party how to conduct themselves at town halls and specific questions to ask. These are all objective evidence, regardless of the reporter or new organization who first reported them. And I never used Janeane Garofalo as a source, but if you want to lie about it and link her to my comments, so be it. It still doesn't change the facts here, which you seem to want to ignore or insult rather than address.

And are you actually arguing that rich political elites care about the country? That this class of people, the same criminal corporatists who buy our politicians and pay to write the laws of this country, the same robber barons who crashed the economy so they could make millions and loot trillions from the American people, and are still making millions from war profiteering among other shady and immoral endeavors...that these people actually care about the country? Now that's something you don't hear everyday, especially here on ATS. It would be funny if the results of their neo-liberal globalist agenda weren't so tragic.


Originally posted by MajorKarmaMoreover, if you can't figure out who are the "Bad Guys", sometime looking at who are against this or that group may be way to seeing "The Truth"


You mean kinda how Mussolini was against "socialism" so he then decided to become a "fascist"? Or kinda how Muslims are against Jewish Zionism, and so we should be for Zionism? Does this mean that because Libyan dictator Qaddafi is against U.S. involvement in the country, that we should then support a war there? And what about Al Qaeda given that the U.S. was for them before they were against them? Things are so confusing when you make the assumption of there being just two sides, that there can only be two positions "for" and "against". Ah. well, such is the nature of false dichotomies...and precisely how politics are manipulated through the lens of "left vs. right", "conservative vs. liberal", "republican vs. democrat"...looks like this political tribalism is working out just as well for the "Tea Party" people too.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Using "Free market capitalism" as the selling point, you see where that has gotten us now?


That was not the premise it was marketed upon, it was proposed as a means of controlling banking panics.


Look what has happened since, more panics in the last 100 yrs then the previous 300 combined so in reality they only did it so that nothing can trace or link back to them.

The Federal Reserve is still the Greatest Scam Ever Conducted on the American public.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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"Even if only one inferior man is occupying a ruling position in a country, he is able to
oppress superior men. Even a single passion still lurking in the heart has power to
obscure reason. Passion and reason cannot exist side by side-therefore fight without
quarter is necessary if the good is to prevail.
In a resolute struggle of the good against evil, there are, however, definite rules
that must not be disregarded, if it is to succeed. First, resolution must be based on a
union of strength and friendliness. Second, a compromise with evil is not possible;
evil must under all circumstances be openly discredited. Nor must our own passions
and shortcomings be glossed over. Third, the struggle must not be carried on directly
by force. If evil is branded, it thinks of weapons, and if we do it the favor of fighting
against it blow for blow, we lose in the end because thus we ourselves get entangled
in hatred and passion. Therefore it is important to begin at home, to be on guard in
our own persons against the faults we have branded. In this way, finding no
opponent, the sharp edges of the weapons of evil becomes dulled. For the same
reasons we should not combat our own faults directly. As long as we wrestle with
them, they continue victorious. Finally, the best way to fight evil is to make energetic
progress in the good"


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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Look what has happened since, more panics in the last 100 yrs then the previous 300 combined so in reality they only did it so that nothing can trace or link back to them.


There have not been any major bank runs in the United States since the Great Depression.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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the federal reserve is indeed the biggest scam of the entire world

the federal reserve loans money to banks and that money is loaned to the people

meaning that money which is essentially nothing it doesn't exist charges the bank and then the bank charges you

and the interest that is paid is profit,

profit on something that doesn't exist its sheer genius but insidious.

and the fact they set the rates for every loan and credit card and mortgage in this country.


i dont care if a republican came up with that idea i know for a fact that the democrats will never use any republican idea but it still doesn't change the fact the woodrow wilson signed into law.


the federal reserve is the most evil and corrupt organization in this country next to the us congress itself
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by muse7
Any person of color that is not white and that is actively involved in the Tea Party must be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.



I'd like to see at least a dozen African Americans, a dozen Arabs, a dozen Orientals, a dozen Hispanics and a dozen Islanders, a dozen disabled people, a dozen war vets in the TP before I take them seriously and not have just a token.
edit on 24-4-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Well you will have to wrestle them away from the clutches of the Democrat Party which promises them stuff in exchange for their votes. Obam did a fabulous job convincing millions that he was going to pay their mortgages and put gas in their cars. (now 2 1/2 yrs later gas is 4 bucks a gallon)
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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I'd like to see at least a dozen African Americans, a dozen Arabs, a dozen Orientals, a dozen Hispanics and a dozen Islanders, a dozen disabled people, a dozen war vets in the TP before I take them seriously and not have just a token.
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Consider them taken seriously.
www.wnd.com...



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
i dont care if a republican came up with that idea i know for a fact that the democrats will never use any republican idea...


I am not following you here. It was created by a Republican and adopted by a Democrat. The initial criticism was that Aldrich was too closely tied to bankers such as Morgan and Rockefeller.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
 


it doesn't matter to me who comes up with the trash its who signs it in to law

the buck stops with the president so wilson has the blame here
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by meeneecat

Originally posted by MajorKarma
reply to post by meeneecat
 


Jane Mayer, of The New Yorker,
Media Matters,
Fox News Channel,
The Guardian.

and Oh My, Janeane Garofalo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they are against the "Tea Party" maybe its time I consider joining them.

Has it occurred to anyone that Wealthy People maybe care about this country too? That not all of them are Globalist Traitors? .


edit on 24-4-2011 by MajorKarma because: Typos and expanded comment


"poisoning the well" i see? Attempting to discredit facts by insulting the source? 18 million given to Freedom Works and AFP, memos instructing Tea Party how to conduct themselves at town halls and specific questions to ask. These are all objective evidence, regardless of the reporter or new organization who first reported them. And I never used Janeane Garofalo as a source, but if you want to lie about it and link her to my comments, so be it. It still doesn't change the facts here, which you seem to want to ignore or insult rather than address.

And are you actually arguing that rich political elites care about the country? That this class of people, the same criminal corporatists who buy our politicians and pay to write the laws of this country, the same robber barons who crashed the economy so they could make millions and loot trillions from the American people, and are still making millions from war profiteering among other shady and immoral endeavors...that these people actually care about the country? Now that's something you don't hear everyday, especially here on ATS. It would be funny if the results of their neo-liberal globalist agenda weren't so tragic.


Originally posted by MajorKarmaMoreover, if you can't figure out who are the "Bad Guys", sometime looking at who are against this or that group may be way to seeing "The Truth"


You mean kinda how Mussolini was against "socialism" so he then decided to become a "fascist"? Or kinda how Muslims are against Jewish Zionism, and so we should be for Zionism? Does this mean that because Libyan dictator Qaddafi is against U.S. involvement in the country, that we should then support a war there? And what about Al Qaeda given that the U.S. was for them before they were against them? Things are so confusing when you make the assumption of there being just two sides, that there can only be two positions "for" and "against". Ah. well, such is the nature of false dichotomies...and precisely how politics are manipulated through the lens of "left vs. right", "conservative vs. liberal", "republican vs. democrat"...looks like this political tribalism is working out just as well for the "Tea Party" people too.


The OP used Janeane Garafolo to describe the Tea Party. Typical leftist garbage. Hollywood liberals do show their true face without the mask occasionally, don't they. So, is Bill Gates a rich political elite or no? He is liberal, a member of the Elite Club of Rome, and very much for using vaccines in the de-population agenda(he said it at a TED conference if you don't believe me).
How bout Soros? Is he a rich political elite? Oh wait he bought the Democrat Party and financially supports MoveOn, Huffpo, Tides, OFA, etc ad nauseum. So where are all these wealthy elites you are talking about? The ones who are supposedly paying for the Tea Parties? I can tell you that no one has paid me to attend rallies, I made my own signs. It is totally grass roots. It is local grass roots leadership who made a few suggestions to people at Town Hall meetings, not some Rockefeller type running things. Oh speaking of Rockefellers, the youngest one in a position of political power is a Democrat.
I also personally know someone who traveled with the Tea Party Express who did so at great economic risk to his/her self.
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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
it doesn't matter to me who comes up with the trash its who signs it in to law

the buck stops with the president so wilson has the blame here


But it does not get to his desk unless Congress sends it there, there was some complicity on the Republican side. The point I am trying to make is there would have been some sort of reserve system implemented whether there was a Democrat or a Republican in the White House, most Republicans favored Aldrich's plan. The Republican bill was already prepared, the only reason it did not make it to the floor was the loss of Congress to the Democrats. Once they took over they modified the bill slightly and passed it on to the President.



edit on 24-4-2011 by AugustusMasonicus because: Networkdude has no beer



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus
 


it doesn't matter to me who comes up with the trash its who signs it in to law

the buck stops with the president so wilson has the blame here
edit on 24-4-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


Wilson embraced fascism at that time, which is really and always has been nothing but leftism and Socialism. It is just a variant of the Left. the Democrats like to obfuscate this by calling Fascism an element of extreme right. There is nothing right about it at all. Even Hitler named his party The National Socialist Party, which is what NAZI really stands for.
Let us not forget that Soros himself confiscated the wealth of the people for the National Socialist Party during Hitler's reign, and without remorse.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by neo96
it doesn't matter to me who comes up with the trash its who signs it in to law

the buck stops with the president so wilson has the blame here


But it does not get to his desk unless Congress sends it there, there was some complicity on the Republican side. The point I am trying to make is there would have been some sort of reserve system implemented whether there was a Democrat or a Republican in the White House, most Republicans favored Aldrich's plan. The Republican bill was already prepared, the only reason it did not make it to the floor was the loss of Congress to the Democrats. Once they took over they modified the bill slightly and passed it on to the President.



edit on 24-4-2011 by AugustusMasonicus because: Networkdude has no beer


According to wikipedia, the Democrats ruled both houses of Congress plus the Presidency. So even though the original plan was the Aldrich plan(republican), changes were made to it to get the Democrats to get behind it.

The banking and currency reform plan advocated by President Wilson in 1913 was sponsored by the chairmen of the House and Senate Banking and Currency committees, Representative Carter Glass, a Democrat of Virginia and Senator Robert Latham Owen, a Democrat of Oklahoma. According to the House committee report accompanying the Currency bill (H.R. 7837) or the Glass-Owen bill, as it was often called during the time, the legislation was drafted from ideas taken from various proposals, including the Aldrich bill.[6] However, unlike the Aldrich plan, which gave controlling interest to private bankers with only a small public presence, the new plan gave an important role to a public entity, the Federal Reserve Board, while establishing a susbstantial measure of autonomy for the (regional) Reserve Banks which, at that time, were allowed to set their own discount rates. Also, instead of the proposed currency being an obligation of the private banks, the new Federal Reserve note was to be an obligation of the U.S. Treasury. In addition, unlike the Aldrich plan, membership by nationally chartered banks was mandatory, not optional. The changes were significant enough that the earlier opposition to the proposed reserve system from Progressive Democrats was largely assuaged; instead, opposition to the bill came largely from the more business-friendly Republicans instead of from the Democrats.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
According to wikipedia, the Democrats ruled both houses of Congress plus the Presidency. So even though the original plan was the Aldrich plan(republican), changes were made to it to get the Democrats to get behind it.


Which is exactly what I said earlier. It was always partisan politics. When it was a Republican plan they were behind it and vice versa with the Democrats.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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it is my profound belief that the left in this country is as much if not more fascist than at any other time us this nations history.

nite before last i was looking at the rise of the dap the german workers party and everything the left and obama and the creation of the all the czars and the many many other similarities to the fascist rise in germany.

the left always calls the right fascist but the sheer influence of the left is where fascism will rise.

in fact we have seen many traits already showing themselves however its not a complete fit of the nazi model but its damn close.

fdr was one of the most fascist presidents in us history one of his own quotes on facism is:




"The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it comes strong than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power."


the left has become the most powerful group in american history from unions to education to hollywood and film and television.

any group that has accumulated that much power it will and has corrupted them.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
According to wikipedia, the Democrats ruled both houses of Congress plus the Presidency. So even though the original plan was the Aldrich plan(republican), changes were made to it to get the Democrats to get behind it.


Which is exactly what I said earlier. It was always partisan politics. When it was a Republican plan they were behind it and vice versa with the Democrats.


It was close to what you said, however you failed to show the specific changes which turned it from a private enterprise to a mandatory public/private partnership. What is really telling is that the Democrats obviously did not pass a primarily Republican plan, but a plan which included elements from various proposals. You more or less presented it as a Republican plan with a few minor changes that somehow got passed by the Progressive controlled govt. Interesting eh? Consider the political posturing when in 08 we had another Progressive controlled Presidency and both houses of Congress? And what did they pass with force? Socialised medicine. And they have objected to any real cost cutting of the Republicans, so we are still spending without limit. And who is taking advantage of the Federal Reserve printing as much money as they want?????
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