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There is sufficient evidence that many atheists claim lack of belief rather than disbelief when backed into a corner.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
In order for Atheist to say they have a lack of belief in God they implicitly acknowledge God's existence. Your lack of belief in God has to be predicated on his existence or it's just illogical.
Originally posted by Watts
My only thing with Atheists is that their argument(the ones I have discussed the topic with) begins with "If there's a God, who created him? Where did he come from? How could he have already existed?"-basically saying that if man can't comprehend it, then it must not be real- while at the same time fully believing and accepting that the Big Bang just randomly came out of nowhere and created everything we have now, including the sub-molecular coincidences that allow life and our planet to even exist as we have it.
If you're gonna use a general rule of thought, it must apply equally to both sides lest we fall into an argument where someone says 2 plus 2 can't equal 11 unless I say its possible and it works in favor of my beliefs and agenda. Where did the Big Bang come from? What started it? What was before the Big bang? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? See?
To be a science bound atheist is a contradiction in and of itself. It means that you believe that the greatest most miraculous "order" ever came out of total, un-describable chaos, and that a closed system somehow became much, much BETTER over time, which is a blasphemous concept in science. So in order to be atheist, you must as a result, believe fundamental parts of established science are just as fake.
Second, people believe in black holes without seeing them directly, simply by how their gravity affects the surrounding stars EVEN THOUGH by our own laws of physics a black hole makes NO sense whatsoever... matter just vanishes into nothing and is gone forever? That's also complete blasphemy in the face of science. And yet we have total faith in something that is contrary to what science and math tells us.
I could equally say God exists because his grace can be seen through the miracles that can result from prayer such as someone who has been paralyzed for YEARS suddenly regaining the ability to walk or a hardened criminal suddenly dropping all of his bad ways and the money that comes along with it to be a better person for seemingly no reason at all.
Atheists don't disbelieve God because they think its impossible for such a being to exist, they disbelieve because its inconvenient to their day to day lives to believe such a being exists.
Is it easier for one to accept that they will have to answer for un-repented wrongdoing at the end of their life or that they can do whatever they want to whoever they want without ANY fear of punishment from a power that is supremely greater than us? Obviously the latter is more convenient... and I even admit that I "get it"... when I was a kid and snuck a few cookies before dinner, it was easier to believe I could run to my room and eat them before mom found out than to think she'll be able to notice the obviously missing cookies from the pack and fuss me out. No one wants to believe that they are in the wrong, its a part of our ego to think its the world around us that must be wrong and we are just reacting to this "flawed" world.
In the cookie example, I thought the rule was stupid because I believed I would still be able to finish dinner even though I had the cookies therefore I felt it was ok to disobey a rule from my mother. In my mind, I wasn't in the wrong, her rule was just stupid therefore I didn't need to follow it. And I think that's one of the hang-ups people have with the Bible/God.
You don't have a lack of belief in Santa Claus or a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy.
You can have a lack of belief in Islam or Christianity but not a lack of belief in God because there's no need to have a lack of belief in an entity you say doesn't exist.
In order for Atheist to say they have a lack of belief in God they implicitly acknowledge God's existence.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Again, Atheism is illogical.
How can you have a lack of belief in an entity that you say doesn't exist? The reason you don't say you have a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy or Santa is because you don't believe they exist and to have a lack of belief in a non existent entity would be illogical.
You can say you have a lack of belief in Christianity or Islam because you don't question the existence of the religions. In order for you to say you have a lack of belief in God, you would first have to acknowledge His Existence or you would be standing on illogical grounds.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Infinite regress is impossible to avoid if one invokes creationism as an answer to universe origins.
Since time began with the Big Bang, there really can be no "before the Big Bang".
It sounds as if you're invoking the 2nd law of thermodynamics here. Though I don't believe you've substantiated your claims.
Originally posted by 547000
reply to post by Mike_A
I have encountered say they believe there is no God and then when it is suggested it is a stance they invert it to a lack of belief in God. When the latter is suggested to be an untenable premise, they invert it back into the former and basically the whole thread becomes a game of semantics.