reply to post by gem_man
First, The Jewish claim to Israel rests on Judaism, and the fact that Judaism is a land centered religion. If you go through the Rabbinic writings,
Like Mishna (100 BCE), or Talmud (200 CE) or Zohar (200 CE) or the Midrashim or later Rabbinic Commentators like Ibn Ezra, Saadia Gaon, etc, the
singular concern, and their only desire is for the Jewish people to return to Israel, rebuild their temple and resume their service to G-d, with all
What other religion on Earth has 2000 + years of verifiable history?
Very few modern Jews could trace the ancestry to an ancient Israelite
And wy do you say that? The Jews not only have writings that go back 3500 years, but they have the books i listed above, and writings throughout their
exile in the diaspora, from Saadia Gaon (9th century in Baghdad) Rashi (11th century in provence), Maimonides (12 century in spain,morocco and Egypt)
all the way down to the modern era. The Jews additionally have always had a presence in certain holy cities throughout the genrations in Israel. In
Jerusalem, in Safed, Hebron, and Tiberias.
Additionally, since you know nothing about history, the elephantine papyrii dating back to the 6th century BCE make mention of a Jewish temple and a
dispute betwen the Egyptian priests and the Jewish priests. Even back than hate for the Jews was present. Hecateus of Abdera (4th century BCE) attacks
the Jews in his writings. AS does Manetho (3rd century BCE) a hundred years later, Apollonius Molon, diodorus sicilus, strabo of amasia, pompus
trogus,lyimachus, Apion of Alexandria (40 CE) makes frequent virulent mention of the Jews in his writings, as do later Romana writers like Tacitus,
Martial, Seneca, Horace.......And this of course doesnt include Philo or Josephus, both of whom give rich histories of the Jews.
The Jews thus have constant documentation in ancient non Jewish writings from 600 BCE (the elephantine paprii) all the way through to the modern
But why should they leave homes their families have lived in for generations because of their ethnicity
Um, it has already been fully documented (in Joan Peters "from time immemorial") that the majority of Arabs calling themselves Palestinians Illegally
immigrated to Israel during the 20's, 30's and 40's from Syria, Lebanon, Eastern Palestine (Jordan), Iraq, the HedJaz, Egypt and North Africa. This is
COMPLETELY documented from British and Syrian records. A syrian official is even on record saying that in 1933, 30,000 Hurani in one month immigrated
to western Palestine.
Jews are NOT a race, it's a religion.
YES. You are partially right. But those Cohanim, Leviyim and many other Jews that trace their lineage back to the biblical Jews very much qualify as a
"race". Also, this has been genetically ascertained.
But in any case, Since Judaism is the most ancient and consistent (in the sense of not having undergone myriad reformations, schisms etc) in the
world, and since the Jews have been forribly removed from their land by the Romans (135 CE), and kept out by the Byzantine Christians, and later the
various muslim rulers, and than briefly the crusaders, and than the ottomans, the British etc... 2000 years is a long time, but nonenthless, in every
generation there stood a political obstacle to returning to their land. EVERY SINGLE GENERATION of Jews 3 times a day faced Jerusalem and prayed to
G-d, and prayed to return and prayed for the former glory of their name and relationship with G-d. The Jews NEVER ceased, and the historical record
justifies this, yearning to return to their land. Rabbinic writings abound with this. You cannot find one work which does not atleast make cursory
mention of this.
Also, Judaism is a RELIGION. Meaning I could convert and seek my right to live in Israel, because Israel is the HOLY LAND, unlike other lands, for
thousands of years treated differently by hundreds of millions because they were aware of the special sanctity and holiness of this region of the
Israel is a land apportioned to the Jewish people. The Muslims can have the whole of North Africa and the vast bulk of the Middle East, Anatolia,
Central Asia and the East Indies. All the Jews deserve, and are enttitled to, since their religion predates Islam by some 2000 years, is the land of
Israel. A place for all Jews, RELIGIOUS, (meaning the majority of todays Jews are not fullfilling their duties) to serve in their capacity as priests
to the nations. A Nation of Priests.
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