Truthfully, this pudgy little pathetic excuse for a cop is lucky those kids were well mannered and didnt decide to put him down. A few kids with skateboards as weapons would have made short work of that fat piece of trash.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
1)When the video starts all you see is a 13 year old CHILD on his back on the concrete getting choked by an officer of the "law".

As stated, a video shot by, edited by, and uploaded by one of the defendants. Other video and the public at the scene unanimously support the officers actions.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
2)The first scene is a PICTURE that was taken. Other WITNESSES arrive on the scene with a video camera.

Not another witness, another defendant, as in one of the other skateboarders. You can even hear one woman walking by state “Oh your running from the police, that’s smart too”. The public that was there obviously were in agreement with the officer as well.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
No one interferes with the officer (verbal protest is NOT interference).

Yes it is, I suggest that you go read the laws. When an officer is effecting an arrest, you totally butt out. Any action by you verbally or otherwise is interference with a police officer in the course of his duty, and therefore resisting arrest. People have been known to incite riots against police to stop them from arresting someone. Police also do not like people crowding around them, as they have no idea who is armed, who might pull a weapon to help the suspect flee, or when a group might decide to turn on the officer and do him harm.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
The CHILD on the concrete does not resist (if you are being choked or otherwise physically accosted and you move that is not resistance it is called a NATURAL REFLEX).

You cannot tell from a video when someone is resisting. Police will continue to apply pain compliance pressure until the person relaxes their muscles and allows them put on the handcuffs. You can clearly see that here when he bends the one kids hand back at a ninety degree angle. He is applying pressure to the kids wrist thereby forcing him to allow application of the handcuffs. That in itself says that they kid is pulling/resisting him positioning his hands into the cuffs.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
3)At no point does the police officer seem interested in arresting any of the CHILDREN besides the one on the ground.

There is footage that was left out of the beginning of this incident which I am sure shows what that kid did to deserve being arrested, and why he is the initial one being focused on.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
3)The CHILD that took the incriminating photo says "This cop just choked him and i have a picture of it" then is told "come here" IMMEDIATELY, at which point he flees.

I suggest that you watch that again, more objectively this time. The kid makes that remark, then started to leave the scene, followed by the officer telling him to “come here”, then chasing him. The kid fled the scene, which is why he was pursued, not because he had some worthless picture. BTW, there is nothing wrong with an officer choking someone, they are allowed to apply as much force as required to effect an arrest, its called pain compliance and is allowed on the use of force matrix at the Passive Physical Resistance level. These guys were Actively Physically Resisting (ie fleeing):

You might also want to take note that on this use of force matrix that 'Verbal' is most assuredly a category. These kids were into at least the 'Active Physical' column of that chart, and the officer would have been allowed to employ Incapacitating Control (Chemical/Electrical Weapons). They are just shy of the officer being allowed to physically render them unconscious, and only two levels below 'Use of Deadly force'. People do not realize exactly how dangerous it is to disobey an officer when they are arresting you, and to what extent that they are allowed to stop you.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
4)The police officer runs approximately THREE blocks away leaving his prisoner. The teen in handcuffs stands up and paces a 1 square yard area and even proclaims on camera that he has no intention on going ANYWHERE and never even tries to leave the scene.

It was wrong for the officer to leave a handcuffed suspect, as a matter of fact it was the only thing he did wrong and was reprimanded for. If the kid had jumped out into traffic with the cuffs on, and was hit by a car, the city would have been responsible for it as he was in their custody at that point. However, when an officer puts you on the ground and cuffs you, you stay on the friggen ground until ordered otherwise. Standing up in itself can actually be considered resisting and or fleeing. It’s a lawful order, its not simon says.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
The officer then tries to detain a FEMALE CHILD (why?) who attempts to flee at which point the officer grabs HER around the throat in a choke hold and places HER under arrest.

She was also skateboarding, and interfering with an officer. Again, I am sure there is more footage that has been conveniently left out as to how this all started. Additionally, helping someone else flee, and interfering, is also considered resisting arrest:

§ 205.30 Resisting arrest.
A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents
or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting
an authorized arrest of himself or another person.
Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor.

The whole group was attempting to prevent the officer from affecting a lawful arrest of their buddy.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
At this point there is a SECOND officer on the scene that does NOTHING. If it is so serious why does he not react?

He is most likely assessing what is going on as he is newly arrived on scene.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
7)Now EVERYONE on the scene is placed on the ground and placed under arrest for disorderly contact, resisting arrest and battery.

Incorrect, again:

§ 205.30 Resisting arrest.
A person is guilty of resisting arrest when he intentionally prevents
or attempts to prevent a police officer or peace officer from effecting
an authorized arrest of himself or another person.
Resisting arrest is a class A misdemeanor.

Only the one suspect would be charged with battery on a law enforcement officer, the others would be charged with disorderly conduct (not contact) and resisting arrest.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
We never see the original CHILD resisting or fleeing nor the camera CHILD, nor the CHILD that told the officer he was being too rough on the female CHILD.

Yep, the aggrieved party conveniently left that bit out, didn’t they? However, we can hear the officer tell him at the beginning of the video; "When I tell you to stop, you stop", which means they had already fled before video started and the officer had him on the ground.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
We DO see an officer ABANDON a prisoner and attempt to arrest a WITNESS (can police tamper with a witness or is that just a civilian charge?)

Your misunderstanding that they are not witnesses, but rather additional suspects.

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Did ANYONE see the cop get battered? (ego doesn't count)

The officer states that the one kid did something to his knee when he was arresting him. You do not lay a finger on an officer, even by accident, when they are arresting you. If you do, they will open a Can-O-Whoopass on you, and you will get a “battery on a law enforcement” charge to boot.

Obviously you think that being arrested is some type of game where you have optional rules that you can use to your favor, but the truth is that once you are under arrest your rights are suspended. This is why it was wrong for the officer to leave the cuffed suspect, as once in custody the state is in possession of your body, and responsible for anything that happens to it.

After reading the top two posts above me. I think everyone else who disagreed with the cops actions has misconstrued the video in whole.
They only see what they want to see and don't even come to understand the situation. Close mindedness like this leads to stupidity.

Originally posted by jnyblujns
This pretty much explains why my first reaction when hearing of a cop getting killed is laughter. I know that's wrong on some level, but really, I can't help it. The world is better off any time one of them is done away with.

WTF?? Because ONE cop decides to get physical with some punks (who edited the film), you think that makes it a GOOD thing when one gets killed?

What the Hell is wrong with you? I know a whole lot of cops and let me tell you, compared to the general public a much higher percentage of them are good, honest people trying to make a positive difference in this world. It is people like you that place such little value on human life that's the problem.

I get so sick of comments like this.....let's show a teacher slapping a kid so we can call ALL teachers losers. Let's show an article about a doctor pimping narcotics (which happens a lot) so we can say that ALL doctors are scum. Let's show a video of a firefighter starting a fire so we can saw they are ALL arsons that just take the job so they can start fires. How about a nurse that kills people (never heard that one?) because that proves that ALL nurses are killers, right?

The police are the ones putting themselves out there in the public eye, under public scrutiny in order to do their job. They are human. Some of them are jerks, some of them are crazy, some of them are dangerous, but most of them are good men and women.

You think it's FUNNY when they get killed? You think it was FUNNY when my friend got a bullet in her head while she was responding to a call to help someone? A loving, caring woman who only wanted to help people and would NEVER intentionally hurt someone? You think THAT was funny???

YOU make me a whole lot more disgusted than that cop in the video.

Welcome to the land of the free..... thats all I gotta say.

so i guess if an officer is pissy drunk and slapping random civilians you should shut your mouth and keep it moving lest you be arrested for (insert charge here). Where are we allowed to draw the line? At what point can a civilian say an officer is totally out of line? Is an officer even capable of being out of line? (i think that might be reserved for us regular folk)

Originally posted by defcon5
1)When the video starts all you see is a 13 year old CHILD on his back on the concrete getting choked by an officer of the "law".
As stated, a video shot by, edited by, and uploaded by one of the defendants. Other video and the public at the scene unanimously support the officers actions.

Not another witness, another defendant, as in one of the other skateboarders. You can even hear one woman walking by state “Oh your running from the police, that’s smart too”. The public that was there obviously were in agreement with the officer as well.

Yeah.... her sarcastically acknowledging that running from a cop is totally her saying that she completely agreed with how the officer treated the situation. Your not assuming at all.

I get the point of saying that maybe the cop was justified, but where you there? Did you see Everything that happened? XD lol So ridiculous trying argue about who was in the right when non of us were even there to see it ourselves, just a bunch of bs conjecture from both sides.

This breaks my heart. I live in a community where scootering and skateboarding were once considered a great way for the local kids to get to school and home. In fact, when we first moved here, the school principal suggested we get our son a scooter. Two years later, the Town Hall decided not to allow skateboarding on the sidewalks and they then banned it downtown because it was upsetting to tourists. This is a town which was designed to encourage family get to-gethers downtown with water fountains and theater and festivals with bands and so on. Now suddenly skateboards were being banned, and now kids are skateboarding in the street because it was banned on the sidewalk. The local police would chase the kids around when they skateboarded downtown. That is what I see in this video and the cop is just going after some kids skateboarding on the sidewalk. But that is where our society has gone. I feel for those kids, but it is probably a local ordinance because pedestrians get upset. That cop was really trying to make a statement, I'm guessing that is his beat and he's tired of chasing the skateboarders.
Some people here assume the kids had to be doing something really bad. I don't think it's necessarily so because of my experience where I live. I bet the worst they did was not get off the sidewalk when the cop came around.
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Oh yah, I now see a post where it explains there was a city ordinance. I'm guessing the cop felt that was the only way to enforce it. It is too bad things have come to this.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
This breaks my heart. I live in a community where scootering and skateboarding were once considered a great way for the local kids to get to school and home. In fact, when we first moved here, the school principal suggested we get our son a scooter. Two years later, the Town Hall decided not to allow skateboarding on the sidewalks and they then banned it downtown because it was upsetting to tourists. This is a town which was designed to encourage family get to-gethers downtown with water fountains and theater and festivals with bands and so on. Now suddenly skateboards were being banned, and now kids are skateboarding in the street because it was banned on the sidewalk. The local police would chase the kids around when they skateboarded downtown. That is what I see in this video and the cop is just going after some kids skateboarding on the sidewalk. But that is where our society has gone. I feel for those kids, but it is probably a local ordinance because pedestrians get upset. That cop was really trying to make a statement, I'm guessing that is his beat and he's tired of chasing the skateboarders.
Some people here assume the kids had to be doing something really bad. I don't think it's necessarily so because of my experience where I live. I bet the worst they did was not get off the sidewalk when the cop came around.
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Oh yah, I now see a post where it explains there was a city ordinance. I'm guessing the cop felt that was the only way to enforce it. It is too bad things have come to this.

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Well someone seems to get/feel the same way I did. At least the kids are outside getting exercise as opposed to playing video games and watching the 80% of what tv is; garbage.