CA Senate bill mandates gay history in schools

reply to post by ViperChili

This is wild,lol,what happen to regular studies? And they won't let us teach bible classes,in school,for history. This is all wrong.They will let everything else be taught but not religion. What has this world become? I,don't agree with this.If,they teach this stuff,put it in health class,not as a separate subject,if they have to put it in school. I,personally wouldn't want my kids taught this.
what happen to freedom of speech,they can have theirs,but we can't have ours.

Originally posted by venusstarlite
reply to post by ViperChili

 

This is wild,lol,what happen to regular studies? And they won't let us teach bible classes,in school,for history.

Religion is a belief.

In itself it is not history - - neither is the bible.

i didnt even know there was a gay history.....

Originally posted by PorroAgoVetusRespublica
i didnt even know there was a gay history.....

There are many known homosexuals who have important parts in history.

They will now be recognized as being homosexual.

IMO - - it is an important distinction and they deserve recognition.

This is good news for California. But hopefully though they would get rid of bigots because they don't seem to like it as much.

reply to post by Annee


Would their contribution be less important if they werent gay?
Just wondering, because in the scheme of things that aspect seems really trivial.

reply to post by adifferentbreed


Nope, their importance doesn't degrade because of sexual orientation. If anything, letting people know who was gay and teaching about important homosexuals can in effect remove the stigma that surrounds homosexuality.

I agree that a person's sexual orientation -- heterosexual or homosexual -- is trivial in the larger scheme of things. It's just a shame that people have to be so invidious toward homosexuals. But, that's the reality of things.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
And the fact that they put curriculum focusing on disabled people on the same bill as gays? What are they insinuating?

History in the making... learn about the first gay mountain climber:


Here is an example of the video they could show in history class to learn about gay history:


I think this piece of legislation should be taught in history books as an example of how lawmakers are idiots.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by Annee

 

Would their contribution be less important if they werent gay?
Just wondering, because in the scheme of things that aspect seems really trivial.

No it doesn't.

This is a long standing persecuted minority group. It is important that they are recognized for their contributions to history and society.

It is important in breaking down the hate and prejudice.

Originally posted by venusstarlite
reply to post by ViperChili

 

This is wild,lol,what happen to regular studies? And they won't let us teach bible classes,in school,for history. This is all wrong.They will let everything else be taught but not religion. What has this world become? I,don't agree with this.If,they teach this stuff,put it in health class,not as a separate subject,if they have to put it in school. I,personally wouldn't want my kids taught this.

what happen to freedom of speech,they can have theirs,but we can't have ours.

The reason they don't allow Bible lessons/religious indoctrination in school public schools is the CONSTITUTIONAL separation of Church and State.

I went to school in Oregon, but we're generally about on par with California in terms of 'liberalness'. And you know what? We did learn some about Christianity in school. Along with Judaism and Islam. We learned some history, we learned some major players, and we even learned some major tenants. What we didn't do was learn any specific beliefs or read any holy books.

It's important for children to be educated about religion in the context of history and culture in order to do well in such a diverse society as we have in the United States, but schools are not the place to engage in study of specific beliefs. That would be crossing the line from information to indoctrination.

reply to post by Annee


I think significant homosexual people in history should be recognized, but does it have to be an important distinction?
I mean, would the students focus more on what the person being discussed contributed to society, or would they focus more on the person's sexual orientation?
Would a historical figure being discussed in class be introduced as ________ who did ___________, or would the person be introduced as __________ who was a homosexual ?

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by fenceSitter

 

Why is tolerance a one way street? Why can't gays be tolerant of my opinion? Tolerance is great, but it can not be taught. I, and I alone decide what I am willing to tolerate. Why can't gays shut up and live their lives without trying to cram it down my throat (no pun intended)? I don't care if someone is gay, if that makes them happy then more power to them. Go live your life and be happy. Why do they need my tolerance and/or acceptance in order to validate their existence? What I think about it should be irrelevant to them, just as what they think about me is irrelevant to me. I don't want to generalize and throw all gays in the same basket, because that is unfair. There are gay people that live their life and don't care what you or I think about it. Adam Lambert is a great example of that... he is who he is and he could care less what anyone thinks about it. I respect that. Ellen Degeneres is another good example. She is who she is and lives her life without trying to run mine. The Rosie O'Donnell types are the ones that I am talking about. It annoys me when the media has to make a big deal when someone "comes out of the closet", like Ricky Martin a few months ago. "Ricky Martin is gay!" NO WAY... WHO SAW THAT COMING?! Like it wasn't obvious in the first place. I could care less what he or anyone else does in the privacy of their own bedroom, it doesn't effect my life in the least bit. What does effect my life is when the progressive agenda driven school districts attempt to indoctrinate my child with their lies and filth.

edit on 14-4-2011 by OptimusSubprime because: spelling

Gay people don't want to shove anything down anyone's throat, they just want acceptance and freedom from harassment, violence and discrimination. The bigots assertion that gay people have some kind of evil agenda is a regular strategy of bigots to distort the facts and incite hatred against gay people. Many bigots want gay people to just not exist and conceal their identity, which is really just a form of personal genocide; a very sick perspective to take on the subject.

Clearly the whole pretext of this thread is to incite hatred against gay people, and follows a common theme that bigots use, which is to highlight any gay friendly act as being the end of the world, when in fact covering gay and lesbian subject matter is just a small side note in the article quoted.

It's so astonishing that so many people who are wallowing in ignorant bigotry are so attracted to a site who's motto is 'deny ignorance'.

A lot of you guys are blowing this way out of porportion. Maybe we should get rid of classes like film appreciation and theology classes. Maybe we should just have core fundamental classes and thats it. Narrow our childrens minds until dystopia is a reality... Just because gay studies is going to be an elective class doesnt mean its going to trump science and other skill classes. Thats just naive, using that argument to hide personal uncomfortability with the issue.

Some one asked me a question if I had a male role model in my life as I was raised by women. Yes I did. My grandmas partner Kathy. She is a total bull dyke (not using it as a derogatory term but thats what she was lol) she was like a grandfather to me. You see, I dont reconize genders as absolutes and they should not be considered such. I only see masculine and feminine qualities with people. In a homosexual relationship you will have defined gender roles. However these roles are not limited to being in a gay relationship. You can be a effeminate male and still be attracted to women. You can be a masculine girl and still be attracted to men.

Stop the judging and really think about these things a little. I know people are going to use the argument "well your judging us too". I admit yes I am but I am only judging to the point to deny ignorance. Its unavoidable.

Originally posted by Annee

Gay prejudice and judgment doesn't belong in this current generation of children.

You are not important, nor influential enough to make that judgement.

That is simply your opinion, do not state it as fact.

People are free to hate whoever they want to, for whatever reason they find appropriate.

Originally posted by ViperChili

Originally posted by Annee

Gay prejudice and judgment doesn't belong in this current generation of children.

You are not important, nor influential enough to make that judgement.

That is simply your opinion, do not state it as fact.

People are free to hate whoever they want to, for whatever reason they find appropriate.

edit on 16-4-2011 by ViperChili because: (no reason given)

The freedom of hate is a very interesting moral argument to me. I believe no one has the right to tell some one what they can and cant like but my only issue with the freedom to hate is that hate will inevidably breed violence between groups and we do not have the freedom of violence. This is a very grey area in moral philosophy and should not be taken lightly.

I have a novel Idea .

Before the Ca passes any bills like this they should make sure EVERY child will graduate can READ WRITE ALGEBRA and some history throw in FIRST !

I have seen people from CA with diplomas who can not read or read above the level of 3rd grade. Some cant read but we can teach em minority history . The social promotion does not work . When our students are again at the head of the world in learning then fine add things but when other countries are teaching their kids better than ours this is plain stupid .

Originally posted by Lostinthedarkness
I have a novel Idea .

Before the Ca passes any bills like this they should make sure EVERY child will graduate can READ WRITE ALGEBRA and some history throw in FIRST !

I have seen people from CA with diplomas who can not read or read above the level of 3rd grade. Some cant read but we can teach em minority history . The social promotion does not work . When our students are again at the head of the world in learning then fine add things but when other countries are teaching their kids better than ours this is plain stupid .

Our children are not dumb because of an expanded ciriculum, they are dumb because of a plethora of other factors which have absolutly no bearing on homosexual education. I believe gay education is a good thing and should not be thrown out just because of the state of our schools. If you want to fix our schools you need to focus on many other things.

Originally posted by TheKnave

Originally posted by ViperChili

Originally posted by Annee

Gay prejudice and judgment doesn't belong in this current generation of children.

You are not important, nor influential enough to make that judgment.

That is simply your opinion, do not state it as fact.

People are free to hate whoever they want to, for whatever reason they find appropriate.

The freedom of hate is a very interesting moral argument to me. I believe no one has the right to tell some one what they can and cant like but my only issue with the freedom to hate is that hate will inevitably breed violence between groups and we do not have the freedom of violence. This is a very grey area in moral philosophy and should not be taken lightly.

I am not making a judgment or telling anyone what to think.

In a generation where Kobe Bryant is fined 100 thousand dollars for making a gay slur in anger.

In a generation where the founder of Chick-Fil-A - - - has speaking engagements canceled because of donations to anti-gay organizations.

. . . . plus many more real-life situations that make it clear this coming generation will not tolerate in-tolerance toward gays.