Originally posted by torqpoc
Thank you for the well thought out response. I'll take the time to respond to yours.
I don't think the "Arabisation" of France is the issue. Having lived there many years I think it is ingrained in the culture now. The Islamisation
is another story, one which I won't even attempt to discuss here, however for the record I have read the Qu'ran.
To my eyes ; the Arab cultural practices seemed out of place in the heart of rural France . But it is indeed a changing world and this is by no means
a unique situation valid only for France .
On the other hand one could argue that the beach resorts and tourism to be found in North African countries are also result of Europeanisation of
North Africa .
I have also read the Koran , Bible , Tevrat too .
On to the Burqua issue again and your comments about Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite. You're right about the terminology, but when it was "thought"
about is another era. The social, political and cultural issues we have today were not around, so .. it's a tangible link to use, but ok let's
Well , these principles are eternal .
They are not meant to be based on an ' era ' .
Actually , European moral superiority rests on these types of principles , does it not ?
By passing a legislation against personal choice in garments ; one is suspending these principles and that be would a situation worthy of King
Midas'es era indeed .
A child can step up and call for the truth any moment : King is naked !!!
The liberals will be in uproar at the fact any government dares to oppress a "people" and dictate to them what they can and cannot wear. I don't
doubt they will be, they will spout their rhetoric about "it is the beginning of the end" etc.. however sadly I don't think they really are
thinking about their emotionally driven desire to defend their "freedoms". Let's make a simple link here for those reading. The wearing of the
swastika will end you up in prison in Germany. Are the Germans in uproar at the fact they can't wear the Swastika? I don't think so, yet.. the
government dictated to them it was illegal. Similarly in the UK you cannot wear a bike helmet when entering a bank, in case you are intending to rob
it. Are all the bike riders in the UK in uproar?
These examples are not on par with the issue at hand here . It is rather difficult to find another issue similar to burqa issue .
The security angle have been played a lot . I don't see how a burqa wearing women is any different then a coat wearing women .
Both have ample hidden spaces to wear a suicide belt .
Recent suicide bomber in Russia wasn't wearing a burqa , she was wearing jeans and a ski jacket I believe .
There are Muslim women who wear the Burqua out of choice, you are right. However if you actually find and read the verse in the Qu'ran which
discussed this issue, there is nothing within it which states they should be covered from head to foot in a garment which only allows for the eyes to
be seen. The practice was born out of a male driven oppressive society. Should we decide to not allow that women to wear the Burqua even if she wishes
to? That is the question, and the government of France decided yes.
Practice actually was born out of female rationalisation of power structure thru image . That is , some women discovered that they could attain some
type of power with garments they choose to wear .
Men forcing women to wear burqa needs education of Kuran .
That is the medicine .
France has decided to punish women who freely wear this garment .
I think I know French well enough , I could say this law will be overturned in future .
They chose to because of the far greater number of women who wear the Burqua because they are told to, forced to, by their husbands. Husbands who hide
behind a misinterpretation of the Qu'ran to subject their women to abuse, in France.
It is entirely within the rights of the French government and French people to make that decision. They did so and with the applause of many people..
and yes indeed our rights will be taken away to rapturous applause, one day, not this day.
It is of course for the French to decide what goes on in their country .
A word to the wise , burqa thing got a funny way of cathing up with it's oppressors .
Next guess might be to ask muslim men to not wear their beards long and also not wear traditional clothing of their ancestors .
If French people wants it , they can also have this too .
Would it be the right thing to do ?
No , imho .
If a majority of Muslim women do not want to wear the Burqua but their husbands beat them until they do, who should stand up to defend their rights?
Do we continue to hide behind our daily newspapers as women and children are battered, or do we.. as a nation say stop. Today France decided to say
stop. I don't think it's quite the same as deciding to invade Iraq or Libia under false pretenses though.. one could argue that where the ball
should stop rolling is when something illegal is being done.. I don't think the French government deciding what can and cannot be worn within it's
boundaries can be thought of as illegal, yet I am sure many Muslims will try to say it is.
Many muslim women who voluntarly wear this garment will be offended and rightly so .
As long as this law don't persecute those women who wear thing out of their own will , then it should be OK .
We'll see how it goes .
My guess is that this law will not be enforceable in certain areas in France and thus de facto division of population will have begun .
Carefull not to further ingrain the ghettosation of suburs . That is what my advice would be to any sane French citizen.