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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
There is a good case for Jesus. It fits the rest of the biblical story.
Then what you're saying is that you can get from creation to Jesus because you personally believe the bible. Why then do you believe that book instead of any of the scores of other religious texts that also reference a creation? At some point you'll need to rule out all those others and provide the convincing evidence that establishes the bible's claims as being the correct and true one. Though really, I don't think there's been any convincing evidence presented that the universe or anything in it was created by a deity.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Israel is the light unto the nations that covers sin.
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Israel's crimes against humanity
More crimes against humanity...
I claim there's dozens of more peaceful countries than Israel...Iceland for example.
edit on 14-4-2011 by SuperiorEd because: (no reason given)
I could go on and on and on and on but you should just read the Bible yourself. All the proof you need is in it.
Originally posted by graphuto
First of all, I'd like to thank SuperiorEd for this amazing thread. I'd like to add to this thread much in the same style that you have been presenting it, from Scripture.
Daniel 11:33
And the wise among the people shall make many understand, though for some days they shall stumble by sword and flame, by captivity and plunder.
Psalm 119:130
The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.
To the guy that has responded to almost every single one of SuperiorEd's posts with "where is the proof, where is the proof?" It seems that you have very strong bias against the idea of God. It seems that you aren't even reading the scriptures that Ed is quoting to you. Please actually read all of the following scriptures, just snippets taken from the bible, and you will have all of the proof that you need.
Luke 12:12
For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
2 Timothy 3:7
Always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
Job 28:12-13
“But where shall wisdom be found? And where is the place of understanding? Man does not know its worth, and it is not found in the land of the living.
1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
John 3:8
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Romans 16:17
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
I could go on and on and on and on but you should just read the Bible yourself. All the proof you need is in it.edit on 17-4-2011 by graphuto because: Moar
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by graphuto
I could go on and on and on and on but you should just read the Bible yourself. All the proof you need is in it.
Proof of what people BELIEVED to be true 2,000 years ago...NOT poof of reality. Not everything people write is the truth, and that counts not only today, but also 2,000 years ago.
The Bible has not been dismissed by billions of people...
thousands of years of scholarship
continuing archeological confirmations
The Bible stands. It continues to be found accurate in its historical records.
It continues to astound historians with nuggets of information confirming our origin as a species.
part from what we know from the history in the Bible, we would have little clue of any of our history as a people.
Source
Finally, the biblical account of events of the Exodus from Egypt in the Torah, and the migration to the Promised Land and the period of Judges are not considered historical in scholarship.
Apart form the Bible, we would not have a clue about the history of Egypt.
apart form the Bible, we would not have printed books.
We would not have freedom.
I could go on, but if you know your history at all, you will recognize that the Bible is central to government, freedom, justice, equity and every other human quality that can be considered civilized.
Compare this to what has been found to be less than factual. The Bible (rather someone in the Bible) calls Pi 3.0 instead of 3.14159. OUCH! It simplifies creation to an easily understood sequence.
It has scribal errors that amount to a hill of beans after thousands of years.
I give the Bible my vote of confidence any day.
Originally posted by graphuto
If you read the bible you'd realize that things such as having ones skin flayed off mean nothing.edit on 18-4-2011 by graphuto because: (no reason given)
Those are amongst the worst passages in the Bible
Originally posted by graphuto
If you read the bible you'd realize that things such as having ones skin flayed off mean nothing.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Those are amongst the worst passages in the Bible
You have to understand it's how some understood things back then,
plus some passages from the bible are older stories, past on generation after generation, and the story might be altered a bit, or changed, just like your evolution theory.
A story evolves and it is something else at the begining. I find odd that you base your study only on the bible, and then come to the conclusion that there is no god.
Why not study other things as well that connect to the bible.
Maybe you need a sign,
your own expiriance to witness that there is something far greater than we can imagine, that there is a god.
When you have one of those, you can't deny it anymore.
It all resumes to what would you do then when you found out that it exists ?
Originally posted by graphuto
reply to post by madnessinmysoul
Either way, the fact that these people actually flayed a woman for whatever reason is proof enough that they do not understand the word of God.
Proverbs 14:12
There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
But test everything; hold fast what is good.
James 2:8 ESV / 2 helpful votes
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.
I'd like you to point out which of the verses I quoted actually have anything to do with what you're talking about.
Job 28:12-13
“But where shall wisdom be found? And where is the place of understanding? Man does not know its worth, and it is not found in the land of the living.
The Bible even tells us of people such as yourself:
2 Peter 3:2-3
That you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Acts 13:41
“‘Look, you scoffers, be astounded and perish; for I am doing a work in your days, a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.’”
Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 18:2
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 10:14
The wise lay up knowledge, but the mouth of a fool brings ruin near.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
You are absolutely correct. The average time it takes a person to see counterfeit truth is nearly instant. The Bible has not been dismissed by billions of people,
thousands of years of scholarship,
continuing archeological confirmations
and academic rigor from universities spanning the globe.
The Bible stands.
It continues to be found accurate in its historical records.
It continues to astound historians with nuggets of information confirming our origin as a species.
It tells the future.
Apart from what we know from the history in the Bible, we would have little clue of any of our history as a people.
Apart form the Bible, we would not have a clue about the history of Egypt.
Apart form the Bible, we would not have printed books.
We would not have freedom.
I could go on, but if you know your history at all, you will recognize that the Bible is central to government, freedom, justice, equity and every other human quality that can be considered civilized.
Compare this to what has been found to be less than factual. The Bible (rather someone in the Bible) calls Pi 3.0 instead of 3.14159. OUCH! It simplifies creation to an easily understood sequence. I'm shocked.
It has scribal errors that amount to a hill of beans after thousands of years.
Not surprised really. It contains stories that seem, on the surface, not plausible. Compare this to the new findings in science and physics and more of it comes to light each day as we are only beginning to understand our quantum universe.
I give the Bible my vote of confidence any day.