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Anti-Zionism = Anti-semitism.

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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Do you know from where the world nazi is comming from?

There is som much to learn about this and you will find this interesting I would say.

Religious Jews have Minhagim, customs, in addition to Halakha, or religious law, and different interpretations of law. Different groups of religious Jews in different geographic areas historically adopted different customs and interpretations. On certain issues, Orthodox Jews are required to follow the customs of their ancestors, and do not believe they have the option of picking and choosing. Therefore, observant Jews at times find it important for religious reasons to ascertain who their household's religious ancestors are in order to know what customs their household should follow. These times include, for example, when two Jews of different ethnic background marry, when a non-Jew converts to Judaism and determines what customs to follow for the first time, or when a lapsed or less observant Jew returns to traditional Judaism and must determine what was done in his or her family's past. In this sense, "Ashkenazic" refers both to a family ancestry and to a body of customs binding on Jews of that ancestry.

In a religious sense, an Ashkenazi Jew is any Jew whose family tradition and ritual follows Ashkenazi practice. Until the Ashkenazi community first began to develop in the Early Middle Ages, the centers of Jewish religious authority were in the Islamic world, at Baghdad and in Islamic Spain. Ashkenaz (Germany) was so distant geographically that it developed a minhag of its own. Ashkenazi Hebrew came to be pronounced in ways distinct from other forms of Hebrew.

In this respect, the counterpart of Ashkenazi is Sephardic, since most non-Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews follow Sephardic rabbinical authorities, whether or not they are ethnically Sephardic. By tradition, a Sephardic or Mizrahi woman who marries into an Orthodox or Haredi Ashkenazi Jewish family raises her children to be Ashkenazi Jews; conversely an Ashkenazi woman who marries a Sephardi or Mizrahi man is expected to take on Sephardic practice and the children inherit a Sephardic identity, though in practice many families compromise. A convert generally follows the practice of the beth din that converted him or her.

With the integration of Jews from around the world in Israel, North America, and other places, the religious definition of an Ashkenazi Jew is blurring, especially outside Orthodox Judaism. Many Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews have joined liberal movements that originally developed within Ashkenazi Judaism. In recent decades, the congregations which they have joined have often embraced them, and absorbed new traditions into their minhag. Rabbis and cantors in most non-Orthodox movements study Hebrew in Israel, where they learn Sephardic rather than Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation. Ashkenazi congregations are adopting Sephardic or modern Israeli melodies for many prayers and traditional songs. Since the middle of the 20th century, there has been a gradual syncretism and fusion of traditions. This is affecting the minhag of all but the most traditional congregations.

New developments in Judaism often transcend differences in religious practice between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews. In North American cities, social trends such as the chavurah movement, and the emergence of "post-denominational Judaism" often bring together younger Jews of diverse ethnic backgrounds. In recent years, there has been increased interest in Kabbalah, which many Ashkenazi Jews study outside of the Yeshiva framework. Another trend is the new popularity of ecstatic worship in the Jewish Renewal movement and the Carlebach style minyan, both of which are nominally of Ashkenazi origin.

Do you know who was the real people behind ww2 and the genocide i germany? the real reasons? or the only reason to be correct!?

en.wikipedia.org...




posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Youre an illiterate moron.

"Nazi" is a condensation of the German "Nationalsozialismus" ie; "Nazi, for short.

To imply that religious Jews were behind there own massacre is #ing idiotic.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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I am neither illiterate or stupid, but rather literate and competent with the knowledge to understand in order to distinguish falsehood from truth. You should read and form your own opinion of human history and religion BEFORE you acknowledge your own ignorance on the subject. But I'm guessing that you are disappointed right-wing extremist? clan member? or maybe Ashkenazi Jew? Furthermore, I can tell you that if you read your history Komer you discover that Adolf Hitler was a Freemason like most of the top tier in the Nazi Party. During World War II lived Ashkenazi Jews unconcerned and was not persecuted, while Sephardic Jews every persecuted and murdered. The Nazis murdered not only the Sephardic Jews but also Gypsies or others who were considered to be disruptive to the Nazi Party's agenda, namely "their" vision of the "Third Reich" Furthermore, this action by the Ashkenazi Jews startegiskt perfect and well thought out.

First and foremost was the Sephardic Jews are the only ones that actually knew about Ashkenazi Jews real origin, and that they embraced Judaism as "their" religion, but here we're talking about two different things and this has a tendency to become opaque. In World War II was one of history's worst genocide of the Jews, then the real Jews (the Sephardim) as 90% of today's Jews are the so-called östjudarna / Ashkenazim. These Jews are from areas in the east as Russia, Poland, Romania. This is in contrast to the small minority of Sephardic Jews who come from the Jewish center in Spain, before 1492då they moved from there, and from the Arab world.
All of Israel's top leadership is made up of Ashkenazi Jews. Zionists are all Ashkenazi Jews from Poland and Russia.
A study published in the major Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot July 23, 1976 showed that 80% of Israel's elite (government officials, Knesset members, managers, etc) comes from an area of ​​only 60 mile radius around the city of Pinsk in Belarus!
I.e. Israel and Zionism are totally dominated by Ashkenazi Jews, ie Eastern Jews.

Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Khazar people who inhabited southern Russia and the Black Sea.
In the 700 century AD searched this warlike people a state religion. It rejected the Muslim and Christian envoy who tried to persuade the Khazars to adopt their teachings. At the same time, Judaism was in crisis and needed an injection of new adepts. Khazars with their martial tradition and grab mentality was excellent candidates for this unique Jewish mission. The Jews sent ambassadors and managed to persuade the Khazar leaders about the benefits of becoming part of the "chosen people". Therefore, the Khazar people converted to Judaism and became full-fledged Jews.

Later crumbled in the Khazar kingdom. The last Khazar brackets around Odessa appeared in the 1000's AD The Khazar Jews, however, maintained their religion and came to form the large Jewish ghettos in the East. It is from these ghettos of our day-Zionists later recruited.

But writing these facts is not popular among our Zionist antagonists.

In his file on the "Holocaust denier" Ahmed Rami and Radio Islam, of the US-based Jewish organization ADL (Anti-Defamation League) official website, raises Islam information about the khazarjudiska connection to Ashkenazi Jews.

An information saved by the ADL as one of the many horrors of this Jewish "human rights" organization found on the Radio Islam website. ADL writes indignantly:

"Further More, According To Radio Islam, the Jews Are Not the" Chosen people "for They Are not" 'descendants' of the mythic Jews of the Bible. "Rather, today's Jews are" descended from Mongolian and Other Asiatic peoples WHO HAD ADOPTED 'Judaism' as Their 'religion' over 1.000 years ago and begged Become know as "Jews.

Often advanced by Identity believers, this theory vouchers That most, if any note, Ashkenazic Jews descended from the Khazars, an obscure Turkic people Whose leaders Converted to Judaism in the eighth century. While Identity adherent employer this theory in order to bolster Their assertion That Anglo-Saxon whites ARE Actually the Biblical Church of Israel, Rami the uses it to showcase thats the ancestors of the Jews were notes from Palestine, implying That Israel has no right to exist. "

David Fischer is a jew researchers in Sweden, whose dissertation "Jewish life - a survey among members of the Stockholm Jewish Congregation, (Megilla Publishers, Uppsala, 1996) praised by leading Jewish film. In his thesis (p. 25) goes Fischer in to "the oldest links between the Swedes and Jews who are documented" and give there all without reserve as an example when the Swedish Vikings in the 800s came in contact with the Khazars "in the area around the rivers Don and lower reaches of the Volga. "
If the Khazars tells Fischer to "a large part of them, including most of the nobility, merchants and kings converted in 700's to Judaism."

Jew Theodore Katz writes in his review of read Koestler's book, the menorah, no.4, 1976, that "many chazarer [ie Khazars] were Jews and their kings had Jewish names, such as Joseph and Benjamin," and then cross safely:

To many chazarer became Jews is a fact.
And the Jewish Museum in Stockholm's own paper which is distributed to museum guests about the Swedish-Jewish history, mentioned the Vikings' meeting with khazarena as the first example of meeting between the Swedes and Jews. Thus, we considered that the Khazars were full of Jews. With these quotations it becomes clear that completely ridiculous to say the least cool to the Swedish Committee Against Antisemitism try FLATLY DENY khazarjudarnas presence.

As early as 1944 wrote of the Palestinians resident Jewish scholar Abraham N. Poliak - later professor of medieval history jew and Head of the Department of Middle Eastern and African Studies at the University of Tel Aviv - the book "Khazaria". In the book he draws after the acknowledgment of their research the following conclusion about what became of it converted to Judaism khazarfolkets descendants:

"... Those who stayed where they came, those who emigrated to the United States and other countries, and those who went to Israel - constitute the bulk of today's Jews."
The Jewish Khazaria This is a map taken from the major Jewish encyclopedia Encyclopaedia Judaica. It shows where the Khazar foket come from, where their realm Khazaria low.

In the 800s AD adopted this Turkish-Mongolian people from Southern Russia Judaism as the state religion, and since that Khazars full Jews. As you can see call Encyclopaedia Judaica indeed Khazars for "Jews" - "Jews". Today, descendants of the Khazars, over 90% of today's Jews, and all the Zionist movement is controlled by the Jews of Khazar origin.
It is therefore an extremely fraud when Khazar-Jews today claim they are "returning from the 2000 embezzlement" when they invade and steals from the Palestinians in their country.
The Jewish writer Arthur Koestler has written an extensive work - in Swedish published under the title "The thirteenth tribe" (the book was first published in English in 1973 entitled "The Thirteenth Tribe". The Swedish edition was published on Hallonquists Publishing Company 1992), which deals the Khazar track to today ashkenazijudar.

Arthur Koestler writes in the book (p. 209) on the conclusions he draws:

"The evidence adduced in the preceding chapters form a strong argument in support of the modern historian - an Austrian, Israeli or Polish - who independently maintains that the vast majority of Jews today are not of Palestinian, but of Caucasian descent."
And Koestler writes further (on the page. 210):
"It would be foolish to deny that Jews of different origin also contributed to the current world Jewish community. It is impossible to determine the number of Khazars in relation to the other, Semitic injections. With the accumulated evidence the mass of the eyes become you still inclined to agree with the Polish historian's unanimous opinion that "the vast majority descended from the Khazars country in ancient times" and that the Khazars contribution to Jewish genetic composition must be significant and probably dominant. "

Although other literature than Poliaks and read Koestler takes up the Khazars. For example, Kevin Alan Brooks's book "The Jews of Khazaria" which was published as late as 1999 (Jason Aronson Inc.). The book, however, is more cautious about khazarjudarnas impact on the ethnic composition of today's ashkenazijudar.
To demonstrate knowledge of the Khazars is not some obscure theory put forward by the dusty Stoller, I can tell you:
Brooks book hailed by prominent Jews such as John D. Klier, Professor of Modern jew history at University College, London, Rabbi Shlomo Yaffe, Head of the Institute for Jewish Literacy in the Chabad House, West Hartford, CT, Yigal Rechtman, writing in The Journal of The Jewish Genealogical Society of New York and Samuel Kurinsky, head of the Hebrew History Federation Ltd..

Recently, the knowledge of the Khazar Jews also come to be exploited by popular literature and in France active Jewish writer Marek Halter, for example, has written a historical novel set among Jews in the Khazar kingdom. The title of the book is "Le Vent des Khazars" and was published in 2001 (at Éditions Robert Laffont).

In light of the knowledge of Ashkenazi-Jewish Khazar roots are the Zionist dogma on return after 2000 years of displacement and diaspora are not only hollow, they constitute a lie of enormous scope. A lie that both had on all these Ashkenazi Jews, who believes that they have biological ties to the Holy Land, but also a brazen lie that has been used to dupe the outside world when the reference to "the Jewish people's" historical ties to Palestine received support for the Jewish mass immigration and colonization there.

This madness continues apace. The Jew Chronicle, No.3, 1990, you can read excerpts from a statement by the then VAAD, the Jewish national organization for all Jewish communities and organizations in the Soviet Union. VAAD describes ashkenazijudarnas emigration and mass immigration to occupied Palestine as "a process of national Jews returning to their historic homeland." And Jackie Jakubowski writes in his leadership of the Jew Chronicle (No.3-1998) which is a number entirely devoted Israel's 50th anniversary, where he is talking big about the Zionist dream: "the attainment of a persecuted people's dream to return to their homeland "

"Return"? To "their homeland"? Then they will go down well, as they khazararer they are, to southern Russia and not to Palestine in order to kill and occupy, if it really is "home" they want.
Moreover had Jakubowskis journal Jew Chronicle a long 3-page article "Khazars" in nr.4-5/1988, an article where they tried to do the difficult feat of both acknowledge that there have been khazarjudar but dismiss this fact relevant to today's political realities in the Middle East.
During the first imperial period, the first Christian century, estimated number of Jews in the Roman Empire to about 10% of the total population of 150 million, thus 15 million.
It was only about a million ethnic Jews in the then provinces of Judaea and Palestine, and several million more in Rome's eastern provinces of Syria, Egypt, Africa and in the capital, Rome.
Most Jews were thus converts. Emperor Nero's wife Poppaea was a jew converts.
After the Roman Empire collapse continued recruitment of converts in the Byzantine Empire, and particularly among those from Asia's internal penetrating Turks and slave peoples.
You should not confuse the real Jews of Ashkenazi Jews are those that actually are not at all Jews from the beginning. The real Jews were not only slaughtered during World War II, but it created a sympathy around the Jewish people and now looked to Jews as "a people". 1948 decided the united nations to grant the Jews the state of Israel. Now began the conflict with Palestine, and since 1948 there has been another genocide, but now these Palestinians and the Jews who are not Ashkenazi may once again suffer for these "fake" Jews. With whose rights may be united nations decide this? Ashkenazi Jews are represented in almost all world governments directly or through their bundsförvalter: Illuminati and the Masons who are able to influence world governments decisions for their slumål: a new world order called for, among other things: The Third Reich and so on.

I regret your ignorance, but I hope that you take your time and study what that actually has happened and what is true. Do not forget that a lie hidden among a thousand truths to hide the truth is now widely known.
Do not blame the real Jews and do not blame the Arabs and blame on the ignorance and admit the truth when you read it. Also, remember the war that is going on in Libya right now and who to blame. The real jews and the arab people is once again the target for the ashkenazi jews conspiracy that is the only conspiracy which is now revealed and the ww3 has already begun, dont you see it?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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That Wiki article is fascinating - in particular I noticed the population figures associated with the so-called "Holocaust." Wiki states that there were about 8.8 million Jews in Europe at the time, and that about 6 million (the classic number) of them were murdered in the Holocaust. However, I have seen, and can only suppose they are official, census figures in the Jewish Encyclopedia which totally contradict the loss of that many Jews from the European area in that time frame. It's a LIE, and I have seen it in the Jewish Encyclopedia! If you can one in a library, go check it for yourself. 6,000,000 dead Jews is a lie - they even tried to foist it off after WWI, but no one believed it then, and more and more are coming to disbelieve it today.

Dontreally is losing traction in this thread, if he stoops to baseless name-calling, don't you think? I think you are not a native English-speaker, but you are obviously learned. My fez is off to you, sir! As for me, I am thinking of posting some excerpts (maybe the entire thing) from Nord Davis' famous "Star Wars" essay - now that's Star Wars in the sense of the "eternal war between the people of the five-pointed star and the six-pointed star."


edit on 23-3-2011 by Lazarus Short because: more to say



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Thanks for your correction and I would rather have written it is estimated the total number of murder victims who were murdered in the Holocaust was six million. and of these, about 2-3 million were Jews, the figure is, however, I doubt whether it is true and I'm talking about all the murdered and also how many of those that actually were Jewish. The point is not how many people were murdered but to highlight the provenance and the difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardic-Jews. I apologize for the mistake and thank you for your correction.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Anti Zionism is as related to Jews as the Mafia is to the Italians. I'm anti Zion and anti Mafia thugs. Enough Said! I'm for everyone who are involved with any of these organizations however. The sin and the sinner are two separate things. Send light to everyone, ask for their awareness to grow, for them to wake up and make U-Turns in their lives. They ones who are seeing more, and more aware and actually here, to help the ones who are going the wrong way down the highway including those in higher positions.
edit on 23-3-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 04:44 PM
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God bless



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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However, I have seen, and can only suppose they are official, census figures in the Jewish Encyclopedia which totally contradict the loss of that many Jews from the European area in that time frame.


HUH?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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However, I have seen, and can only suppose they are official, census figures in the Jewish Encyclopedia which totally contradict the loss of that many Jews from the European area in that time frame.


HUH?


Is that really your best answer ??
No disputing the post with facts of your own ??

Personally "HUH?" doesn't add much to the debate..
The posters words stand till disproved..



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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What does this background info have to do with your thesis (that the Jews were behind their own holocaust)? For one, it ignores the prodigious history of antisemitism. To imply that the Germans didnt do what they did, would be to say other anti-semitic pograms which happened in others countries and in other times were aswell creations of the Jews. Would this not have to be argued to justify your point? In the early 20th century pograms were rife in Eastern Europe: In Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Romania, and Russia proper. This is the same "civilized" period of history that the German nationalism grew out of. And secondly, one need just look at Nazi propaganda and National Socialism ideology (along with Nazi mysticism, couched as it is in German paganism) to understand why the Jews represented the very evil that the German spirit rebelled against.

To quote Hitler

"“The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”" Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 220

Thus, in order to create the world Hitler forsees

“If only one country, for whatever reason, tolerates a Jewish family in it, that family will become the germ center for fresh sedition. If one little Jewish boy survives without any Jewish education, with no synagogue and no Hebrew school, it [Judaism] is in his soul. Even if there had never been a synagogue or a Jewish school or an Old Testament, the Jewish spirit would still exist and exert its influence. It has been there from the beginning and there is no Jew, not a single one, who does not personify it."Robert Wistrich, Hitler's Apocalypse, p. 122; from a conversation with Croatian Foreign Minister General Kvaternik, July 21, 1941

To put it bluntly, in Hitlers own words,

“They refer to me as an uneducated barbarian. Yes, we are barbarians. We want to be barbarians, it is an honored title to us. We shall rejuvenate the world. This world is near its end.” Rauschning, Hitler Speaks, p. 87



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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:35 PM
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if you read that line of his it isnt legible, hence "HUH".


This one.

However, I have seen, and can only suppose they are official, census figures in the Jewish Encyclopedia which totally contradict the loss of that many Jews from the European area in that time frame.

Seems perfectly legible to me..
They are stating that census figure in the Jewish Encyclopedia seem to go against the figures given for the holocaust..



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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Actually, jackass, if you read that line of his it isnt legible, hence "HUH".


Wasn't legible?? I didn't think it was handwritten. Hah! I see more of the side-stepping and Nazi-rattling. Why don't you tell us what you really think?



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Zionist = Anti-semitism



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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I would like to write this in separate posts, so you can address each one individually.

And, what is zionism to you?

Define for me Zionism. What did the Jews of Europe have to gain from killing most of their own?

And second, and most importantly. Jews arent one homogeneous unit, with the secular looking out for the religious and vice-verca. For a man who seems to have such a grasp of Jewish history, you should know that being a Jew, as defined by the Talmud is one who disavows Idolatry! One who is an idolator, yet ethnically Jewish is as much a hellenist and Egyptian, in the symbolic sense as the bible means, as the pagans of the past!

Secular Jews are pagans. Reform Judaism, as is known to the religious, grew out of sabbateanism and frankism (if you even know what this means) of the 17th and 18th centuries. It is no coincidence that in 1666, Sabbatai Tzvi proclaimed himself to be the long awaited for Jewish Messiah. In gematria (and it is quite meaningful that he went according to the secular calendar) 666 is the value of Tassur - to deviate. It was the beginning of the great devitation of Jewry from their Judaism!. Louis Brandeis, the namesake of Brandeis university, the great jewish liberal university, had a picture of Jacob Franks daughter sitting on his desk in his office.

This is just to give you some background understanding, which you would prefer others not to know. The Secular establishment Jews HATE religious Jews. They think of them as primitive. They have the same belief system as the other elites of Europe.

So if you want to say that the secular Jews were in cahoots with the elite of europe in colluding against Europes Jews, i would agree with that. How the word "nazi" is derived from Ashkenazi however is pointless. It doesnt matter. Actually, it probably is an abbreviatation of Nationalsozialismus. But, if you want to think it means Ashkenaz, this only proves your ignorance of the Hebrew language. The father of the german peoples was Ashkenaz. Ashkenazi refers to Jews living under Teutonic peoples. It has nothing to do with location, but with a people. Why would the Nazis call them selves "Nazis", why not, Ashkies? Or Ashkenazis? or Kenazis? Shekans? This is the most pseudo-scientific etyomology for the word Nazi that i have ever heard. You base it on nothing more than a similarity with Ashkenazi. Meaning, the Jews obviously killed others Jews, than made a huge deal of it to get their own state. As if the gentiles who persecuted them for generations in any felt a need to listen to the Jews.

The creation of the state of Israel is a meaningful event to the secular zionists. Secular. Secular. Understand the distinction between religious Jew, and secular "Jew", which as I mentioned before can be expressed by Trotskys changing his name from Bronstein to Trotsky. Its a de-Judazing. Israel is a de-judaized society. Judaism, in no weay shape or form has any influence in Israel society or government. Look for instance at the contempt the government shows towards its own history, and ancient holy sites (Temple mount, Cave of Macpelah, Rachels Tomb, Samuels Tomb etc). This government has a disdain for Judaism, and thus for traditional Jews: whether religious in the classical sense or with traditional Jewish values (which are held by christians aswell).

The difference between them is the difference between paganism, and the bible. It can reduced to nothing less.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ben81
Zionist = Anti-semitism


Yes, and anti everyone else too!



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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For one, he made a mistake in his grammar.

Second, he needs to post links to justify his statements.

Third, if his remarks are true, what makes the Jewish encylopedia the only authority?

His argument is fallacious, and thus, ridiculous.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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So if you want to say that the secular Jews were in cahoots with the elite of europe in colluding against Europes Jews, i would agree with that.


So some Jews suffer Anti-semitism ??
What a tangled web we weave.....



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Please Stop the Personal Sniping and address the topic.

You are free to attack theories, explanations, posts, etc. but not fellow members.


The topic:

Anti-Zionism = Anti-semitism.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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For one, he made a mistake in his grammar.
Second, he needs to post links to justify his statements.
Third, if his remarks are true, what makes the Jewish encylopedia the only authority?
His argument is fallacious, and thus, ridiculous.


His grammar was fine and is a silly argument anyway..
He also gave his source, he doesn't have to link..
You can do your own research to discredit if you wish..

The rest is just opinion...



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