Anti-Zionism = Anti-semitism.

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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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At the end of this rant ive posted about Helen Thomas' latest blame the Jews escapade in her article in playboy magazine.

According to her, "Israel controls it all". Which is in other words ignoring the power that many secular/christian leaders wield, or the influence of China, the Arab League, Russia. No. to her, its all the Jews..oops "Zionists".

Not just that, Israel is the absolute worse oppressor in the world today. Ignoring what China does. Ignoring the ACTUAL genocide in Sudan. Ignoring what the turks are doing to the kurds. Essentially, ignoring the facts. It doesnt matter that the Heshemite king of Jordan killed more palestinians in one month ( over 10,000 were killed during black september, 1970) than Israel has killed in all its wars. Forget the facts! Forget the 200,000 killed in lebanons civil war! Forget that. That isnt politically expedient! Whats important is the few hundred Palestinians that were killed in operation cast lead. That is the singular issue preventing world peace. Jewish settlement in the "west bank" (Judea and Samaria, the most Jewish parts of Israel) is literally regarded by Obama, Hillary clinton, and others, as the biggest obstacle to middle eastern peace. Apparently, somehow, Israeli building in East Jerusalem caused the Libyan uprising.

Forget the fact that the British/US/French created the very arab countries and installed those very dictators that the western media today condemns as oppresive dictators. Forget the fact that the west has always schemed against the state of Israel. Look at the johnathon pollar incident. So many people believe the Jews had support in their 1948 war against the Arabs, otherwise how could they have won? They were severely outnumbered, and outgunned...yet this they say with no proof! At all. On the contrary, before the arab war, the British and Americans were arming the Arabs to the teeth!. In 1947 Harry Truman placed an arms embargo on the middle east. Israel had scant weapons before that, and they prevented them from getting any more. In 1948, David Ben Gurion - the corrupt western puppet pretending to give a crap about Jews, blew up the Altalena, which was transporting arms (illegally, of course. Since the west had prevented Israel from defending themselves) for Israels defence, killing 17 fellow Israelis.

The picture is much more complicated than the 'anti-zionists' among you think it is. There are two disparate, and completely different factions that call themselves zionists. One are religious Jews, who infact are zionists. The religion of Judaism is built around the concept of Zion ("my heart yearns for zion"). On the other hand, there are Secular establishment Jews, with all the money and power. They are the little weasels who work with the illuminates (the non Jewish elite, which is substantially larger than their Jewish plebs). These people do not at all identify with Jews, or Judaism, and despise everything about their own ancestorial traditions. They work hand in hand behind the scenes with the gentile elites to undermine the world historical program of the Jewish people.

All of the evidence shows this. The treatment the Jews have recieved follows orwellian logic completely. They continue to repeat Israel-Palestine, Israel-Palestine, Israel-Palestine, Israel- Palestine until people have this subject completely welded into their psyches. Eventually they manage to create the perception that Jews have an innordinate level of influence on society (which is true, not just in banking and politics, but also in medicine, science, literature, technology. This has less to do with a 'conspiracy' than it does to do with their level of literacy, and high standard for success), and that is true. However, the Rothschilds, Warburgs etc, arent where they are because theyre wily businesmen. No, the establishment of the past specifically gave these Jews prominent positions in order to create the perception (read machiavelli if you think political theory is a simple subject. It is profoundly convoluted!) to the world that the Jews are in power. Now, in the 21st century, this view has generated conspiracies as wild as Jews controlling the world governments since ancient times.

Jews to some are Greedy Capitalists. To others, theyre bolshevik communists. To both, the Jews have used hollywood to corrupt the masses. Again, this is an ILLUMINATI statagem, with agreeable Jews in the front serving as the willing scapegoat.

Its not hard. The Elite of Europe have always despised the Jews (just read the ancient latin poets or Tacitus, Apion, Plutarch etc. They all despised them, and all wrote horribly libelous things about them. Apion for instance developed the idea that the Jews celebrate the Sabbath to commemorate the tumurous growths on their testicals during their exodus from Egypt. This disease he says is called "sabbatosis' in the Egyptian language. Thus you see, even in alexandrian times the elite of that day knew how to make up stories and convince others of their truth.) and it didnt change during Egyptian times, or in Grecan times (seluecid empire. Antiochus IV who forbade circumcision, sabbath, and eating of pork. He actually sacrificed a pig in the holy of holies and squeezed the oil out of its flesh and rubbed it on all the sacred garments. This eventually led to the maccabean revolt) or In Roman times (Vespasians conquests, Titus' destroying the 2nd temple, Hadrians genocide of the Judeans. Destorying 985 towns, killed hundreds of thousands and displacing millions of others) or in Byzantine times, or in Christian times, or under Arab rule, or in the middle ages (with the crusades, inquisitions) or in poland, or in communist russia, or in Nazi Germany.

Yet, Helen Thomas assures us in this article that its 'not our fault". Excuse me Helen, but it IS your fault. Anti-semitism isnt a local phenomenon. It has existed amongst every group the Jews have lived with. To blame the Jews is to turn the victims, into the culprits. Which is the most horrific form of evil. So, everyone of us has to be aware of whats being said about Jews today, or "Zionists" (and please understand, MOST Jews are zionists. And for those of you who like to post pictures or videos of religious Jews protesting Israel. Neturei Karta represents a modicum of a percent of Religious Jews. Most are against Israel as a secular society. Virtually ALL insist that Israel is their homeland, and therefore they qualify as "zionists", and are crammed in with the secularized Jews who have no reverence for Israel, no respect for religious Jews, or Arabs (since they manipulate them) and are as 'liberal' as in, are willing to justify any action (being relativists) as liber the roman dionysus represents.. Most Jews are Zionists. If you dont be careful you might become the very Germans in WWII who so many today question how could they fall for the propaganda. Whats happening today is a reframing of antisemitism under a DIFFERENT WORD. This again is orwellian logic. Words change realities, and perceptions. Just by changing one word, they have made people believe, irrationally, that a zionist is something different from a Jew, even though the vast majority of Jews are zionists. Another example is "public relations" as a substitute for propaganda. Changes ones perception completely, even though it is essentially the same idea)

Helen thomas, i believe, is only the first prominent exponent of a belief that already has a huge following especially on the internet. Soon enough more big name politicians, celebrities will come out and protest the state of Israel, and Zionists as the source of the evil and corruption in the world. I wouldnt be surprised to see that when the Fed gets auditted, most of its investors will be Jews. This will definitely add to the rancor of an impoverished america (if the economy were to collapse) towards the "zionists" ie; Jews. They will embody the guilt of those who are truly guilty. The sufferring of all will lead to the suffering of the Jew, who is innocent, as a sacrifice to the god of the New World Order.

An old Chief Rabbi of Moscow once said "The trotskys do to the evil, and the bronsteins pay the price". In other words, the non-religious, corrupt, gnostic establishment court Jews - ie; "Trotsky" (who de-judaized his name ie; extirpated Judaism from his being) are the ones knowingly presenting themselves as powerful and authoritative, but the innocent, simple Jew, whether a secular or a religious, who for the most part are as decent and normal as most people, suffer for it.

This nonsense has got to stop.




posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Helen Thomas: Modern-Day Haman?

by Chana Ya'ar
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Former journalist Helen Thomas told an interviewer for a pornographic magazine recently that her anti-Zionism is fully intended.

The 90-year-old modern-day Haman was fired from her long-time job as a White House correspondent for Hearst Corporation for virulently anti-Israel remarks. Not exactly a fluffy bunny herself, she told Playboy magazine she “knew exactly what she was doing” when she said that “Jews don't belong in Palestine,” and they should all “go home to Poland, Germany and the United States.”

For good measure, Thomas told the interviewer in the article to be published next month that the White House and the Congress are “in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies.”

Thomas claimed she has nothing against Jews in her latest diatribe. “I think they're wonderful people. They had to have the most depth. They were leaders in civil rights. They've always had the heart for others but not for Arabs for some reason. I am not anti-Jewish; I am anti-Zionist.”

She continued with the rant that got her fired, however, complaining that Jews “carry on the victimization... American people do not know that the Israeli lobbyists have intimidated them into believing that every Jew is a persecuted victim forever, while they are victimizing Palestinians.”

Meanwhile, she said, she cannot understand why it is so important to continue to bother with remembering the Holocaust. “There's nothing wrong with remembering it,” she remarked, “but why do we have to constantly remember? We're not at fault.”

Her final salvo was the instant replay of the oft-repeated stereotype of the Jewish controlling financial mogul in charge of the world:

“It's very open everybody is in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies, which are funded by wealthy supporters, including those from Hollywood. Same thing with the financial markets. There's total control. Not just two percents.”

No comment on the funding from Saudi Arabian royalty to the universities of America, nor on the influence of the Arab oil market.

www.israelnationalnews.com...


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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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China is a God compared to Zionism....I would rather live under 1,000 Hu Jintao's than 1 Benjamin Netanyahu's...



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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good post, just keep in mind... israel will have its day.


also keep in mind that in every religious group/sect, group of people, or nationality; there is a a faction that has more power, money, intellect, control, etc. it just so happens that the israelites have been a step ahead of everyone for hundreds of years.
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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I think this tendency to group up people is inaccurate and foolish.

I prefer to make assessments on a person to person basis, rather than by grouping up people.

But a good example is Joe Biden, he said publicly several times he is a Zionist. But hes not Jewish. So being anti-Zionist doesn't equate to anti-Jew. Anyways, that's just a perfect example of how all of these labels and terms we give to each other are silly and absurd.

I like cool people who are nice. I don't like uncool people who are really mean.

I am a simple guy, and I like to make divisions based on actual reasons derived from real life actions per each individual.

Over-generalizing and arbitrarily categorizing people into groups unrealistically isn't quite my cup of tea.
But whateva! To each their own...



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:23 PM
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Did i read that right?

I bet a million, trillion dollars, you would prefer to live in Israel, than anywhere in China. You would have more freedom in Israel, than China.

And i think if you knew the facts, you would agree with that. You would probably also prefer to live in Gaza or the west bank, than have to live in a corporate slave labor community in communist china. You would have more freedom in Gaza, than there.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by WJjeeper
good post, just keep in mind... israel will have its day.



And what about Sri Lanka? Oh yeah sure, no one cares about Sri Lanka.

Just you wait buddy, Sri Lanka will have it's day soon too!

And you will have no choice but to face the wrath of the swimming Elephant!



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by WJjeeper
good post, just keep in mind... israel will have its day.



And what about Sri Lanka? Oh yeah sure, no one cares about Sri Lanka.

Just you wait buddy, Sri Lanka will have it's day soon too!

And you will have no choice but to face the wrath of the swimming Elephant!


uh, im confused?



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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I love these types of threads.
So without looking at anything else except zionists and jews and their differences, how is anti zionist anti jew except for the fact that zionists use jews as shields, scapegoats and fodder.
Please if youre trying to defend jews, youre not doing any service by using the same old worn out shoes to dance in.
Jews, real jews are great people.
A zionist can be anything or anyone but their still a zionist and they know no G_d.

www.jewsnotzionists.org...


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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Anti-Zionism is not equal Anti-Semitic. Zionism is an extreme political movement supporting Israel (you don't have to be Jewish to do this) and to be Anti-Semitic is to be against Semitic people and their language and culture which consist not just the Jews. Helen Thomas is Semitic for example.

Helen Thomas' statement was more about Israel's influence in America and she is completely correct. I believe it was Congressman Graham who said "Let's get one fact straight: We ARE pro-Israel, pro-Zionist." If you can't see how deep Israel's hands are in America, then you truly are blind.

About her ignoring China, Sudan etc. You again fail to realize that there is NO criticism of Israel. NONE. Do you understand that at all? Every major country is criticized for its policies and actions, but Thomas criticized Israel and she gets fired because of it. Shouldn't Israel get its fair share of media attention on its problems?

And where does she say "Israel is the absolute worst oppressor"? Again, you seem to be extreme in your views. All she did was call attention to Israel's and its treatment of Palestinians. But, to you, that should be a secret.


You should learn to be more fair in your views and see both sides of the story because you did not understand her side at all.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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so because i support israel as an independent and sovereign nation that makes me a zionist? you "anti-zionists" are rediculous, you say your not againast the jews, but your against giving them their own land? quit being hypocritical and admit your true motives/agendas.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:01 PM
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Hi Everyone.

Responding to your post, I am half jewish and have spent time in Israel and have Israeli friends. Israel is a fascinating country to visit. Hebrew influence in the west is very strong in all areas. Israel brought us our law and morality, particularly through Christianity. Christianity, let us not forget, is very much Hebrew in origin!

The holocaust was one of the biggest and nastiest acts of genocide ever to take place in this world through all history. It is still one of the biggest and the motives for it so inhuman, barbaric and insane. That is why it should be remembered so that all of us in the world can avoid making that mistake again.

Many of the Arabic neighbours of Israel do not want Israel to be there. Because of the The Shoah "holocaust", Israeli people, from the rich to the poor, chose to return there after such a decimation of the people. Of course there was much plotting and underhand means used to achieve this; there always is. The truth is that this is the nature of humanity. The madness of history continues; invasions and wars. Every nation plays this game and always has done. However, we must not single out the Jewish people as scapegoats. All through history the Jews have had a hard time in other countries and cultures. It is only because they have a certain mystique of their own, inherent in their cultural and religious practices and are well organised and do communicate between communities internationally and have always done so. This leads to fear and mistrust. Yes, they are a clever and resourceful people. That is how they have survived, even after two thousand years of no homeland. Quite impressive in my opinion.

I feel for every child, woman and man who has to suffer the consequences of war, Jew and Palestinian alike. If only human beings could realise that really we are all one people and that life is sacred, just as Yeshua (Jesus) taught us to even love and pray for our enemies. If we all followed that advice then there would be no such thing as war and infact no enemies.

One day, one day, I really believe we will come to this stage of there being no more enemies. Sooner rather and later!

Shalom!

HOTA



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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No. to her, its all the Jews..oops "Zionists".


You lost me with that.......
She said Zionist..You want to make this yet another Jew hating thread..
Your agenda is clear when you deliberately lie about what was said in your first few lines..



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Fact is,
If you believe in a god, all before you belongs to him/her/it. If you talk about society, then that is groups of people with a kindred spirit, most humans have a basic kindred spirit, why should that kindred spirit have ever been diverted into borders and "race" and "religion" Are Jews a race, certainly not. What is a race? what is a tribe? what is a racial tribe? what is sovereign. Who are the chosen ones, who are more cruel that others, who are more cruel because of their religion blah blah.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Define Zionist for me.

And I dont think the negative connotation the word zionist has, should taint the Hebrew word Zion, that preceded this movement some 3000 years. One who yearns for Zion, that is, redemption from the sufferring of this world, through service to the one G-d and honoring the 7 universal commandments, should not be subjugated to these conmen who are no different from the illuminati.

So that would be the main issue. There is no 'faction' that is Zionist. There are elites, 98% of which are gentiles, and a very small 2 % Jewish. The 2 % calls itself zionists, which apparently means something about Israel, and wanting Israel. Some expand this idea to world domination, despite the lack of proof for that.

My problem with Zionism, is its lack or verity. There is literally no difference between the Jewish "zionist" leadershp, the Anglo-American establishment, the European aristocracy, The Vatican, The Eltie of China, Russia, or the Arab Magnates, Sheiks, Caliphs. All these people constitute a group of power, and all work together towards the same goal.

That may sound crazy. If it is 'out there" atleast understand that different interests exist in the world, many of which are much larger and more powerful than the Zionists. Only difference between them (zionists) and the rest is that the "Zionism is evil and racist" idea has been megaphoned the world over.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Hahahahahaha. Really? Zionism is about a political viewpoint and an oppresive one at that, not about Judaism or Jewish people and you are blind if you think the 2 are equivalent. And aside from Zionism, the Israeli Jews are doing the same thing to the Palestinians that the Nazi's did to the Jew's. How's that for irony?

I've used this picture in several places already, but genocide is genocide.




posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Aye. What a trifling argument. "helen thomas is a semite". Fine, would you prefer me use the word anti-Jewish? Anti-semite was coined in the 19th century to express bigotted anti-Judaism-Jewry. It is something that has occurred again and again in history.

You should realize that her mentioning that (yes, i saw the video of her mentioning that) is meant to confuse you. She had turned the issue on its head, by attacking the semantical misuse of the word 'semite' to Jews, even though everyone is fully aware that Anti-Semitism refers to a dislike of Jews.

Yes, It is a misnomer. Other peoples, Arabs, are semites. However, that is completely IRRELEVANT to the discussion.

The issue is the gargantuan disproportionate publicity Israel gets in the News, relative to other humanitarian issues that deserve mention. The fact that there are more people protesting Israel, than the outrages nad idleness of the UN/West towards Darfur, or the Kurds, or even the slaughter of Iraqis/Afghanis by the US military abroad should be enough to imply that whats being done is deliberate. It doesnt happen because it MERITS it. It doesnt. Therefore, there must be another reason propelling this anti-Jewish ship.

There is ALWAYS A political reasoning for why certain things become big issues. Governments are ALWAYS conspiring with other governments against their own people. The US (NSA) for instance spies on British citizens, while the British spy on US citizens. Both countries prohibit spying on their domestic populations. When forced to swear before a grand jury that they are not spying on their people, they can TECHNICALLY say yes, even though they know they exchange information with british intelligence and they with them. Canada and Australia have the same relationship.

We live in a massively corrupt world.



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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What is zionism?

Oppresive is an adjective. Now bring in some nouns. What do they believe?



posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by dontreally
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What is zionism?

Oppresive is an adjective. Now bring in some nouns. What do they believe?


Semantics, everyone knows what they mean even if the phrases are incorrect..

I see very few that are truly anti-jew yet that gets thrown out often..
Call it whatever you wish..
People do not like the Israeli agenda and many of their hypocritical actions..
They also know that a small minority, aligned with Israel, control much of the western government and banking..

How they "word" their comments may be technically incorrect but their concepts are not..
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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by dontreally
 


Hahahahahaha. Really? Zionism is about a political viewpoint and an oppresive one at that, not about Judaism or Jewish people and you are blind if you think the 2 are equivalent. And aside from Zionism, the Israeli Jews are doing the same thing to the Palestinians that the Nazi's did to the Jew's. How's that for irony?

I've used this picture in several places already, but genocide is genocide.




GENOCIDE? oh please, its called eviction...land lords/property owners do this quite often.





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