Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by Lazarus Short
Goyim is Hebrew for nation. Israel herself is referred to as "Goy Echad" a singular nation. A special nation.
Do you see how words, and repitition of words can carry new and different connotations after awhile?
Zionism refers to Judaism. And it is not ethnic, but religious. Does anyone here understand and respect this distinction? So far. Not many.
Goyim, is a freaking Hebrew word that means nation. Jews are referred to as goyim in some contexts. Do most people know that? Nope. They hear goyim, they hear it said in a pejorative manner, thus goyim is a secret term for the subhuman non-jewish people. Does it actually mean this? Do Jews when they refer to Goyim mean it in a derisive way? Most, do not. Some Xenophobic types, do. I no more support that attitude than i would any other type of racism.edit on 21-3-2011 by dontreally because: (no reason given)
There are several different forms of Zionism. From the 1920s until the 1970s, the dominant form was Labor Zionism, which sought to link socialism and nationalism. By the 1920s, Labor Zionists in Palestine established the kibbutz movement, the Jewish trade union and cooperative movement, the main Zionist militias (the Haganah and Palmach) and the political parties that ultimately coalesced in the Israeli Labor Party in 1968.The top leader of Labor Zionism was David Ben-Gurion.
Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism; alternatively spelled Naziism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany. It was a unique variety of fascism The term Nazi derives from the first two syllables of Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei. Members of the Nazi Party identified themselves as Nationalsozialisten (National Socialists), rarely as Nazis. The German term Nazi parallels the analogous political term Sozi, an abbreviation for a member of the Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (Social Democratic Party of Germany).
Could you define for me what zionism is?
The problem is this lack of a definition.
Anti-Zionism = Anti-semitism.
To think that the Jews are in any way shape or form, a threat as the Nazis were, is ABSURD. Clinically insane! The Jews have no where near the manpower or the military power to take on neighboring Arab powers. It would be suicide, especially considering the bellicose Muslim mentality.
Israel has nukes and are therefore much more threatening than Germany ever was.
Originally posted by dontreallyTo think that the Jews are in any way shape or form, a threat as the Nazis were, is ABSURD. Clinically insane!
Could you define for me what zionism is? The problem is this lack of a definition.
A second form of Zionism was the Revisionist movement led by Vladimir Jabotinsky. They earned the name "Revisionist" because they wanted to revise the boundaries of Jewish territorial aspirations and claims beyond Palestine to include areas east of the Jordan River. In the 1920s and 1930s, they differed from Labor Zionists by declaring openly the objective to establish a Jewish state (rather than the vaguer formula of a "national home") in Palestine. And they believed that armed force would be required to establish such a state. Their pre-state organizations that included the Betar youth movement and the ETZEL (National Military Organization) formed the core of what became the Herut (Freedom) Party after Israeli independence. This party subsequently became the central component of the Likud Party, the largest right wing Israeli party since the 1970s.
Although many Jews became Zionists by the early 20th century, until the rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany and the institution of a "Final Solution" to exterminate world Jewry, most Jews were not Zionists. Most orthodox Jews were anti-Zionist. They believed that only God should reunite Jews in the Promised Land, and regarded Zionism as a violation of God's will.
The areas captured and occupied in 1967, especially the West Bank, were important to religious Jews because they are the core of the biblical Land of Israel (Judea and Samaria). Consequently, Israel's victory in 1967 gave rise to a more religious variation of Zionism. Some existing political parties representing orthodox Jews came to embrace religious nationalism, and new parties and movements formed to advocate Israel's permanent control and extensive Jewish settlement in the West Bank and Gaza.
Originally posted by demoncleaner
reply to post by WJjeeper
OK How about giving me my own land because my religion says that America was the land chosen for me by my god. Never mind the people living there, they must just give a part of it to me because my religion says so.
How about giving me a blank cheque and military aid to establish and enforce a system of oppression and apartheid.
Americans had much to say about the apartheid in South Africa but do their very best to maintain the status quo in Israel, which has been condemned by the UN and almost every other right minded individual who cares about human rights.
How can America be so critical, being the bastion of democracy and the upholder of human rights when they contribute to a country that flouts international law and any common sense or decency.
Try and look at it objectively and you will see that Israel is a nation of terrorist who does not give a damn about international law or human rights. They believe they have the right to do whatever the hell they want and scream anti-semite as soon as a word is spoken against them. Even going so far as to call other jews anti-semites for daring to speak out against the the atrocities committed by Israel.
Yes the wheel does turn and Israel will have its day for your sake I hope your not part of Israel when it does!!!!