Bill on Texas Secession presented to Texas Legislature, page 3
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reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 10:25 PM by GullibleUnderlord
reply to post by whaaa



i think it is going to be us that is sweating , after this weather we are already having food crop issues and if this happens with texas we are going to be out a lot of meat and milk .maybe other states will join texas and start there own trade agreement.
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reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 10:36 PM by RedmoonMWC
Originally posted by RedmoonMWC
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post by Lemon.Fresh



You have to remember one thing about Texas: Texas has the Right to Seceed as they were an independant Republic before they joined the United States, one big difference from the rest of the states.
They also do this every once in a while just to stir up the people in Austin and let them know the natives are getting restless.


I stand corected!


Article 1, Section 1 of the Texas Constitution states that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States..."

Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other "free and independent State") from the United States. Joining the "Union" was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government "experts"—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

It's no secret that more than once there had been previous rumblings about secession among many U.S. states (and not just in the South), long before the South seceded. These rumblings met with no preemptive quashing of the notion from a "constitutional" argument, precisely because there was (and is) no constitutional basis for either allowing or prohibiting secession.

www.texassecede.com...




reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 10:38 PM by Lemon.Fresh
Originally posted by whaaa
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post by Lemon.Fresh


. . .
But cut of their mail, internet and let em sweat for a bit.



Awesome.

We will keep our cows, sheep, goats, cotton, cereal crops, 1/3 of US oil, and all of our electricity that we give/sell to other states..

I am sure Texas can connect to internet without the help of the US, considering one of the US's main information corridors goes through Dallas.

Tech in Texas is second in the US only to SIlicon Valley.


reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 10:48 PM by Sinnthia
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Funny thing. You said every two years.

I said is not happened in quite awhile. It was proposed but not brought before the legislature in 2009.



I said nothing about proposals being brought before the legislature. I am glad you could find some stipulation under which your "correction" might make sense but you have to go back and change what I actually wrote in order make it work and I am not sure you can do that. This gets a little old every 2 years. When did it come up last? 1 year 11 months ago. Again, reading would help.


Follow the link I gave you. It says

--Each year the Census Bureau releases the Consolidated Federal Funds Report, which estimates the amount of federal spending in each state and territory during the prior fiscal year. The latest report allocates approximately 92 percent of total FY 2005 federal spending. The 8 percent not allocated includes net interest outlays, foreign aid, and other outlays that are not allocable to the states. For the purposes of this report, the Tax Foundation uses this census data as is.--

Answers your questions, if you bother to read.


Actually I read it and it still does nothing to address the disaster funds I spoke of. Maybe you are just randomly responding to ideas you hoped to argue against?

There must be a reason you have to leave that part out.

Yeah . . . it is called getting the rest of our money back.


Ah, empty, pointless, devoid of fact sarcasm. Good argument.


reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 11:05 PM by whatukno
reply to post by manta78



So what? Do you not think those companies would move if all of a sudden they didn't have any ability to trade with the world? Please, be realistic. If Texas Seceded from the Union (god we can only hope) Texas wouldn't automatically be recognized as a country by the world. So no one would trade with them. Those companies, instead of loosing billions in the transition would simply move to some other state in the United States and keep going.

Not to mention that the second that the US pulled all assets out of Texas Mexico along with several other foreign countries would invade.

Oh it would be a wonderful sight to see that state leave.

Just make sure to take Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and FOX News with you when you go.
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reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 11:09 PM by kinda kurious
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Ummmm. Not sure how to tell you this but.......

Hint: If Texas (cough) secedes, they'd no longer be in Top 500 of American companies.


reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 11:11 PM by manta78
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I did not state that I was in favor of secession, only correcting an error in Golithion's post regarding the number of fortune 500 countries within our state; although imo, we are one of the few states that could possibly do so and be self sustaining.




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reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 11:11 PM by buni11687
Im not really sure how the Federal Government would respond, considering Texas may have the largest onshore natural gas field. The Barnett Shale.Barnett Shale

The Barnett Shale is a geological formation located in the Bend Arch-Fort Worth Basin. It consists of sedimentary rocks of Mississippian age (354–323 million years ago) in Texas. The formation underlies the city of Fort Worth and underlies 5,000 square miles (13,000 km2) and at least 17 counties.


Some experts have suggested the Barnett Shale may have the largest producible reserves of any onshore natural gas field in the United States.[1] The field is proven to have 2.5 trillion cubic feet (7.1×1010 m3) of natural gas, and is widely estimated to contain as much as 30 trillion cubic feet (8.5×1011 m3) of natural gas resources.[1] Oil also has been found in lesser quantities, but sufficient (with recent high oil prices) to be commercially viable.


Maybe the Feds would pull another Iraq on us, since we do have some oil.

Anyways, I find it highly doubtful that Texas would end up succeding from the United States.


reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 11:21 PM by whatukno
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Frag that! If Texas Secedes from the Union those homes should be burned to the ground. Can't have homes of Traitors on our sovereign soil. And forget Visas, if Texas leaves the very next day Congress needs to pass a law completely barring entry into the United States under any reason to anyone from Texas.


reply posted on 7-3-2011 @ 11:33 PM by Lemon.Fresh
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Your founding father's were traitors.



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