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I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Originally posted by newnature
That gift teaching has caused a lot of people to miss out, trippe what those creeds of man do?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Come on, it's not a long passage, give the whole bit.
Also, why aren't you using the KJV?
I thought you were one of those "For some reason I take the 1500+ years removed translation of the texts into a language removed by many hundred years and a few linguistic lineages over all else" groups.
Also, in this passage David is talking about the Torah. He's not talking about any other religious texts, just the 5 books of "Moses".
Furthermore, this thread is improperly titled. This is not theological, this is doctrinal. Do not confuse statement of religious belief with theology.
In fact, you didn't even bother with theology as you didn't examine any positions, you merely asserted a single doctrinal tradition on prayer, one typical of Anglo-American fundamentalist Christianity. Theology is one of the areas where religion attempts to be honest with itself and highlights that there are disagreements. Were you practicing any sort of theology, you'd at least mention that there are several doctrinal positions on prayer. There are some that neglect the use of the Bible in prayer, instead asserting the importance of meditative prayer, direct communion. Others emphasize glossolalia.
This is not theology, this is preaching. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just prefer people labeling things correctly. You have every right to preach, just don't call a wax sculpture an apple.
Originally posted by newnature
I agree with you, one can do one or two of those manifest of the power from on high. But for one to say I do not have the gift, that one was taught wrong; another way to control people, "You do not have the gift!" or "That died with the apostles!" It is sad to see people getting cheated, all one has to do is move one's mouth and speak?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
Well, I guess being ignored means one of (at least) two things:
Either there is a genuine ignorance as to the practice of theology and quite a few Christians think that preaching = theology.
or
There is a lack of honesty in the title that is not being addressed. Odd...oh, it says against thy neighbour, sorry, I thought it applied to people's whole lives. Well, you're not bearing any witness against anyone, let alone a neighbour, so I guess I should just leave that quote be.
Anyway, I don't get this thing with certain Christians, these hit-and-run tactics. Why do you refuse to respond when I question something? It is quite an honest question, as I'll phrase it directly:
How in the name of all that I hold dear is this theology?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Come on, it's not a long passage, give the whole bit.
I only wanted to highlight the last part. Secondly, who cares? The Chapter and verse breakdown was done in the 14th century to make memorization and finding a particular verse easier.
Also, why aren't you using the KJV?
It doesn't matter for Psalm 138:2, I could have, just picked the first that showed up on my Google.
I thought you were one of those "For some reason I take the 1500+ years removed translation of the texts into a language removed by many hundred years and a few linguistic lineages over all else" groups.
Patronizing? Really? You're better than that.
Also, in this passage David is talking about the Torah. He's not talking about any other religious texts, just the 5 books of "Moses".
David only held the "pen", the author is the Holy Spirit.
Furthermore, this thread is improperly titled. This is not theological, this is doctrinal. Do not confuse statement of religious belief with theology.
Theology is the study of God and His nature. This thread is about God and what is most important to Him.
In fact, you didn't even bother with theology as you didn't examine any positions, you merely asserted a single doctrinal tradition on prayer, one typical of Anglo-American fundamentalist Christianity. Theology is one of the areas where religion attempts to be honest with itself and highlights that there are disagreements. Were you practicing any sort of theology, you'd at least mention that there are several doctrinal positions on prayer. There are some that neglect the use of the Bible in prayer, instead asserting the importance of meditative prayer, direct communion. Others emphasize glossolalia.
Look up a few definitions of Theology or "theology proper". The word itself should tell you what it attempts to study.. "Theo".
This is not theology, this is preaching. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I just prefer people labeling things correctly. You have every right to preach, just don't call a wax sculpture an apple.
Theology is the study of God and His nature.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Well, I'd have added more because it's context. This is clearly with regards to the work of the Torah and nothing else.
Ah, so you're inconsistent.
Not patronizing, highlighting how insane the idea is.
[citation needed]
Last time I checked, the concept of the Holy Spirit wasn't around yet. Also, honestly, I'm quite sure an omniscient being could do better in terms of literary rigor.
Also, why do you keep holding to this idea that a divine being wrote this book when it included nothing that actually helped save human life?
No, this thread is about you specific doctrinal beliefs as stated without explanation or backing or refutation of the many existing positions which contradict it.
Again, this is preaching, not theology. You're not studying, you're preaching.
Patronizing dismissal? Wow.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So impatience is your excuse? You know, you could have said "more to come" or just titled this "Thoughts: Prayer". Or, crazy thought, waited till you had access to a proper keyboard so you could write out a lengthy post. Don't you bother to read your own book? Paul describes your deity as one of patience.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So impatience is your excuse? You know, you could have said "more to come" or just titled this "Thoughts: Prayer". Or, crazy thought, waited till you had access to a proper keyboard so you could write out a lengthy post. Don't you bother to read your own book? Paul describes your deity as one of patience.
Why are you adamant I respond to you in a swift and concise manner for one thing?
There are several things I have presented to you and heard crickets so far from. But am I crying about that? Nope.
Secondly, if I'm at work which is quite hectic and busy I can't really spend time on a lengthy response, those are better left to sitting at home on my PC, not on my cell phone. I may log on and read replies, but other than posting a simple one line reply is kinda not easily done while I'm at work.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Well, I'd have added more because it's context. This is clearly with regards to the work of the Torah and nothing else.
I'll keep this short before the topic is completely obliterated on the first page alone...
Great, you would have added more, I'll keep that tidbit of useful information in the back of my head for the next time I'm on Jeopardy and the topic "What Would Madness Do?" pops up.
Ah, so you're inconsistent.
If you say so. Just because I prefer a version doesn't by default mean I cannot read another version. For the passage quoted the versions don't matter, they carry the exact same meaning.
Not patronizing, highlighting how insane the idea is.
No, you presented a complete fabrication of the position I hold to, tried to pass it off here as something I believe.
I've never said that, and furthermore, you categorically ignored anything I said previously about the different Bible versions. You did this in a blatant condescending manner towards me, and after your reply above you've done so now twice.
[citation needed]
You're a Biblical scholar Madness, you tell me where it says the entire scripture is inspired by the Spirit of God.
Last time I checked, the concept of the Holy Spirit wasn't around yet. Also, honestly, I'm quite sure an omniscient being could do better in terms of literary rigor.
The "Spirit" of God is presented in Genesis 1.
Also, why do you keep holding to this idea that a divine being wrote this book when it included nothing that actually helped save human life?
LOL!!!! I hope you're joking. Technology and the Bible
No, this thread is about you specific doctrinal beliefs as stated without explanation or backing or refutation of the many existing positions which contradict it.
Again, this is preaching, not theology. You're not studying, you're preaching.
Theology
Patronizing dismissal? Wow.
hardly, I wasn't condescending. merely told you to take a few random web definitions of "Theology".
It's the study of God and His nature.
Originally posted by etherical waterwave
madnessinmysoul is praying in secret.