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ISRAEL NOT HAPPY - Is This The Spark

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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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You are right. It is not the ships....but the cargo. The second question is Jordan is unstable and what a distraction the ships are..........I bet as we watch the ships and the Cargo......there are other deployments from the North occurring ........Russia, etc. Watch as this gets just bad enough for a 7 year peace treaty...........




posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by minkey53
We all seem to be missing something here!

The Iranian Ships themselves aren't a big problem to anybody, Israel included. They could be taken out with a couple of Israeli F15's.

What's causing the concern is the cargo on the ships, supposedly Long Range and naughty Missiles for the Muppets in Syria, Lebanon and maybe even Gaza (eventually).

Israel are now feeling blocked in and it's a very bad idea to corner and angry dog, especially when all they want is to be left alone in peace!


As long as Israel keeps Palestinians in cages and under a 24/7/365 state of martial law they will get and deserve absolutely no peace whatsoever.

Israel in recent years have denied dozens of aide ships into Palestine because it wouldn't be able to be "The boy who cried wolf" anymore. If you think that these vessels are traveling unescorted and unprotected you are sorely mistaken because if Israel sends a trio of F15's to engage and one of the vessels is a medium sized aircraft carrier carrying 50 jets guess what? Those 3 F15's will get wiped out of the sky before they even reach the vessel as Israel ain't even got long range ICBM's that would be considerably more effective all while reducing the risk of a counterstrike by half, plus let us not also forget that Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt are all sympathetic to Iran meaning a strike on this convoy is not going to happen.
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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Israel, however will not start a conflict nor fire upon an Iranian vessel as Iran is way more formidable foe then the world gives them credit for. Israel is more infamous for picking on people who cannot fight back and will not ever pick a fight with someone they know will match them tank for tank, jet for jet and soldier for soldier.


Ok ummm Israel is probably more formidable then whole Middle East combined. They are trained from there 18th birthday for war. Every Israeli citizen is in the military for at least 2yrs. They are very well armed and trained. As reported during the first Gulf War Israel would be a formidable opponent to even the US at this point in time. I have to seriously disagree with your assessment.


You are right. It is not the ships....but the cargo. The second question is Jordan is unstable and what a distraction the ships are..........I bet as we watch the ships and the Cargo......there are other deployments from the North occurring ........Russia, etc. Watch as this gets just bad enough for a 7 year peace treaty...........


Why is it that you all are so convinced that Russia is going to be involved? Can you even provide me with anything about Russia threatening or ranting about Israel in the last I don't know 30yrs?? There is no source on the cargo. Iran said there is no weapons, no chemicals, no nuclear on board. If Egypt suspects there are weapons they are obligated by the same treaty that forces them to allow the passage to inspect those ships. They are furthermore the only authorized people allowed to force a inspection without a UN resolution.

I suspect a lot of you are just dreaming up this stuff. Nothing is going to happen it is all BS fear mongering and sabre rattling.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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I have no ideea what iran has or has not in the department of weapons...
But surely , they have a system to defend themselves from long range missiles...
Although they could have atomic bombs but after all , what we see is a theater play !

It's been like this for decades...
Who is stronger
Who has the best weapons
Who has the biggest d..
etc ...

I still hope a freakin GIGANTIC COMET OR ASTEROID hits earth...
I'm sick of what's happening on this world...
And maybe even EARTH is sick of demented humans and their habits or atomic bomb tests...



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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DON'T BET on anything...
these days everybody is for himself!
what are you talking about?
nobody whants a W W 3 !
slavery + slaves is a hell of a lot better than dead imbecyl humans



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by leaualorin
reply to post by minkey53
 


I still hope a freakin GIGANTIC COMET OR ASTEROID hits earth...
I'm sick of what's happening on this world...

This is what the PTB are hoping for, now they will offer us peace for a price and we will be so defeated that we will take it.
Hello NWO.
Personally i truly feel that Iran is just skipping down the yellow brick road to look behind the curtain.
Seems like the wizard is getting worried about it too, i wonder why.
Sick' em Toto!!

On another note, if the dome of the rock were to say get hit and start glowing for say 1 million years would that put to rest quite a bit of theology?



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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The 12 most powerful nations on the planet in regards to military :

USA - China - Russia - UK - Saudi Arabia - India - Australia - England - Egypt - France - Germany - Pakistan.

Guess who is not listed? Israel.

The most advanced and powerful nations in regards to military in The Middle East :

Saudi Arabia - Pakistan - Jordan - Iran - Afghanistan - Lebanon and then Israel.

Israel will not dare to challenge the likes of Saudi Arabia or Pakistan as both alone can and will wipe the floor with Israel.

Israel is suspected of having nukes but won't allow UN Weapons Investigators in to cheque it out leading me to believe they do not have them.

Israel itself has been itching for a big fight for quite a few decades now. The fact that Palestine continues to look the other way speaks volumes about the charecter of both the Palestinian Government and it's people.

13 Deadlines to strike Iran have come and gone without incident.

I feel it will be just a matter of time before Israel gets some mid range devices and attacks itself just to try to engage the world's sympathy. When that doesn't work they will strike a much more formidable foe and leave us in The US to clean up the mess. They've been trying to launch against Iran for this very reason.

Militarially speaking, Israel ain't that hot, they've been one upped by the likes of Hezbollah in Lebanon. If Hezbollah was able to match Israel rocket for rocket, bullet for bullet what makes Israel think it can handle an Iran? Iran currently more then has the capability to literately wipe the floor with Hezbollah and will decimate Israel in a couple weeks at most.

Iran militarially is the equal to say like a France or Jordan. Heck, they will even give The US a run for our money.

I just don't trust Israel if they are backed into a corner with no way out what they will do during that period is what scares me. When you back an animal into a corner they will become very violent and uneasy and will attack anyone.

Israel now is like a vulture with a very unheathly taste for blood now. It's like they are literately salivating and ejaculating wanting to strike Iran.

Since Israel no longer is a blind ally of The USA makes them a even more shaky group.

To others this by no definition of the term is an "Anti Israel" thread so don't even try to go there, the reality remains as they've been a threat to global peace and stability for decades now.

The IDF and Mossad are supposedly being touted as some of the most competent and best intel services on the planet yet they could not for the life of them get a handle on Hezbollah. Hezbollah also called The IDF to let them know what they were doing and about to do. If that isn't complete and total vulnerability then I do not know what is. That is why they constantly pick on Palestine because militatially they know they can defeat Palestine but you will not ever see Israel go after the likes of Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Syria because if they did they will get crushed. When Russia declared it's support for Iran you see how quick Israel backed off? The only reason why Russia hasn't engaged yet is because we've politely asked them not to and thus far is respecting our request, if it wasn't for that Russia would've engaged Israel by now.

Israel in the eyes of the world is the schoolyard bully who picks on the geeky kid with glasses and a pocket protector but will never dare to go after the jocks.

Israel up until the time it was confirmed that they first striked Hezbollah was walking around like their yap didn't stink and that they could do whatever it wanted to whomever it wanted. When Washington told Israel that since you drew first blood that you are on your own that was the very first time in decades that they showed genuine fear. Israel had to swallow a very tough pill in a reality cheque. You cannot go around irking your nieghbours because someone will push back. That would be like me constantly poking you in the chest and eventually you are going to get sick and tired of it and knock me out. That is what's going on here.

Israel will never strike someone who is a much more formidable foe.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Israel in recent years have denied dozens of aide ships into Palestine because it wouldn't be able to be "The boy who cried wolf" anymore. If you think that these vessels are traveling unescorted and unprotected you are sorely mistaken because if Israel sends a trio of F15's to engage and one of the vessels is a medium sized aircraft carrier carrying 50 jets guess what? Those 3 F15's will get wiped out of the sky before they even reach the vessel as Israel ain't even got long range ICBM's that would be considerably more effective all while reducing the risk of a counterstrike by half, plus let us not also forget that Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt are all sympathetic to Iran meaning a strike on this convoy is not going to happen.


Ummm.................... Do you even know what you are talking about? It's a Frigate named Alvand And a Cargo ship named Karg. There are no aircraft carriers??!!! No F-15's??!!

Where in world did you get Egypt and Turkey as being allies of Iran?

Turkey tends to help Iran stay out of trouble but they are at odds with Iran when it comes to tensions between the US and Iran and also tensions between Israel and Iran. In fact Turkey has assisted and lowering the tension levels between Israel and Iran on more then one occasion.

Egypt and Iran do not get along very well at all. In fact if it hadn't been for the recent revolt in Egypt Iran probably would have a heck of a lot harder time getting those ships through the Canal. Egypt has had peace with Israel for over 20yrs.

Israel has a sufficient nuclear weapons stockpile and I would have to question the validity of your statement as I am sure they have ICBM's as well. The US provided them with nukes way back in the day but Israel has worked it out on there own as well. In fact they attempted to sell some to South Africa not long ago.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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You're a closed minded, hate infested fool. Open your eyes, and stop spouting your violence. 2nd line


Resorting to personal insults because someone has a different opinion to you! That says a lot about you does it not? You have nothing in your argument if that is all you can contribute! Too late now! lol lol



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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Wow, the ignorance runs deep in you. From the sounds of your replies you are either a troll, or just a blind village idiot beating your nationalist drum for all to hear. Quite disgusting, really


Personal insults wow! As if I care what the likes of you think!



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Phantom28804

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Israel in recent years have denied dozens of aide ships into Palestine because it wouldn't be able to be "The boy who cried wolf" anymore. If you think that these vessels are traveling unescorted and unprotected you are sorely mistaken because if Israel sends a trio of F15's to engage and one of the vessels is a medium sized aircraft carrier carrying 50 jets guess what? Those 3 F15's will get wiped out of the sky before they even reach the vessel as Israel ain't even got long range ICBM's that would be considerably more effective all while reducing the risk of a counterstrike by half, plus let us not also forget that Turkey, Syria, Lebanon and Egypt are all sympathetic to Iran meaning a strike on this convoy is not going to happen.


Ummm.................... Do you even know what you are talking about? It's a Frigate named Alvand And a Cargo ship named Karg. There are no aircraft carriers??!!! No F-15's??!!

Where in world did you get Egypt and Turkey as being allies of Iran? - Ankara's recent stance to defend the Flotilla vessels sent by Tehran.

Turkey tends to help Iran stay out of trouble but they are at odds with Iran when it comes to tensions between the US and Iran and also tensions between Israel and Iran. In fact Turkey has assisted and lowering the tension levels between Israel and Iran on more then one occasion.

Egypt and Iran do not get along very well at all. In fact if it hadn't been for the recent revolt in Egypt Iran probably would have a heck of a lot harder time getting those ships through the Canal. Egypt has had peace with Israel for over 20yrs. -- Let's get one thing straight, if tensions between Iran and Egypt were as bad as you claim they are then Cairo wouldn've denied Tehran's request for clearance to travel through the Suez.

Israel has a sufficient nuclear weapons stockpile and I would have to question the validity of your statement as I am sure they have ICBM's as well. The US provided them with nukes way back in the day but Israel has worked it out on there own as well. In fact they attempted to sell some to South Africa not long ago.


The IAEA, UN is not allowed to know what Israel's true armaments really are and the nuclear device myth is mere speculation or else they would've used them by now. Israel is not allowed to have nukes because they would be quick to use it on it's neighbours so that aspect does not keep us stateside up at night wondering what they are going to do.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by DuneKnight
What if Israel attacks those ships? would that mean the start of a war, would Iran retaliate? This is the fear, Iran has been trying to get Israel to start it this could be their way of doing so.


If Israel issues a first strike on any Iranian Naval vessel then that vessel more then has the legal right and authourity to defend itself however it sees fit.

Israel, however will not start a conflict nor fire upon an Iranian vessel as Iran is way more formidable foe then the world gives them credit for. Israel is more infamous for picking on people who cannot fight back and will not ever pick a fight with someone they know will match them tank for tank, jet for jet and soldier for soldier.


Iran is a weak country, barely can defend itself. What does Iran have that keeps Israel up at night? nothing really. Israel on the other hand can do some air force strikes that finish Iran off in a week.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Isreal's nuke stance keeps us in the US up at night. If you think that Iran is weak tell that to Iraq when Iraq got the floor wiped by them. Israel needs our help on everything as at least 15 strategically placed ICBM's would decimate Israel.

Iran has 77 Million citizens and a military that numbers around 15 Million with a land area of 636,372 sq mi making the 18th largest country in land on the planet.

Israel has 7.65 Million citizens and a military that numbers barely 2 Million with a land area of 8,522 sq mi making it 151st in the world.

Who will wipe who? That would be like if New Hampshire invaded Texas.
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posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Ok so half of the folks say Iran has nothing and will fall, the other half say that Iran would wipe the floor with Israel.
How many of you folks been there and seen the armaments for sure, truly know their tech, have any real world proof?
Cut it out all of you all of this i know best is silly.
Tyson will beat Holyfield is all this is.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by g146541
Ok so half of the folks say Iran has nothing and will fall, the other half say that Iran would wipe the floor with Israel.
How many of you folks been there and seen the armaments for sure, truly know their tech, have any real world proof?
Cut it out all of you all of this i know best is silly.
Tyson will beat Holyfield is all this is.


My money is on Israel. Iran will it can defend its homeland, it can't attack another country from afar and if it did, USA will get in to the fight anyway thats if Israel by then didn't launch nukes everywhere.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by bigyin

Why do you keep saying that Jews and Israel is the same thing ? It's not.

Israel apologists are forever telling us that Israel is a plural society, democratic, fair, western. They tell us Jews live there and also Christians, and Muslims and I don't know maybe unbelievers or people with completely different religeous beliefs.

Thats all fine, but you can't then say Isreal means Jew. It's either one or the other. Make your mind up.

If Israel is plural, then why call it the Jewish State of Israel and make others bow down to that ?

If it's not plural and just for Jews then it's aparthied which is illegal and should be changed.

Countless millions of Jews live peacefully and contentedly in all parts of the world. No problems.

It's the state of Israel thats causing a lot of problems right now, and yes it would solve a lot of these problems if it wasn't there.




israel is not the country for jews it is for reformed and fortified illuminati .

why should they make a square with mark of Masons?

WHY DO THEY HAVE ILLUMINATI MARK IN THEIR ' supreme court '




posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Apparently, you just make this stuff up as you go along.

Iran, a much larger nation, with more money, more military, more men at arms, couldn't do diddly squat against Iraq, and resorted to mass suicide attacks by pushing even teens forward into the slaughter.

Iraq handed Iran it's head a few times when Iran would attack. In fact, it was the Iraqi slaughter of Iranian attacks that gave Iraq a badass reputation in the area, as they had the most men with combat experience.

And you saw how well they stood up to US forces. We went through them like crap through a goose. As I've stated in other threads, Persians don't match up well against Westerners.

When folks rank nations, they're counting active duty heads, tanks, artillery pieces, aircraft, navy, etc. Israel doesn't have a large standing army.

They have tons of reserves though.

Iran loves prodding Israel, like poking a stick at a dog. Eventually, that dog is going to take something off you really will miss for the rest of your life.

Israel is constantly prodded by Hizballah, Hamas, Syria, and now Iran.

Iran would be wise to not give Israel the justification it so badly is seeking. They are just waiting for an opening to strike against Iran and settle that little nuclear matter for generations.

Iran's ships can make a small mistake. A navigation error, an accident at sea, or any of a hundred indirect tactics can cause Iran to be the one who starts something.

Just one excuse.

And maybe then Israel can go weapons clear and settle some old scores.

God knows, they can do it.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by FarArcher
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 

Apparently, you just make this stuff up as you go along.

Iran, a much larger nation, with more money, more military, more men at arms, couldn't do diddly squat against Iraq, and resorted to mass suicide attacks by pushing even teens forward into the slaughter.

Iraq handed Iran it's head a few times when Iran would attack. In fact, it was the Iraqi slaughter of Iranian attacks that gave Iraq a badass reputation in the area, as they had the most men with combat experience.

And you saw how well they stood up to US forces. We went through them like crap through a goose. As I've stated in other threads, Persians don't match up well against Westerners.

When folks rank nations, they're counting active duty heads, tanks, artillery pieces, aircraft, navy, etc. Israel doesn't have a large standing army.

They have tons of reserves though.

Iran loves prodding Israel, like poking a stick at a dog. Eventually, that dog is going to take something off you really will miss for the rest of your life.

Israel is constantly prodded by Hizballah, Hamas, Syria, and now Iran.

Iran would be wise to not give Israel the justification it so badly is seeking. They are just waiting for an opening to strike against Iran and settle that little nuclear matter for generations.

Iran's ships can make a small mistake. A navigation error, an accident at sea, or any of a hundred indirect tactics can cause Iran to be the one who starts something.

Just one excuse.

And maybe then Israel can go weapons clear and settle some old scores.

God knows, they can do it.


Iran has 77 Million citizens and a military that numbers around 15 Million with a land area of 636,372 sq mi making the 18th largest country in land on the planet.

Israel has 7.65 Million citizens and a military that numbers barely 2 Million with a land area of 8,522 sq mi making it 151st in the world.

Who will wipe who? That would be like if New Hampshire invaded Texas.



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:54 PM
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Well I would have to disagree with you on this one

Top Ten Armies in the World

1. USA
2. China
3. United Kingdom
4. India
5. Germany
6. North Korea
7. Turkey
8. Isreal
9. Pakistan

Source 1

Sorry but I would say Israel is easily the strongest military force in the Middle East

Source 2
Source 3

Furthermore Israel's resilience have proven themselves time and time again. They have fought off multiple attacks. They outdid Egypt not once, not twice, but three times.

As for the Mossad well sorry but the Mossad is easily one of the best inteligence agencies in the world. As far as Intel goes I would say the list would be something like this

SIS
CIA
Mossad



posted on Feb, 20 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Whether Israel is allowed to have nukes or not I promise you they do. Furthermore there is much speculation that Israel has one if not 2 subs off the coast of Iran armed with nukes. Just in case. So I would have to disagree with you there as well.


Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran
Uzi Mahnaimi in Tel Aviv T
hree German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline.


Source



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