Originally posted by FarArcher
Uh, I hate to break this to you, but upon creation in 1948-49, this new nation with no army,
Totally false. It had no formal
army, but it did have several well-trained militias, several of which had been engaged in terrorist and
guerrilla activities against both Arabs and the British governorship for a decade.
Again, false; Israel had British armor, as well as a mix of German and Warsaw Pact armor smuggled from Europe prior to the withdraw of Britain (Yes,
they smuggled tanks; piece by piece)
and no air force,
Boy, you're batting pretty poorly today! Israel declared a formal airfoece on May 28, 1948, shortly after declaring independence. It wasn't
of an air force, but it was actually a lot more than what the competition had.
was invaded by a coalition of troops from Lebanon, the palestinians from the West Bank, Syria, Iraq, Transjordan, Saudi Arabia, and
Actually, only troops from Lebanon, Transjordan, Syria and Egypt participated. Iraq gave funding, while Saudi Arabia's only involvement was to give
moral support by saying "Mecca's behind you guys!" (Remember, this was about six years before oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia; they had nothing
to contribute). The Palestinians fielded a few men alongside the Lebanese, but for the most part, the Palestinians were busy running from the
extermination squads that Israel was sending out.
Rather than be wiped out as the goal was stated, Israel barely won, and ended up with more territory than it started with.
Israel was hardly facing the existential threat you're claiming here. It's unlikely that any of the armies involved could have beaten their own
asses, much less Israel's. Not only was their training extremely sub-par, but they also lacked proper armaments (in one scenario, a Syrian arms
shipment to help the defense of Jerusalem consisted of three sidearms, and several boxes of shells for hunting rifles.) The leadership of the Arab
armies was also pretty damned piss-poor. They basically expected to throw some human waves at the problem, get home, and eat some falafel two days in,
and they managed the war exactly like that.
End result is that Israel succeeds in its ethnic cleansing of Eastern Palestine, and the Arab armies are pretty much useless to stop it.
More or less the same in 1967. Egypt moved its divisions into the Sinai toward the Israeli border after stating that they would destroy
Israel, and force the buffer force of UN troops out of their way, Jordan likewise threatened all sorts of destruction, and Syria really stepped it up
after firing indiscriminately on Israeli farmers below the Syrian Heights.
You've got Syria pretty much square on that one. However, Egypt had a very good reason to move into the Sinai; the Sinai belongs to Egypt, and Israel
had already launched an unprovoked attack across it once already. It is pretty prident that when you have a proven enemy on your border, you put
troops there, and threaten that enemy with all sorts of hell raining on their head if they make a move.
Egypt just wasn't counting on Israel to actually launch a sneak attack.
As for Jordan, it was fighting a defensive war; when Israel attacked Egypot and Syria, it also moved into the West bank, which was under Jordanian
control; Jordan had no recourse but
to fire off some shots before hauling ass across the river.
Here's where your genius is absolutely astounding! Israel was vastly outnumbered in total men, tanks, artillery pieces, trucks, aircraft, and
any category you wish to examine.
Outnumbered in men, perhaps. The rest of that is garbage.
Look again at what happened in 1973.
You mean when Egypt rolled Israel the hell up until the United States intervened? You'll notice that after 1973 is the first point where Israel
starts to seriously consider working with its neighbors to any realistic degree; Its military superiority was fading, and needed to start offering the
occasional olive branch.
When you say Israel hasn't had any quality opponents, or a serious military force, do you just reach around, stick your hand down the back of
your pants, and pull things out of your anterior cavity?
No, because such an assertion is completely warranted.
In 1948 Israel fought poorly-armed conscripts and peasant militia in a coalition that had leadership one might find in an episode of Benny Hill.
In 1956, Israel stormed across a peninsula populated mostly by goat herders, and rolled an army that was still using WW2 leftovers, including its
In 1967, Israel launched a surprise attack on a military force that wasn't going to do anything, kicked the crap out of a retreating army, and moved
into Golan - probably the closest to real fighting that 1967 saw.
In 1973, Israel faced an actual threat from a soviet-backed army that was making good progress until the US intervened for Israel. Even then, the war
was poorly handled on the Egyptian side; As it was mostly a war to reclaim the Sinai, however, it seems to have done its job.
In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon, met no resistance from the Lebanese forces (since Lebanon was kind of busy with something at the time) and proceeded
to use its Phalangist allies to "liquidate" civilians.
Since 1982, Everything Israel has done has been conducted against either civilian populations, or guerrilla forces.
And the last two times Israel has gone after the guerrillas, it either got rolled (2006) or failed to accomplish any of its goals (2008)
Basically, the IDF has had nearly thirty years of taking potshots at teenagers hurling rocks, on top of another forty years of stomping
poorly-equipped, half-trained, ill-managed opponents with the aid of a superpower.
I'm sure the IDF has the tech and the training and the management to put up a good fight, but I really don't think there are going to be any more
wars measured in days.
I mean, how much education do you have?
Ever even see a history book?
Ever desire to learn anything about what you are going to be discussing?
I can't believe you actually have internet where you live! Do they have to pump in sunshine?
Any idea on what year it is?
The irony here is staggering.