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Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
reply to post by ACTS 2:38
The bible does mention the sun moving around us....but not in that verse
"(...) the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved."
1 Chronicles 16:30
"(...) the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."
"The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his
place where he arose."
Clearly....if we cant move...then everything moves around us
EDIT: Theres estimates for the total water on the planet....something like 325 million trillion gallons.
Have you ever seen a modern day container ship in high seas??? The whole thing buckles and bends many many feet....but its made of steel...not wood which would break apart under the HUGE forces being exerted on it. Thats why we dont build wooden container ships
Noahs ark is rubbish....its impossible to fit 2 of every animal on even our largest ships today.edit on 20-2-2011 by loves a conspiricy because: (no reason given)
First: “All Christians will be aware of the Creed of Nicaea (or they should be) and the input of dear old Emperor Constantine re the decision that Jesus should be deemed a deity at a time when the Roman Empire was in decline”
What is your source for claiming that Jesus was not deemed as Divine until the council of Nicea? It sounds like something you read from a Dan Brown novel. When, in fact, the Bible itself declares Christ as Divine, take for example the Gospel of John (written circa 96 A.D. – roughly 200 years BEFORE Constantine) declares Jesus Christ as eternal and Divine (see John 1:1-17). So, just curious, what is your source of information?
Second: “All Christians will be aware of the Gnostic teaching (or they should be) that are as old as the NT texts,”
Once again, I must ask, what is your source for information on this? By and large historians and Bible Scholars alike (take Craig A. Evans and Emmanuel Tov, for example) date the New Testament documents as being written between 48 – 96 A.D., whereas the earliest Gnostic gospel (The Gospel of Thomas – not actually written by Thomas, BTW) is dated sometime between 140 – 180 AD, over 40 years AFTER the New Testament Apostles had all died. So, once again – what is your source of information?
Third: “All Christians will be aware of the fact that Christendom (Europe) was eventually forced to take on board these teachings and that they were not some sudden realization of ‘truth’ but enforced dogma.”
And once again, your source of information is……??????
Anyone can merely make assertions and affirmations as you do, but if you have no support for them then I don’t see any need to answer you – you’re just blowing wind. Name your sources of information on these 3 points, and I will answer your challenge.
Originally posted by christina-66
Challenge to Christians: Prove the Bible is True
The greatest challenge to Christians is to prove they can be true to the Bible.
Originally posted by christina-66
I actually have a love of the Bible....as an historical document. It lends insight into how those in far off times, in far off lands lived in the distant past. That they had to pay taxes, and had a control system in place very similar to the control systems we have in place today. It gives insight into the foods they enjoyed eating and the celebrations they considered worthwhile and the troubles they had to deal with on a daily basis.
All Christians will be aware of the Creed of Nicaea (or they should be) and the input of dear old Emperor Constantine re the decision that Jesus should be deemed a deity at a time when the Roman Empire was in decline
All Christians will be aware of the input of Paul/Saul (or they should be) into Christian doctrine (his writings make up circa 40% of the New Testament). They will also be aware of the fact he never met Jesus and was at the core of a schism of the sect with those who had met him and who were horrified at Paul’s teachings.
All Christians will be aware of the Gnostic teaching (or they should be) that are as old as the NT texts, and their cteachings that anyone who claims Jesus is the son of God ‘is a fool’...or why else would he make the distinction of praying to His father in heaven....if he had only one father. That’s what they say.
All Christians will be aware of the fact that Christendom (Europe) was eventually forced to take on board these teachings and that they were not some sudden realization of ‘truth’ but enforced dogma.
Prove to me (with my knowledge of the Bible) that;
1. Jesus is the Messiah craved by the Hebrews as recognised by Christians
2. The first five books of the OT are not simply a means of giving a disparate and genetically diverse people a unifying sense of identity.
3. That the Bible is the word of God.