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Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
reply to post by ACTS 2:38
EDIT: Theres estimates for the total water on the planet....something like 325 million trillion gallons.
Have you ever seen a modern day container ship in high seas??? The whole thing buckles and bends many many feet....but its made of steel...not wood which would break apart under the HUGE forces being exerted on it. Thats why we dont build wooden container ships
There is a debate going on about Noah's Ark. One side states that it would have been impossible for Noah and his family to have built the ark because he didn't have the technology needed. They go on to state that a wooden ship could only be about 300 feet long at the most and this would require iron strap reinforcement so the ship didn't break apart. The other side says he did it and the bible is the proof. Not only that, but wooden ships have been found that were ancient Chinese that measure 450 feet long and 150 feet wide, these are the biggest wooden ships ever found. No iron strapping has been reported in these ships.
Noahs ark is rubbish....its impossible to fit 2 of every animal on even our largest ships today.
I think the problem with people that struggle with the notion that the Bible is not the Word of God is the fact that many of the old understanding of the Bible has been overtaken with false teachings and false doctrines.
The most popular false teaching is the 7 year Tribulation. Almost every Christian believes in this false doctrine.
I say it is false because I can prove it biblicaly! You see, the majority of people think that they can be saved by listening to a preacher and taking his word at face value without discerning the truth for their selves.
At the end of the Middle Ages, the Church had fallen into a dead formalism that ushered in the Great Reformation. Many Roman Catholic Priests, some long forgotten, Eckhart, Tauler, Rokycana, Briconnet, Huss and the rest, were used of God to begin a great spiritual revival.
At the time, every one of those early evangelists was considered a radical cultist by the established church. Those excommunicate priests taught fanatically "heretical" doctrinal systems like salvation "by grace through faith," believer baptism and communion of both bread and cup for all believers. New converts followed those "left wing extremist" elder brethren, supporting their "heretical" positions, and almost before you knew it, those reformation groups became new denominations.
Five hundred years have passed, and those extremists have become us: the Baptists, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, the Free Methodists - the whole Protestant evangelical world. The worthy elders of our denominations passed their views on down to us, and most of them are still taught today. And their views were generally sound, until ... until it came to Bible prophecy.
Among other unlikely concepts, the Leopard-Bear-Lion beast, the Beast with Two Horns, and the Scarlet Beast of Revelation were thought to be real live animals that would roam the earth. When those prophetic doctrines were in style, England was the great world power that spanned the globe and the sun never set on the British flag. Europe was the cultural center of the universe and the United States was but a minor nation full of woodsmen and farmers. In their wildest dreams, theologians of horse-and-buggy days couldn't have imagined two 110 story glass coveredbuildings standing on an island for which the Dutch paid $24, much less, that those buildings would be destroyed by ten Islamic terrorists using commercial airplanes as flying bombs.
If we are honest with ourselves, we can see that the end-time scenarios those venerable theologians proposed just don't fit what is happening in the world today.
It is evident to all that we are at the end of the Christian Era, but as yet, there is no visible one-world government, no antichrist, and no Seven-Year Tribulation in sight. Is it possible that the Lord's plan for the end-times is totally different from the traditions we learned in Sunday school? It surely could be, because the Lord appears to have opened His prophetic Word in a new way through two almost unbelievable fulfillments of prophecy that have taken place in the Holy Land during the last 50 years:
In 1948AD, the new nation of Israel was established and in 1967, Jerusalem again came under Jewish control for the first time in 2573 years!
Though they were dispersed from their land for two millennia and persecuted beyond measure, the Jews again control the Holy Land and Jerusalem is again the capital of a sovereign nation called Israel.
In the following chapters, we will show that these two events fulfill more prophecy than any other events since the crucifixion and these events allow us to understand Scriptures that were previously a mystery to us.
Scriptures that change our view of God's overall plan and of how He intends to bring this age to a close. It is apparent that a rocky road lies ahead for Christians everywhere before Jesus stands on Zion.
There are so many verses that predicted the past with 100% accuracy. I mean, they are perfectly detailed, unlike some main stream "prophets".
I can go further if need be.
Prove to me (with my knowledge of the Bible) that;
1. Jesus is the Messiah craved by the Hebrews as recognised by Christians
2. The first five books of the OT are not simply a means of giving a disparate and genetically diverse people a unifying sense of identity.
3. That the Bible is the word of God.
Why are you asking for proof? Why do you need proof? If you don't have faith in what the Bible says, then no amount of proof is going to change that.
I don't need to prove it to you. I have faith in the Bible and if you don't, then go find something else to read. It is not mine, or anyone else's responsibility to prove it to you. Its about having faith, and if you are asking for proof, then you don't have faith in it and there is nothing anyone can do to change that. There is nothing that anyone can do to change the fact that I do have faith. I know that people get sick of hearing the word "faith" all the time, but that is what its about. If you don't have faith, then don't bother looking for proof.
Originally posted by christina-66
...'Faith' knocks the opportunity for debate right off the agenda - as you say, you either have unquestioning belief or you do not - end of argument/debate. (a boring response imo)
We live in an age of purported religious tolerance but for centuries we did not - that's the primary reason for christianity supplanting indiginous belief systems not because it provides any greater truth. The damage and harm wrought 'in the name of God' is simply shameful and sadly in this new millenium religion is being used once again as a tribal rallying call.
Originally posted by fordrew
the bible was inspired by god. God pretty much wrote the bible. You can't get any more evidence than that. How about YOU prove the bible is false???edit on 17-2-2011 by fordrew because: (no reason given)