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Originally posted by Damned
Yeah, but I'll bet you anything, if guns were not available, other weapons' killing statistics would increase very quickly. I'm sure it would compensate for the lack of guns.
Originally posted by jetsetter
Today murder by guns and murder by knife is not far apart.
Unless you do "special" math you're wrong, considering I just showed you two-thirds of murders are by gun.
Originally posted by JediMaster
Now RANT, lets play out a scenario.
Lets assume guns are banned,
AND I DO THINK PEOPLE SHOULD GET TO OWN GUNS
Originally posted by JediMaster
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Originally posted by Djarums
I don't think self defense is made more effective by having a gun that shoots up 1,000 rounds in the blink of an eye unless your home is being attacked by a battalion or something. Hunting? Unless you like your meat in little pieces I fail to see how an automatic machine gun is useful. And as for the right to bear arms, well I don't think the constitution was written having in mind weapons that could drop 50 people in 10 seconds.
Originally posted by cavscout
Lets look at on of the "evil ausault weapons" that has been the topic of alot of debate, and was restricted somewhat by the '94 asault weapons ban, the AR-15, civilian version of the M-16. Do you know, on average, how many of these things are used to murder in America every year? Three. Lightning strikes kill more people than that. bolt action hunting rifles kill more. BOWLING BALLS KILL MORE THAN THAT. These laws are not rational.
Also, when you are spewing out the numbers of those murders, lets not forgett that they are not all "bad guys shooting good guys." Many of them are drug lords killing each other over turf, ect., ect., so on and so on.
Originally posted by JediMaster
Wrong Dongil.
www.issues2000.org...
An enite list of his voting record, many of which appear in the ads.
So Dong, I guess Bush is making up Kerry voting at all?
Originally posted by JediMaster
You said "The same pervasive dishonesty can be seen in the Bush-Cheney TV ads. These ads are filled with lies and misrepresentations about Kerry's positions and voting record. "
And I went and got for you hist list of voting records which pretty much match whats said in the ads.
Originally posted by RANT
The way I see it, your entire defense of tyranny argument has nothing to do with concealed weapons, or weapons easy to conceal (like handguns). Meaning they pretty much aren't any good at defending against a rogue Government, just the commission of crimes
EDIT: Oh, never mind. Rereading I see you don't think the wild wild west in our streets is a problem
I think that technologies are morally neutral until we apply them. It's only when we use them for good or for evil that they become good or evil.
William Gibson
Originally posted by cavscout
So, thanks to federal air-passenger disarmament laws...
Originally posted by RANT
But I will say this talk scares me...
Originally posted by cavscout
So, thanks to federal air-passenger disarmament laws...
That's the kind of thing freaking me out about Libertarians lately. What's with the whole "government de-arming hijack victims" rant?
Do you really want people to be able to take guns on airplanes? I don't even like them in cars though I see you do. If you're saying the more guns we have in public the better, but it's not "wild wild west" can you tell me the historical model it is? Or an acceptable name for discussion? [Edit: "Total Armament"?]
Someone, anyone tell me why background checks, waiting periods and safety devices are bad?