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Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Soke33
Well, I am a mother. My son is in his father's image, even looks just like him...but he is not his father.
God looked and saw it was good, not perfect. I don't believe men were created perfect.
Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. -Ezekiel 28.12
That was stated to the king of Tyrus, which is Satan. Man wasn't created full of wisdom.
Man and woman were created and told not to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That was the first commandment, and they failed. It went downhill from there.
Are the father and son not one my sister?
8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Originally posted by Abovo
Salvation is continual existential refinement culminating in conscious submission to the Will of God. Jivanmukta is the term given to it in Hinduism. It is complete and utter disregard for self without resentment.
Originally posted by Soke33
Do pardon my frankness, sir. This is all discussion in love, from my perspective.
Originally posted by Soke33
With the verses quoted to support that thought, I can only conclude that you believe man was created equal with Christ, God in the flesh.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Originally posted by Soke33
What about this?
What is man, that Thou art mindful of him?
And the son of man, that Thou visitest him?
For Thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,
And hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of Thy hands;
Thou has put all things under his feet… -Psalms 8.4-6
Originally posted by Soke33
One is perfect because He was begotten. The rest of us are created and under His feet.
Originally posted by Soke33
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. -John 1.14
Originally posted by Soke33
Man was obviously not created full of grace and truth, or we wouldn't be in this happenstance.
Originally posted by Soke33
The LORD said unto my Lord, "Sit Thou at My right hand,
Until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool." -Psalms 110.1; Matthew 22.44
Originally posted by Soke33
Not all created are His enemies. He came to save that which was lost (Matthew 18.11 &c).
Originally posted by Soke33
I humor myself thinking that the energy converted in the lake of fire, and given new life, will be among the animals in the eternity. We earn rank, though we may not have to earn salvation.
8So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. 9And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. 10But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. 11And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, 12Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. 13But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? 14Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. 15Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? 16So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
Originally posted by Soke33
If it has offended you that I referred to my son's daddy as his father, I apologize. However, my son and his daddy are two different entities. They are not the same, but a continuation. My son is an extension of his daddy.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Soke33
With the verses quoted to support that thought, I can only conclude that you believe man was created equal with Christ, God in the flesh.
Yes and No. I believe Man is created equal with Christ, but I do not believe Christ is God in the flesh, but rather part of God.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Christ never asked to be deified.
Christ is the Son of God, so are we children of God. (Spirit)
Christ is the Son of Man, so are we children of men (flesh)
Christ is my Brother.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Are you saying there is something impure in God that must be purified in this life?
Originally posted by Soke33
What about this?
What is man, that Thou art mindful of him?
And the son of man, that Thou visitest him?
For Thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,
And hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of Thy hands;
Thou has put all things under his feet… -Psalms 8.4-6
Originally posted by IAMIAM
This is a description of God's relationship with Man, all of us.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Originally posted by Soke33
One is perfect because He was begotten. The rest of us are created and under His feet.
I do not recall a scripture where Christ is making this claim. Could you provide it for me?
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Why would such a passage be attributed to Christ?
Originally posted by IAMIAM
He loved Man so much he gave his life for him.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
Love IS the truth.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
reply to post by Soke33
It seems that the only point of contention between us my sister, is whether or not Christ IS God or not. I see it as idolatry to claim such, but that matter is not of such significance to come between us. It is more important to keep the commandments of Christ for that is what leads to the healing the world needs in these troubling times.
So, as to not divert the topic further off course, I will yield the point. It matters not what God is called to me, God is far too great to embody any name, it is the idea, the knowing, love that matters.
With Love,
Your Brother
Originally posted by Soke33
I assumed you are Christian. That is my fault, and I apologize.
I believe God is far too great not to have His Name in His world.
I agree we will leave it here.
In Love,
Soke
Originally posted by Soke33
Originally posted by cluckerspud
Salvation is short term for me.
Like right now my salvation would be to find more work to pay my rent that just went up.
I generally don't look at it in such a large way as to include my whole life.
I live day to day. And right now, I am financially shot.
HELP ME LORD GEEBUS CHRIST!!!!!
SEND MY LANDLORD A CHECK!!
Gee.
I wonder if He will answer that prayer.
Originally posted by IAMIAM
[I am not a Christian, just a follower of Christ. He is a teacher to me, and my relationship is more akin to a Brother.
Originally posted by Vicky32
Originally posted by Soke33
Originally posted by cluckerspud
Salvation is short term for me.
Like right now my salvation would be to find more work to pay my rent that just went up.
I generally don't look at it in such a large way as to include my whole life.
I live day to day. And right now, I am financially shot.
HELP ME LORD GEEBUS CHRIST!!!!!
SEND MY LANDLORD A CHECK!!
Gee.
I wonder if He will answer that prayer.
Er, my guess would be no, because cluckerspud got His name wrong... proving himself not to be one of Jesus' established friends...
Vicky
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
God creates each moment perfect, each moment fresh and new and perfect.
Only a human mind can say it is not perfect. What is wrong with right now unless you think about it?
God gave us all this and we have the audacity to say it is not good enough.
See that this is all there is and that desire for more is the root to all unhappiness and suffering.
Salvation is the end of belief in thoughts. Thought gives up and goes quiet. The stillness and peace left behind is what you really are. The noisy chattering mind is constant but what hears the chatter?
Some say salvation comes only through "believing on The Lord Jesus Christ".
But what does this mean exactly?