Originally posted by ThreeDeuce
Why weren't you attempting to disprove 2012 BEFORE the Y2K scare?
Oh, I did.
Answer: There seems to have been a global shift in conciousness that drove people to research ancient civilizations, and 2012 prophecy is part
that has been uncovered.
I disagree. The first efforts to research ancient civilizations came in the 1700's when Napoleon started bringing back things from Egypt and British
collectors began acquiring antiquities from Greece and Rome. It reached its height at the end of the 1800's and early 1900's with Cayce and Blavatsky
and hundreds of books of (easily disproved) "channeled prophecies and revelations from ancient civilizations" which were spectacularly wrong.
Sumerian Texts also talk about about 2012 as "Changing of the World, as we know it"
I'm sure others have pointed out that this isn't true.
Also, Hopi Indian prophecy points to 2012. Even though they do not believe the world will end, they say that people who are unable to adapt to
change will be doomed.
Only prophets speaking since 2001 have been saying this. The famous "Blue Star Kachina" prophecy dates from 1910 and the others that most know about
are more recent than that. Hopis traditionally didn't go in for prophecy -- future foretelling was sorcery and (to them as a culture) evil.
QUESTION: So, why do you blatantly disregard the only major date that all three of these ancient and wise civilizations warn us
a) they didn't.
b) they failed to correctly predict major disasters for their own civilizations including conquest, war, famine, earthquakes, and so forth.
So, you want to discredit all of 2012 theory because of your own personal theory that the end of their calendar means
Well, no. I can also (to some extent) read some of the original texts and I'm pretty familiar with the legends and stories of all three cultures --
so I didn't rely on some website to tell me this. I went back to the things they wrote.
Fist is the Tzolkin, which is 260 days. So, does this calendar mean anything?
Mayan Shamans say that this 260 days is the gestation period of a Human.
Actually, they don't. In the first place there are no traditional Mayan shamans. They started showing up after "New Age" tourists came to the area
and started looking for mystical experiences and shamans. Being no fools, some of the people realized how much money there was in this and set up
shops as shamans. They do, however have "Keepers" of time but they don't do shamanic things.
This means the Tzolkin calendar counts the time from fertilization to birth, roughly.
Human gestational period is roughly 280 days (about another month from what you're counting) from last menstrual period... and they didn't track this
in traditional medicine:
They rely on signs and dreams to tell them about the birth:
This means the Haab is what Mayan civilization depended on to determine when to plant, when to harvest, and many many other aspects of their
life. They lived by the Haab.
I think you may be interpreting things here. They lived by signs and dreams. They didn't need a calendar to tell them when to plant and harvest
since they live at the equator and almost any day is good for planting or harvesting.
I contend that the Mayans thought this was a very important calendar.
Why would they have a third calendar that counted nothing?
To make it easier to count dates farther than 52 years in the future (I'm serious.)
Most civilizations counted by the date of the ruler's term in office (25th year of H'aab'in'stuff) rather than from "the beginning of time" or a
"beginning of our city/civilization". The calendar gave them a better way to record history.
Is it pure coincidence that astral projectionists can not see past this date during meditation?
Well, if you tell yourself you can't, then you can't. And frankly, I have yet to see a projectionist who was even 80% accurate on anything, from
remote viewing to future events (with a hard and fast date.) I've seen them backdate claims. I have never seen any of them step up and say something
like "on March 22, 2011, Congress will pass the health care reform act with 78 senators voting in favor of it."
Generally they get away with "Around the middle of March, an important bill will pass in Congress. I have a feeling that it will be sometime around
the 20th and it will be hugely important."
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