Originally posted by ThreeDeuce
Why weren't you attempting to disprove 2012 BEFORE the Y2K scare?
Why would I try to disprove something no one is actually attempting to prove?
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I do assume that the Mayan Calendar was around before the year 2000.
If that is so, why weren't you voiceing your strong opinions against this before hand?
Answer: There seems to have been a global shift in conciousness that drove people to research ancient civilizations, and 2012 prophecy is part that
has been uncovered.
My theory? It's because after Y2K failed to destroy the world, all the chicken littles that need
there to be a doomsday crisis over the
horizon latched onto this 2012 business. And when 2013 rolls around, I'm sure they're going to find another near-future date for the "big one,"
and will panic accordingly
And, before you completely disregard teachings of Sumer, remember these writings encompass many stories that fill out our Chrisitan
And this is supposed to lend credibility?
Also, Hopi Indian prophecy points to 2012. Even though they do not believe the world will end, they say that people who are unable to adapt to
change will be doomed.
A prophecy made in the 1960's, and published into books, to capitalize on the starry-eyed hippies who thought that if an Indian says it, it must be
true. Truth is, we just like pranking white people, and if you can make a buck off of it, what the heck, right?
So, along with the Mayan Calendar, that makes THREE prolifent societies that warn us about this day upcoming.
Prolifent? What's that mean? Are you combining "prolific" with "proficient"? And, well, not to dis the Hopi, but I'd hardly put them on the same
scale as the Sumerians or Maya.
QUESTION: So, why do you blatantly disregard the only major date that all three of these ancient and wise civilizations warn us
Because so far only the Maya mention that date (Sitchen does not count as Sumerian research, and I just explained hte Hiopi thing) and they don't
give any "warnings." Unless it's like the calendar you can buy at the store that tells you "End of the year, buy a new calendar"
So, you want to discredit all of 2012 theory because of your own personal theory that the end of their calendar means
It means it's time to get a new calendar. Doesn't sound that dramatic, but have you seen these things? They're big handcarved rocks. And the math
involved! Getting a new Mayan calendar will be a lot of work!
I won't even point out how small minded of an idea this is. But, to refute this logic, lets look at the rest of the Calendar.
Not believing in something that has no evidence isn't small-minded. It's "intelligence."
The Mayan Calendar is comprised of Three Distinct parts.
3. Long Count
It is the ending of the long count in which people discredit all of 2012 theory.
"Theory" has an actual scientific meaning. The word you
want is "guess."
Fist is the Tzolkin, which is 260 days. So, does this calendar mean anything?
Mayan Shamans say that this 260 days is the gestation period of a Human.
This means the Tzolkin calendar counts the time from fertilization to birth, roughly.
So, the first calendar counts something distinct and important.
Distinct, yes (and it does so inaccurately, since it's ten days off a full nine-month gestation, and actual gestation length varies from pregnancy to
pregnancy). Important? I dunno, it's just counting days that someone is pregnant. Meaningful from the religious perspective of the Maya? Sure, but
Second is the Haab, which is 365 days. We all can see this means something.
The Haab tracks a full solar year, which is a full cycle of Solar Birth.
This means the Haab is what Mayan civilization depended on to determine when to plant, when to harvest, and many many other aspects of their life.
They lived by the Haab.
So, both the first and second calendars are important and life saving........
Well, the sun doesn't go out at the end of the Haab, does it?
But, of course (by your brilliant deductions) the third must count nothing, and be unimportant
It's a measurement of how long it takes to get from point A to point A again. Just as the other two do.
Third is the Long Count, which ends December 21, 2012 (by some people's calculations).
By some people's calculations is the catch, there. Namely the "some."
I contend that the Mayans thought this was a very important calendar.
They also thought that building towns around arsenic-laced water holes prone to cave-ins was a good idea. I mean c'mon, if you can see the future,
you could at least understand the notion of toxic metals, or good urban planning, right?
Why would they have a third calendar that counted nothing?
Why do we have a month that only has 28 (sometimes 29) days? Leap years must be a period of significant importance, right? Nah. It's just because of
how the math works out.
I propose that this is gestation of the human species, perhaps a step that we take in our evolution.
Or, this is a time of great destruction and peril.
Evolution doesn't work that way.
I propose that when 2013 rolls around, we get a new rock slab and start carving. Bring your abacus, you'll need it.
Is it pure coincidence that astral projectionists can not see past this date during meditation?
2012 is also the year unicorns go extinct, ZOMG!
The Mayans never say that the world is going to end, but if there was not going to be a change, then why make such a long calendar and why do
you make sure that generations to follow pay attention to your calendar?
Because that's the way the math worked out. I'm sure if someone had the patience, they could have devised a Longer Count calendar, too, just by
following the cyclical math already present. I mean hey, if you had just invented the concept of zero, wouldn't you want to take it our for a
As for making sure future generations pay attention... Did you ever have to sit through your grandparents telling you a long, rambling story about
"when I was your age?" Yeah, it was important to them, so they're like, it's important to you, too, so listen up sonny.
That said, the Maya actually lost knowledge of this calender system not too long after the priesthood collapsed.
Or, its just easier to believe that everything means nothing, and you can stick your ostrich head back in its hole. That is easier after-all.
Well, here's the thing.
If Kulkulkan is going to show up in 2012 and remake the universe, I kind of doubt there's anything I can do about it one way or another. If it's
true, then he's going to do it whether I believe or not, right? Believing in it does me no good, since I can't really stop a Mayan creator deity.
However, if it's NOT true, then I can either spend the remaining two years worrying about something that won't happen and feel really dumb when 2013
comes around. or I can spend the remaining to years just doing what I would have done anyway.
It's kind of Pascal's Wager in reverse. it's more of a benefit to not bother, since if it's true, I lose nothing by not bothering, and if it's
false, i lose by bothering. See?