A New Socio-Political Party

Originally posted by Lilitu

Originally posted by Amaterasu
I am merely the messenger.

WOW! Not simply a messenger, but THE messenger!

WOW! Way to make an inflamatory statement! I did not capitalize the "the." I said "the" because so far, I seem to be the only one with this message. I surely hope there are others. Jeez.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
That you would suggest a "cult" simply shows your lack of understanding.

That's is exactly what other cult leaders & followers tell me - what a coincidence! If only I could apprehend that super-duper secret esoteric knowledge then I too could be Queen Mum and taste the rainbow!

Sorry but you have only succeeded in making this claptrap look even more cultic.

Ok. Believe as you wish. You have shown yourself to have little grasp of the concept of the energy in our universe, and hell bent on accusing me of creating a cult, when the goal is for poverty to end and for the planet to live in peace (wars are started deliberately to enable the weapons-makers to make money... Or do you believe the official story of 9/11, too?). So there is little hope of giving you a clue.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
All humans are kings and queens of Eridu.

We are mammals. Just mammals. That's all.

Mmmmm. Read The Terra Papers and the Enki Tablet translations. Let me know your thoughts when you do.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
We must start somewhere. Knowing that I can come up with every reason NO, it is essential in the face of all that training to simply say "Yes, my dearest Amaterasu, count me in."

The problem with Pollyanna is that she was absolutely right.

And you are on the right track with this, my Sister Queen.

Blessings on all even those who only see as far as their mammalian nature.

Thank you for your kind entry. I cherish friends like you. [smile]

Number seven. [grin]

reply to post by Amaterasu

Tell you what. It looks like your heart is in the right place, so I'll read it.
Will let you know if you have another member or not.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Tell you what. It looks like your heart is in the right place, so I'll read it.
Will let you know if you have another member or not.

Thanks, beez. My goal is to end poverty and bring peace - but it has to be a lot more of us on this planet than the seven (eight?) of us that have a clue this is possible.

*Shameless Bump*

I believe this is important and thought I would bring it back to the fore.

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Wow this perfect utopia would work perfectly with robots. Take the human element out and sure you wont have any problems. One thing this fails to think about is human nature. Sure we can be full of love, lust for peace and harmony, helpful to one another, but man has another side greed, jealousy, hate. The fact that a system without money gets rid of these parts of man is utterly failed and flawed logic.

With out a goal to reach what would be the point of living? Competition drives production, creativity, and diversity. If you want a world of people walking around with no purpose but to suckle off the tit of socialist governing then you cant use humans, we are to complex a being to operate like drones.

Originally posted by joejack
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Wow this perfect utopia would work perfectly with robots. Take the human element out and sure you wont have any problems. One thing this fails to think about is human nature. Sure we can be full of love, lust for peace and harmony, helpful to one another, but man has another side greed, jealousy, hate. The fact that a system without money gets rid of these parts of man is utterly failed and flawed logic.

With out a goal to reach what would be the point of living? Competition drives production, creativity, and diversity. If you want a world of people walking around with no purpose but to suckle off the tit of socialist governing then you cant use humans, we are to complex a being to operate like drones.

Um... How would greed manifest in a world where you may have what you want...? Sure, jealousy - but the fact is that the number of crimes committed over jealousy that do not include money issues is, statistically speaking, non-existant. Would you rather the multitude of crimes caused by a money motive over just the few that are not? And hate... What percentage of hate crimes have money at their base? Perhaps most, for if money was unneeded, we wouldn't be looking for others to blame the crime and poverty on.

How about the goal of bettering the world around us? I know of a vast number who would LOVE to offer suggestions (and many have, only to be suppressed because the good solution cut into someone's market share). And it turns out that what REALLY drives creativity (production being handled by robots) and diversity is passion, bliss, and caring.

Lastly, you have erred in labling the abundance paradigm (where there IS no "governing" except of, for and by the people themselves) in terms of a scarcity paradigm social solution. All such solutions in scarcity are misapplied if applied to abundance. (Communism, for example, is taking the "pie" and dividing it equally; abundance is many, many "pies" of which all may have as much or as little as they want.)

But I guess it's better, in your view, to keep poverty, crime for money/power/energy (different states of the same thing), suffering, problems "solved" in the cheapest fashion instead of the best, corporate poisoning of the planet, class structure, and all the complications and issues attendant with having a money system in place.

Yeah, I'd rather be a slave than free to do as I wish. JUST what I want to do with MY life.

reply to post by Amaterasu
Amaterasu,How long have we been talking about this? remember when I told ya that it would a long process for the evolution of the human race and the current status quot to reach the point where all of this would be possible.I joined this movement to lay the ground work.The Revolution in the Mid-east is the beginning of the evolution the world is changing and most people are blind to the fact.

Originally posted by mike dangerously
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Amaterasu,How long have we been talking about this? remember when I told ya that it would a long process for the evolution of the human race and the current status quot to reach the point where all of this would be possible.I joined this movement to lay the ground work.The Revolution in the Mid-east is the beginning of the evolution the world is changing and most people are blind to the fact.

[smile] We ARE ready for it - and can do it all without bloodshed - IF enough of us know we can do it, if the understanding reaches a tipping point. Ergo, the thing to do is sing it from the highest. Tell everyone. Keep at it. Never give up.

It is worth it.

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Yes we are ready for it, and it is definitely worth it. The Egyptian uprising is just the beginning and unfortunately, those who practice "opposites in truth" like the Glenn Beck sheeple, do not yet realize the true meaning of what they're seeing. Currently, the only thing I've seen them articulate, is their "fear" of losing a U.S. backed dictator who helped to perpetuate their power over people. From their point of view, it's like being infested with cockroaches and losing access to the bug killer.

Hopefully, when this movie comes to a theatre near them, they will wake up and smell the roses. Whoever it was here on ATS that predicted Feb. 11th would be the dawn of a new consciousness for mankind, may very well have hit the nail on the head. I can only hope.

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I am certain we are indeed ready. [smile]

Thank you for your input.

I like the concept, but a few comments about the constitution.

1/ Do no harm. This does incorporate your three laws, as well as provide for the earth and other aspects of nature. It is a bit grey in the interpretation as sometimes some pain on a smaller level is needed for resolution on a bigger level. For example: self defence, discipline, conflict resolution, surgery, food production. These all contain elements of harm being done, but for a greater good and a state of no harm on a higher level.

2/ Humans are free to take abundance of the planet, but without sustainable practices resources will be lost. There are already many species extinctions going on and the worlds fish reserves are in serious threat with the rate and expansion of fishing practices. I expect it is going to take some time until we are at a level of technology where we can replace and rebuild many of our lost diverse habitats.

6/ There are people with a passion in understanding and learning the genetic code, I can see that as a valid link to their understanding of the one. The self regulated and immense power of how it is currently been conducted is a travesty. The end of money will put an end to a lot of the corruption, risks and threats currently going on in the field. There does need to be more oversight and containment to reduce the risks while still allowing the benefits to emerge.

I am down with the rest.

I guess Entropy represents "Chaos" from "Change" and thus challenges the status quo of Conservatives. As to the second post...there are some who will kill and take property to "conserve" said status quo. Hence your thread was found to be threatening and you were labeled persona non grata.

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The above was for "I was banned"
not sure how it got redirected....?

I do wonder if such a society would actually change people, or if humans would just be better equipped to wolf down the earth (immediately or within the next generations).

If this "political party" is to be successful, it will be through the initial free will choice to join on a massive scale. In such a case, politics would be rendered quite null anyway. These "laws" are representative of free will choices that humans continue to perpetuate. i am not so sure they are the "cause," or merely temptations to justify what decision would have been made anyway.

If such an attitude is a free will choice.. there is a distinct possibility of, even within the bounds of "success," continuing on as we have but simply within a different context. free energy would cause explosive growth.

i am not so sure this one would choose to facilitate such a thing... such a change will have to happen on a personal level for anything like this to work, and once it does, politics are of no use anyway.

How about a socially liberal and economically conservative party?

with "liberal" retaining it's original meaning (liberty or freedom).....

Originally posted by kwakakev
I like the concept, but a few comments about the constitution.

1/ Do no harm. This does incorporate your three laws, as well as provide for the earth and other aspects of nature. It is a bit grey in the interpretation as sometimes some pain on a smaller level is needed for resolution on a bigger level. For example: self defence, discipline, conflict resolution, surgery, food production. These all contain elements of harm being done, but for a greater good and a state of no harm on a higher level.

I agree, however, I feel that "do no harm" is a bit too vague for use without an overabundance of arguing. That's why I propose the three Laws, and bring the question of caring for our planet separately and specifically in the platform of the Ethical Planetarian.

2/ Humans are free to take abundance of the planet, but without sustainable practices resources will be lost. There are already many species extinctions going on and the worlds fish reserves are in serious threat with the rate and expansion of fishing practices. I expect it is going to take some time until we are at a level of technology where we can replace and rebuild many of our lost diverse habitats.

Although I figured this was implied in the organic approach to our planet, perhaps a bill of conduct could be added, clarifying detail - still, without money to complicate things, best solutions will be chosen. The people who care and would take action would be choosing best solutions within organic parameters. They are unlikely to just blow off a species or two, or overfish. In fact, if it's not sustainable in harmony with the planet, they would likely revile it.

6/ There are people with a passion in understanding and learning the genetic code, I can see that as a valid link to their understanding of the one. The self regulated and immense power of how it is currently been conducted is a travesty. The end of money will put an end to a lot of the corruption, risks and threats currently going on in the field. There does need to be more oversight and containment to reduce the risks while still allowing the benefits to emerge.

I am down with the rest.

I have no issue in research for intellectual edification. I DO have an issue with releasing results on the planet, and worse, embedding these results in our food system. I suspect we will choose to allow research...

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1. I do see your point, a lot of people do prefer simple black and white laws and the ones you have identified are universal across all the different cultures. There are heaps of differences among the minor technicalities and other social norms. It is a good broad legal framework you have put together.

2. I too would expect a more environmental responsible approach when money is taken out of the picture. Considering how much debate can occur on the wording of a constitution I would like to see the word 'sustainable' in it somewhere to highlight the value of Earth goes beyond our generation.

3. I too have many serious issues about how GMO is being released. It is a tough and complex one as there can be benefits, but there is still much to learn, manage and understand about the environment.

Originally posted by sinohptik
I do wonder if such a society would actually change people, or if humans would just be better equipped to wolf down the earth (immediately or within the next generations).

I think you have a skewed perspective of what it is to be Human. Interesting fact: When I have money to buy whatever I want, I find it hard to find anything I want (I am very picky when I have choices), and when I have no money the list of things I want is long (without choice I feel a yearning). It turns out that most of us are this way. Oh, sure, many raised in the scarcity paradigms may go hog-wild initially, but the novelty will wear off for most, and in its place, an overall drop in the use of resources. Also, products would be made to last. This will greatly reduce waste. Food will be produced and distributed by need. Great amounts of waste reduced. Theft-deterring packaging - of which a great amount of packaging is - would be unnecessary. More waste reduction...

The Interweb would flourish, teachers would be prized. And many of us will be thrilled just to have fresh vegetables delivered to our doorstep when we ask for them on the web.

If you would, please, read my book, The Abundance Paradigm, found here:

media.abovetopsecret.com...

If you do choose to read it, I think you will see that we, by social agreement, can care for our planet, as well as each Other, in grace, in peace.

If this "political party" is to be successful, it will be through the initial free will choice to join on a massive scale. In such a case, politics would be rendered quite null anyway. These "laws" are representative of free will choices that humans continue to perpetuate. i am not so sure they are the "cause," or merely temptations to justify what decision would have been made anyway.

Yes. A massive scale. But it's not an uphill battle all the way. It just has to reach the tipping point. Indeed, politics would become null. Humans "perpetuate" most of the things they do because of money, or the lack thereof. With an Ethical goalpost in place, however, along with a betterment ethic and the Interweb site, the transition away from money and into abundance will be smooth and positive.

If such an attitude is a free will choice.. there is a distinct possibility of, even within the bounds of "success," continuing on as we have but simply within a different context. free energy would cause explosive growth.

People living at a level of affluence tend to have fewer children than their counterparts in poverty. If we all had the choice, I think it's fair to say that most of us would move closer to an affluent lifestyle. In fact, population growth is likely to start dropping off, as the children, chosen by parents who want them, become cherished. A far cry from being abandoned in poverty, n'est pas?

i am not so sure this one would choose to facilitate such a thing... such a change will have to happen on a personal level for anything like this to work, and once it does, politics are of no use anyway.

I honor Thee for Thy consideration. It is all I ask.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
How about a socially liberal and economically conservative party?

with "liberal" retaining it's original meaning (liberty or freedom).....

Because economic conservation includes widespread poverty...?

Just thinking.