A New Socio-Political Party

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Um... I have personal knowledge that there IS. [shrug] It has been hidden in Black Ops for over 50 years. This is NOT an assumption.

Not hidden very well, if you have personal knowledge of it. I want to see some evidence. How does this free energy work? where does it come from? How is hte field of physics going to answer this discover which, for all practical purposes, has just flipped every single field of science onto its head?

Pony up!

Sure, we will have to build devices - but since money is merely the representation of energy spent - with infinite energy, money becomes effectively infinite, and infinite money has no social application. Money will become more trouble than it's worth to mess with.

So we'll be using free energy to get free energy. Uh, that's a pretty circular way of thinking, there. And even without money, there's raw materials to be considered. Space. Infrastructure. You can have all the free energy you can dream up, but you're still going to need some method of getting it to the consumer.

I recommend you look into a book called A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit. In it the true, money-free nature of Human behavior is brought to the fore. Turns out that we are generally only nasty MFers when there is profit to be made.

I've read it, and similar books such as "The Ends of the Earth" by Robert Kaplan. What you - and Mrs. Solnit miss - is that profit is not restricted to money. Yes, people throw together after a disaster. Why? Because cooperation is profitable. At other times, competition is profitable. The idea of profit is simply gaining the most advantage from the least effort. Sometimes you have narrow profits, other times you have wide profits. Take away money, and people will just replace it with chickens, cheese wheels, reputations, land, sex, or dance instruction, whatever comes to mind.

And just because we compete does NOT mean we must compete for profit. We can and often do compete merely for the status. As we are tribal, in the view of the Ethical Planetarian, we will become "tribes" of common interest, "tribes" of problem-solvers, and so on.

And status is a form of profit, to the person seeking it.

And I think you're missing my point in pointing out the tribal nature of people. Tribes tend to not get along too well. They might not be enemies but they'll still fight over shared resources.

And frankly, no. One sociopath will cause a local problem and will be dealt with. Planetarily, one sociopath is statistically non-exietent. (Sociopathy will diminish radically in this system, since those who love children will care for any who need care - without money constraints, this becomes an easy thing to offer our children.

Okay. Your car is several miles ahead of your horse here. You haven't even unveiled the free energy - the cornerstone of your entire plan here - and you're already talking about a global system and giving out pop psychology answers.

Thank you for your input.

edit on 1/24/2011 by Amaterasu because: to add

It's what I do

Originally posted by Amaterasu
I am merely the messenger.

WOW! Not simply a messenger, but THE messenger!

Originally posted by Amaterasu
That you would suggest a "cult" simply shows your lack of understanding.

That's is exactly what other cult leaders & followers tell me - what a coincidence! If only I could apprehend that super-duper secret esoteric knowledge then I too could be Queen Mum and taste the rainbow!

Sorry but you have only succeeded in making this claptrap look even more cultic.

Originally posted by Amaterasu
All humans are kings and queens of Eridu.

We are mammals. Just mammals. That's all.

We must start somewhere. Knowing that I can come up with every reason NO, it is essential in the face of all that training to simply say "Yes, my dearest Amaterasu, count me in."

The problem with Pollyanna is that she was absolutely right.

And you are on the right track with this, my Sister Queen.

Blessings on all even those who only see as far as their mammalian nature.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

But people then, would create their own money. ie; I have more ears of corn, I have more rocks, more (fill in the blank) than others. Then other people would covet those (blank) and try to steal (blank). People would then trade (blank) for even more food, status, sex, power. . . . because we are ego-driven.

The key to understanding why this is NOT true today is to be aware of the fact that, for the first time in (the present) history, we have the ability to use robots instead of us to do the work we do not want to do. Since covetting is a function of not having, with everything free, there is little motivation to covet. Sure, there may be a few cases of specialty item covetting, but in the whole scheme of things, and statistically speaking, that would be nil.

Power is intimately linked to money/energy. The platform of the Ethical Planetarian brings infinite energy through presently hidden tech eliminates money, and power over others in exchange for total power over oneself. Sure, some might trade specialty items for sex, but status will be gained only through one's behavior and efforts towards betterment.

Don't think that I'm insulting your aspirations. I'm not.
I just don't have the faith in the human race that you do.

I suspect that your lack of faith comes from what They tell us what we are, blaming Their bad behavior on us. Who are They? Read this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And read A Paradise Built in Hell. That will change your view of Humanity for sure.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Um... I have personal knowledge that there IS. [shrug] It has been hidden in Black Ops for over 50 years. This is NOT an assumption.

Not hidden very well, if you have personal knowledge of it. I want to see some evidence. How does this free energy work? where does it come from? How is hte field of physics going to answer this discover which, for all practical purposes, has just flipped every single field of science onto its head?

Pony up!

I did a search for "electrogravitics" and got an abundance of responses. I just grabbed a few for here:



users.erols.com...

www.ufohowto.com...

Now, it is hidden in "plain sight." They just pretend in the MSM that it does not exist, even to the point of Nova programs that claim Einstein spent his last years trying to unify gravity and electromagnetism. The fact is that it was unified well before his death, and They chose to hide it (the science of electrogravitics) in the late 1950's.


As for my personal knowledge, it is not of the tech itself (except what I understood reading Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion - feel free to read it yourself), but of the fact that the tech exists and has for at least 50 years. Read this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sure, we will have to build devices - but since money is merely the representation of energy spent - with infinite energy, money becomes effectively infinite, and infinite money has no social application. Money will become more trouble than it's worth to mess with.

So we'll be using free energy to get free energy. Uh, that's a pretty circular way of thinking, there. And even without money, there's raw materials to be considered. Space. Infrastructure. You can have all the free energy you can dream up, but you're still going to need some method of getting it to the consumer.

Not at all. The source (the zero point field/virtual particle sea) is seething with so much energy that not only is the universe expanding, it is accellerating in its expansion. Do we use oil to extract and refine oil? Why, yes we do. Can we use the energy of the universe to extract more energy? Of course.

Seems you believe there is no energy out there to be had. If so, you are wrong.

I recommend you look into a book called A Paradise Built in Hell by Rebecca Solnit. In it the true, money-free nature of Human behavior is brought to the fore. Turns out that we are generally only nasty MFers when there is profit to be made.

I've read it, and similar books such as "The Ends of the Earth" by Robert Kaplan. What you - and Mrs. Solnit miss - is that profit is not restricted to money. Yes, people throw together after a disaster. Why? Because cooperation is profitable. At other times, competition is profitable. The idea of profit is simply gaining the most advantage from the least effort. Sometimes you have narrow profits, other times you have wide profits. Take away money, and people will just replace it with chickens, cheese wheels, reputations, land, sex, or dance instruction, whatever comes to mind.

Profit can be in the form of following one's bliss. It needs no one else to necessarily be involved. Profit can be in status - as in writing the best program. And if chickens and cheese wheels are free? And land? (If each of us had 1/4 acre of land in Australia, there would still be a good chunk of it left - and then there's the whole rest of the planet. We're good on land, methinks.) And if there are people whose bliss is to teach dance and will do it because it is their bliss?

Think we would need to trade? (Sex will most often be between people with similar interests, mates, and so on. It is conceivable that specialty items might be of use in "buying" sex.)

And just because we compete does NOT mean we must compete for profit. We can and often do compete merely for the status. As we are tribal, in the view of the Ethical Planetarian, we will become "tribes" of common interest, "tribes" of problem-solvers, and so on.

And status is a form of profit, to the person seeking it.

Very much so. I never claimed otherwise. Still... It is NOT money.

And I think you're missing my point in pointing out the tribal nature of people. Tribes tend to not get along too well. They might not be enemies but they'll still fight over shared resources.

And if all is free...what's there to fight over?

And frankly, no. One sociopath will cause a local problem and will be dealt with. Planetarily, one sociopath is statistically non-exietent. (Sociopathy will diminish radically in this system, since those who love children will care for any who need care - without money constraints, this becomes an easy thing to offer our children.

Okay. Your car is several miles ahead of your horse here. You haven't even unveiled the free energy - the cornerstone of your entire plan here - and you're already talking about a global system and giving out pop psychology answers.

Not so "pop." I have studied psychology for over 30 years. And I think that a very little effort in research will show that free energy info IS out there - on the interweb if denied in the MSM.