Originally posted by sinohptik
Ok, i did read it..
Its not that i dont agree, i have also written about the.. possibilities contained here, and within us.
A worldwide instant perspective shift is absolutely ideal, but the issue is that of "other" possibilities that become more available. These are
mostly speaking from a multi-generational perspective (2-3 generations).
If one, or several, nations/groups "hold" out and decide to carry on in the same "wolf down the earth" fashion, what is to be done? They will
have access to the technology to fuel incredible levels of growth and expansion.
Sorry I missed this. I hope You're still on the board! LOL! The thing about releasing the tech to extract energy from the plenum is that it will
affect the planet as a whole - not just some nations. Money around the globe will become moot, and power over others will evaporate. In its place We
each will have autonomous power over self.
A race would be created between building technology capable of colonizing other planets, and stemming the massive population surge caused by
the first few generations acclimation to the new "paradigm." While the "energy" may be "free," the discovered applicable technologies are not,
and take time. Full and open co-operation still does not equal instant omniscient knowledge. And it would be difficult (at best) to estimate how
long it would take for efficient mass-scale off world colonization to take.
I agree that We will seek to move into the universe, but I disagree that there will be a population surge. As the cost of the energy is removed down
the line, higher and higher standards of living will be available to all of Us as things cost less and less, and higher standards of living are
directly linked to lower birth rates - when One has a world of opportunity to do as One wishes, rather than being limited to TV and sex for
entertainment... Well, I think You can see where that leads.
And though initially the devices and such will NOT be free, eventually they will be. From another of My posts here at ATS:
Money, being an accounting tool for meaningful energy expended, becomes moot when:
1. The thing it represents is applied directly (energy)
2. Human energy is no longer required (not saying Humans can't work; just that it would no longer be REQUIRED) when We add robots to the mix. This
makes the "barter" days not a valid comparison.
As the plenum energy is added to the economy, money will deflate - but rather than the unsupported deflation of energy scarcity, this deflation will
be supported by the direct energy availability.
The driving force in deflating the currency is that the cost of energy will be removed from all processes:
The energy to take ore out of the ground - 100% of the cost
The energy to process the ore - minus the cost of the ore (based on the cost of the energy to mine it), 100% of the cost
The energy to shape and mold the metals - minus the cost of the processed ore (all based on the energy), 100% of the cost
The energy to assemble the pieces - minus the cost of the pieces (all based on energy costs), 100% of the costs
The energy to ship the products - minus the cost of the products (all based on energy), 100% of the cost
The energy to stock the shelves...
Well I hope You can see My point here. Removing the cost of the energy all down the line eventually leads to no cost at all.
So... Releasing the overunity tech will indeed remove the need for money - specifically for the fact that We can replace Human energy use with robotic
energy. In any time past, before the advent of robotics, removing the cost of external energy would NOT remove the need for money, because Human
energy would still be required and would need to be payed for.
As to the timeframe... Well, that depends on a great deal. I would give it two years for most of the energy costs to be gone, and maybe ten for all
the robotics to be in place.
I feel that this type of lifestyle, however, is the most logical choice when it comes to true progress of the race of humanity. there will
still be issues, there will still be conflict, but they will change context. "How much" of a change of context will determine its success. the way
i see it "heaven on earth" is us simply living in the way we should have been for a while now. There is much more to be experienced, even in such
places.
Yes, indeed, Human spirit is presently chained to the yoke of the money system, creating vastly unequal opportunity. But the change will mostly take
care of itself once the energy extraction tech is released.
Originally posted by Amaterasu
People living at a level of affluence tend to have fewer children than their counterparts in poverty. If we all had the choice, I think it's fair to
say that most of us would move closer to an affluent lifestyle. In fact, population growth is likely to start dropping off, as the children, chosen
by parents who want them, become cherished. A far cry from being abandoned in poverty, n'est pas?
This naturalization would take generations, however, and there would be substantial fuel for a massive explosion in population now. Its a very real
problem, honestly. Not one without solutions, necessarily, but a consideration that would have to be made.
I disagree here. Our freedom from money could happen in as little as five years - IF We really make that the focus. And as I explained above, as We
have more We can do besides watch TV and have sex, the less sex We'll be having. And few will have kids for any other reason than that they want
them.
I honor Thee for Thy consideration. It is all I ask.
Many are moving towards this. Not all go about it in the same way, but there is success and strength in diversity 
The base perspective shift is a
choice, one which every individual iteration must make. the tipping point has many factors involved, all chosen correctly if that time and place
should occur.
I think it will come naturally as the cost of things drops and then they lose cost entirely. I offer a framework in the hopes of giving a structure
that all can be comfortable within, which will keep problems at a minimum.
But these IDEAS must reach a tipping point before anything will happen at all.
