Fox News criticizes memorial before it's even over

Was that the same event where they boo'd Governor Jan Brewer?

Geez, that wasn't a memorial, it was a pep rally for democrats.
How pathetic, libs politicize a tragic event, and cry foul when they get called on it.

Are people really still buying Obama t-shirts?

Originally posted by phusionsa
reply to post by nunya13

 

Not sure if you watched the Paul Wellstone memorial; that was a pure political event. This AZ memorial was the same. I mean really? Applause and whistling? T-Shirts given out at a MEMORIAL??? The thing didn't HAVE to come to an end to see it was opportunistic.

2stars...I surfed channels stopped and watched right up until the first round of applause and cheers.What a bunch o'crap. Making political soup out of a national tragedy. The Wellstone memorial crossed my mind immediately also.

I say the democratic party is two for two.

I still remember the Paul Wellstone memorial/political pep rally
And this one right along the same lines.

I see a pattern here.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Originally posted by Sinnthia
Have any substance to add to it or is this just empty mud flinging?

I think many of these provide sufficient substance to it.

Not really. Where do you see me criticizing anyone for how they choose to mourn their dead? Can you actually add something to your hit list of things I wrote you do not like. Just because you do not agree with me and topics can be heated does not mean that it is any less sick of you vultures to sit and criticize a freakin memorial service because it was not the way you would have liked it to go. Just the number of posts criticizing the President for the audience cheering while not blaming Brewer for the booing is just mind boggling.

when was the last time any of you been to a memorial where people acted like that?

if it were a member of my family that got killed, I would have went ape**** on that crowd.

Theres no way to spin this in a positive light.


This country should be embarassed.

I only saw a bit of it, but it reminded me of the Paul Wellstone funeral a few years ago. In other words, less of a memorial, more of a political rally. I guess the Dems can't help themselves, but its shameful behavior and pretty embarrassing.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by maybereal11

 

You will see that not once did I point a finger to ANY side nor at our [sarcasm] wonderful [/sarcasm] President.

I did a search it was the first link....yet there are many many many articles saying the say thing.

Well apparently I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to admit that you posted a bunk article from a notoriously questionable source.

I will help you out here and underline the parts of your post that were not truthful and have been disproven.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
There was a memorial event? Really? When I was flipping channels I could have sworn it was some Obama rally complete with souvenirs and cheering fans!

Really....Fox has every right to criticize. It was a disgrace!

White House operatives passed out t-shirts to the crowd with Obama's new campaign logo, 'Together We Thrive.' The words were also taped to the seats in which mourners would sit during the service.


Malkin also reports that buses from the University of Arizona at Tuscon flashed the Obama campaign theme prior to the event.

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Breaking...memorial service in Tucson turns into political rally - National Conservative | Examiner.com www.examiner.com...

edit on January 14th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)

Opinion...great...entitled to yours.

But supporting that "opinion" with known and disproven smears to make your case?

Not acceptable IMO on a site supposedly dedicated to "Denying Ignorance".

I would be more apt to feel that it was an honest error and that you for some strange reason trust "The Examiner" as a source if you hadn't followed up the post without any acknowledgement that the story you posted has been shown to be utter bunk.

BTW..."The Examiner"..If for some reason accuracy is in fact a concern of yours, maybe you will verify the accuracy of the next "Examiner" story you post...I keep expecting a higher standard...not similiar views, but always honest and accurate material...

Deny Ignorance?

Examiner.com has been criticized for its lack of verification and fact-checking of stories published on the site, including accusations of plagiarism.

L.J. Williamson, a writer who was briefly employed by Examiner.com, drew attention to the site's lack of editorial oversight by publishing a series of satirical prank articles, which went unnoticed by Examiner.com's staff until Williamson published what she described as an homage to a well-known satirical piece written by Hunter S. Thompson, in which Thompson claimed that presidential candidate Edmund Muskie showed symptoms of being under the influence of Ibogaine.

In Williamson's satirical piece, she claimed that actress Jenny McCarthy advocated Ibogaine as a treatment for autism. Examiner.com staff only noticed and withdrew Williamson's prank stories when lawyers for McCarthy contacted them and demanded that the piece be removed

en.wikipedia.org...

Edit to remove reference to member status as it is against T&C.

reply to post by maybereal11

Howdy again, pardner!

I thought you had left!...

I'm still waiting for you to comment on the CBS news citation that also referenced John Podehetz and not a few other reporters who had also noted that the whole scene was disrespectful. I watched the thing on the tube, and I was embarrassed for the crowd and the president, and I wasn't even there!

In the New York Post, John Podhoretz wrote that "the president's stunning speech was marred by the feeling of the evening that surrounded it and the appalling behavior of the crowd in Tucson listening to it." "It was as though no one in the arena but the immediate mourners and sufferers had the least notion of displaying respectful solemnity in the face of breathtaking loss and terrifying evil," he added. "... The tone of the event came to resemble a pep rally, no matter the monstrous fact of the six dead and the many injured....It was as though no one in the arena but the immediate mourners and sufferers had the least notion of displaying respectful solemnity in the face of breathtaking loss and terrifying evil," he added. "... The tone of the event came to resemble a pep rally, no matter the monstrous fact of the six dead and the many injured.""

"Surrounding a clearly stricken President Obama were the devastated survivors, mourning family members, and heart-broken friends of the lost or wounded," added Melissa Clouthier. "They stoically sat in the sea of frivolity with their pain written on their faces. The contrast was jarring to watch. It felt wildly inappropriate. It was rather embarrassing in a skin-crawling, get-me-out-of-here way."

National Review's Rich Lowry, who thought the speech was "magnificent," nonetheless wrote, "The pep-rally atmosphere was inappropriate and disconcerting."

Let's not forget, at a couple of points in the speech, Obama looked clearly distressed by what was going on in the crowd...He recognized at some point the campaign rally and the need to pump his likeables had gotten out of hand.

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Look, pal, I'd agree with you if you were right, but in this case you are clearly wrong. The sooner you admit the reality of this thing, the better you will feel.

reply to post by maybereal11

Well apparently I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to admit that you posted a bunk article from a notoriously questionable source.

What is a "credible" source may I ask? A source that.. perhaps leans with your own ideology? Would you like only MSNBC articles?

It appears to me.. that instead of refuting the actions at the "memorial" you are attacking the sources that are attacking the memorial. In fact, not once in this entire thread have you actually delved into the actual issue and debated the right/wrongness of the event it's self.. instead attacking others and their sources.

Was it necessary to have logo-T-Shirts at the memorial?
Was it necessary to have a loud cheering "party" atmosphere?
Was it appropriate for the Presidents staff to allow such preparations?
Was it not discussed how such an event would appear not only to Conservatives but to the much larger Centrist?

Perhaps instead of attacking others with a rabid ferocity... you discuss the topic.. not the source(s)

Originally posted by MMPI2
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Howdy again, pardner!

I thought you had left!...

I'm still waiting for you to comment on the CBS news citation that also referenced John Podehetz and not a few other reporters who had also noted that the whole scene was disrespectful.

Well this explains a lot... you are not actually reading responses...do they get in the way of the BS parade?

I responded to this numerous time and specifically to your post on the last page...here you go again..

Originally posted by maybereal11

As to your most recent post...concerning some folks finding the rally in bad taste...I am uncertain why that is news? It is opinion...and the far right will always find an opportunity to attack...even during a memorial service.

Was this the language that the President used that made the right wing so threatened that they felt they had to attack a memorial service full throttle...complete with now debunked smears?

But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together.

Yah...pretty aggressive language there.....just disgusting the GOP lie machine.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by maybereal11

 

Well apparently I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for you to admit that you posted a bunk article from a notoriously questionable source.

What is a "credible" source may I ask? A source that.. perhaps leans with your own ideology? Would you like only MSNBC articles?

It appears to me.. that instead of refuting the actions at the "memorial" you are attacking the sources that are attacking the memorial.

Credible sources? Ones that don't have a long history of outright making stuf up...Michelle Malkin crosses from Bias to fiction with the claim that this Pres. Obama's new campaign slogan...that his operatives passed out t-shirts etc.


As far as opinion...I have never claimed opinion as lies...never told anyone they weren't entitled to opinion...just the opposite..I have proven lies as lies...and there is no doubt that is what Malkin has done and that is what was repeatedly quoted here as "fact" to support opinion.

reply to post by maybereal11


so you criticize me for using the examiner as a source - when it says the same thing many other sources say, yet you cite.....Wikipedia....

Ok then. Funny. Truly funny.

Care to debate the TOPIC ? Didn't think so. :@@


by the way............im NOT the far right and I still critize the Obama pep rally.

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Was it necessary to have logo-T-Shirts at the memorial?
Was it necessary to have a loud cheering "party" atmosphere?
Was it appropriate for the Presidents staff to allow such preparations?
Was it not discussed how such an event would appear not only to Conservatives but to the much larger Centrist?

Perhaps instead of attacking others with a rabid ferocity... you discuss the topic.. not the source(s)

Answers in order..

No, not neccessary...take it up with the Events Co-Ordinator at U of A who has explained it was entirely the Universitys idea.

No, not neccessary...take it up with the thousands of folks who did so.

Yes, not thier place to tell AZ or families victims how to memorialize thier dead.

Don't know or care...see above answer.

I have discussed the topic and more importantly pointed out propaganda and outright lies being used to manipulate opinion.

Aside from the usual partisan bickering in this thread one thing to remember:

Speeches and event details are given out in advance thus allowing people to prepare commentary etc.

You ever wonder why the opposition is always so quick with their response after say "The State of the Union"?

Edit to add: One aspect to remember is that alot of those vendors are simply there. not as offical reps of say Obama but rather there to make a buck. Those same people selling the Obama bumper stickers wcan be found at say the next McCain appearance

reply to post by FredT


Yes but you miss two things..

1. commentary was not commenting on what the President said. The only problem I personally had with everything said was that Holder led the prayer and not a local priest/chap/rev/whatever .. other than that, no problem with what was said, and I have seen little to no commentary about his speech.

2. People are not saying the crowd, UofA or the Vendors are directly Obama's fault, but rather he should have known about it and advised them to cool it down.. The main issue isn't Obama....... it's Obama's fans. (Yes, I use the word Fan)

reply to post by greeneyedleo


I still see no evidence that this was an "Obama pep rally?" The demeanor of both the president and first lady throughout to me seemed befitting a memorial ceremony. I don't see where anyone from the administration took any steps to turn this into a "pep rally." If students came to see and were excited by being in proximity to the president, that's on them. In any case, how is it fair or right to attach the president's name to this then by calling it his pep rally?

Look.

This issue is settled, and the debate is over.

There were lines within Barack Obama's speech was that were designed for applause and cheers, just like the lines in his early campaign speeches.

Everybody acknowledges that components of the Obama/leftist machine were there in Tuscon, "getting out the cheer", spreading out the money for T-shirts and other campaign related materials, and assisting with the "organizing" in an effort to leverage this piece of the tragedy for political gain.

Obama and those close to him understood that this needed to be his moment to gain back those favorables and erode the unfavorable ratings. This is simply political reality. Pretending that it is not is childish.

This is fact. It is the modus operandi of the left. Remember, don't let a crisis go to waste!

MOVEON.org, ACORN, all of the usual suspects understand these facts, and they were on the ground there in and around Tuscon to make sure the thing went over well.

The problem was that the "progressives" there in the crowd that had been instructed by those political operatives turned the thing into a circus. Even Obama realized it. He looked taken aback at several points throughout the speech. You did not see him try to settle the crowd, though. No you did not.

Admit these things, people. They are true. Denying reality will not make them go away.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by maybereal11

 

so you criticize me for using the examiner as a source - when it says the same thing many other sources say, yet you cite.....Wikipedia....

Ok then.

Funny. Truly funny.

Care to debate the TOPIC ? Didn't think so. :@@


by the way............im NOT the far right

and I still critize the Obama pep rally.

edit on January 16th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)

Excessive emoticons are the rhetorical refuge of those who no longer have anything to say...

The Topic...?

You and others expressed the OPINION that this was political "pep rally" for the President.

You supported that OPINION with the claims...

(1) That President Obama and the White House organized the event.

(2) That "Together We Strive" is the Presidents new campaign slogan for 2012.

(3) That the White House manufactured T-Shirts with that slogan,

(4) That White House operatives distributed those T-Shirts.

Every single one of those facts was shown to be false.

Did you reflect and wonder why you were lied to?

Did you admit that the falsehoods you provided as facts were in fact false?

Did you pause for a milli-second to reconsider your opinion when your supporting evidence was shown to be BS?

Nope...not at all.

It is ironic that within a forum whose motto is "Deny Ignorance" civility is demanded while dishonesty is treated as a "given".

It was an idealogical mandate that you attack the President. All the more if he appeared in the slightest in a positive light. It was his non-political speech and call for civility and understanding that threatened your idealogical mandate of division the most.

You have demonstrated with every post that facts have no place in your decision process, to the extreme right the strategy is simple..if facts do not exist to support your argument...then manufacture them... those that use them will not apologize if confronted...opinion trumps facts...so called "Opinion" was predetermined.






Edit to add:

FOX NEWS...

University spokeswoman Jennifer Fitzenberger told FoxNation.com "it was our idea to do the t-shirts."

She said distributing merchandise at a memorial was appropriate and rejected the charge that the University over-commercialized the service. "Our intention was to have something to remember after the event...something that symbolizes our community's spirit...which would live on.

" When asked if the University had worked with the White House or any partisan groups on any level regarding the t-shirts she said "no."

nation.foxnews.com...

GOP Strategy memo concerning memorial...

There is a risk that the President will be viewed in a positive light, more so if his speech calls for tolerance, understanding, unity etc.

IF THE EVENT APPEARS AS IF IT IS ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS...

Claim it was a "pep-rally"...that the President used the tragedy to further his own "socialist" political agenda.

Claim it was a white house organized event.

Claim "Together We Thrive" is a new campaign slogan of his for 2012.

* If the claim that the white house organized the event is found out to be a falsehood...flip the table...Why wasn't the White House more hands-on? Why didn't they organize it?

Play the incompetence card.

PLAN B...IF THE WHITE HOUSE DOES GET OVERLY INVOLVED AND THE EVENT DOES NOT APPEAR LIKE IT IS ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS...APPROPRIATELY SOLEMN MEMORIAL

Then comment on how "staged" the whole event was by the White House.

If neccessary cite "anonymous" sources explaining how the White House came in and told "grieving families" and relatives how "thier memorial service honoring thier dead" should be and "took-over" the memorial service....this should resonate along the "Take-Over" "Socialist" "Government Run" Obama as a dictator crowd.

The White House even "Took-over" the memorial service!!!

Explain how the White House showed no consideration or shame in telling Arizonians and Grieving Family how to memorilize there fallen. How the White House crassly staged the event for the sake of political appearances and bullied family into having an event all to cast the President in a good light.


Lieing and BS...propaganda is not hard to come up with for Political PR scuz...it should be hard to sell in America...it breaks my heart on a regular basis that it is easy to sell to Americans.

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