Do most americans dislike the british??

reply to post by stewalters1


Stereotyping is the issue and it goes both ways. Many Brits view Americans as arrogant, gun-loving war mongers. Many Americans see Brits as arrogant Socialists. I personnally like Brits. They have a backbone in them; however, I can't stand Socialists/Liberals/Communists.

reply to post by Rocketman1


More gibberish!Off to the pub with you then.It's where you belong.And I don't eat crap food buddy.How many Michelin stars does your pub have?None that's how many.Enjoy the carvery lunch in your brewery owned boozer you sorry illiterate CHAV.

reply to post by blah yada


my mistake i thought this was a online forum not the daily news paper or some thesis.
secondly your still going on about the famine which as i said, no i dont really know or care about, so what.
I know it was a great tragedy, that people from Ireland feel passionately about, but it doesnt sound like your from Ireland so whats it to do with you. Its just yet one more sorry episode in a long history.
It is still not relevant today, it is not current history, and has no bearing on our current Government.
And yes i clearly do know more about the Monarchy because your wrong, simple.
If you look into the Crown estate, its holdings and earnings and how it came to be and how it is relevant constitutionally you will see you are wrong.
Sorry that is a fact regardless of my grammer or the potatoe famine.

reply to post by Rocketman1


It is an online forum,one whose fundamental precept is to "deny ignorance".Your pathetic standard of English is the type of thing that gives ATS a bad name.As I said before,please divulge all the details on the working of the Crown rather than simply stating that your personally held convictions about it are facts.

Whether or not I am Irish is completely irrelevant.There is no statute of limitation on history, though I'm sure the royals wish there was.Just as past monarchs bequeathed their legacy of ill-begotten wealth to their descendants,the victims of their regimes have bequeathed to their descendants the bitter memory of the transgressions against them as an incitement to vengeance.It's too bad that the royals can't slaughter or steal memory.
The sins of the father are visited upon the sons.Suck it up.

Originally posted by blah yada
reply to post by Rocketman1

 

More gibberish!Off to the pub with you then.It's where you belong.And I don't eat crap food buddy.How many Michelin stars does your pub have?None that's how many.Enjoy the carvery lunch in your brewery owned boozer you sorry illiterate CHAV.

Wow now your beginning to sound like the sort of jumped up elitist you claim to hate. Still spouting hate because someone has a different opinion to you. Even sounds like your getting angry and i thought you weren't going to waste anymore time talking, sorry shouting, at me. ROFL. Well i must say i am now enlightened by your wisdom. To think you started of moaning about deferring to a monarchy. And yet anyone who drinks in a local pub must defer to your Michelin greatness. You sir are a hypcrite it would seem. And a bigoted obne at that!

Originally posted by blah yada
reply to post by Rocketman1

 

It is an online forum,one whose fundamental precept is to "deny ignorance".Your pathetic standard of English is the type of thing that gives ATS a bad name.As I said before,please divulge all the details on the working of the Crown rather than simply stating that your personally held convictions about it are facts.

Whether or not I am Irish is completely irrelevant.There is no statute of limitation on history, though I'm sure the royals wish there was.Just as past monarchs bequeathed their legacy of ill-begotten wealth to their descendants,the victims of their regimes have bequeathed to their descendants the bitter memory of the transgressions against them as an incitement to vengeance.It's too bad that the royals can't slaughter or steal memory.
The sins of the father are visited upon the sons.Suck it up.

Look this information is not difficult to come by here is a link for the estates web site

www.thecrownestate.co.uk...

it should give most of the answers you need.
And the rest of your points! Well really get over it. Seriously what have they done to you yourself?
Honestly i would like to know. Have you been raped by one? Is that what you'r trying to say? Because if you have that may change my thinking. And lets face it, your continuous angry, agressive replies are not really looking good.

P.S I take it you have a intolerance of people with Dyslexia.

reply to post by Rocketman1


You don't have to call me 'Sir'.I haven't done any dirty little favours for your monarchy.You are the hypocrite.I make no apology for pursuing, with no detriment to the well being of others,the better things in life.If the sun rises and sets on a J.D. Weatherspoons for you, that's your lowly prerogative.But you accuse me of elitism because I aspire to something better?Aren't you the brow beater?Anyone who doesn't conform to your level of mediocrity is a bigoted elitist.

You contradicted yourself there also, by calling me an elitist bigot and then likening me to that which I am criticising, the monarchy and deference to it.By such logic you think they are elitist bigots.Yet you fawn over them.
Why don't you perform a little curtsey for me there my humble subject?

P.S I take it you have a intolerance of people with Dyslexia.

That is laughable.The proxy dyslexia defence.Nice try.Are you claiming to be dyslexic?Or are you using other peoples misfortune to deflect the embarrassment being heaped upon you by my highlighting of your literary ineptitude?(rhetorical question....... that means you are not required to answer.)

reply to post by Freeborn

A united Ireland? There has never been a 'united' Ireland; it comprised of several independant kingdoms with a ceremonial High King.

They very well could be United and They Teamed UP kept out Invaders for a while during the time that your Before & during the Roman Rule that your claiming there is Not much Proof that they didn't Unite! Unless you can show me there is Proof !

Really ? United as Means a No foreigner from another piece of land across the seas Until the Normans Invaded as the Irish Scoti Invaded Roman Briton in a Area which is Now Known as Scottland Right ..

The vast majority of people in Northern Ireland wish to remain in the UK, including at least 45% of Catholics.

Hmm Not sure They the Irish in NI would want to remain in the UK but Remain in Northern Ireland ( The Irish ) but the The Scot-Irish Yeah I know That

Most of the Protestants who live in Northern Ireland came from Scotland, not England, so the resultant hatred that is directed at the English is just sheer ignorance.

This Thread said British ! what is the Majority of the UK that Rules English Scottish Welsh ? what is the Majority ?

Devolved national administrations

England, the largest country of the United Kingdom, has no devolved executive or legislature and is administered and legislated for directly by the UK government and parliament on all issues. This situation has given rise to the so-called West Lothian question which concerns the fact that MPs from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales can vote, sometimes decisively,[92] on matters affecting England that are handled by devolved legislatures for their own constituencies.[93]

?????
en.wikipedia.org...
West Lothian question
en.wikipedia.org...

Most of the Protestants who live in Northern Ireland descend from families who emigrated there well before the mass Irish emigrations to the US and as such are a damn sight more 'Irish' than the vast majority of 'Irish' or any other type of Americans are American!

and what was that Mass of Emigration to the Us was All About ? The Great Famine rings a bell?
but.. i wont go there ....

Would you agree or advocate a return of Texas to Mexico or Louisiana to France? Of course not. But it is no more ignorant, stupid and unlikely as Ulster uniting with The Republic.

Hmm Let me think... Mexico Nope Spain descent and Europe descent Britian , German etc fighting for a piece of land they discovered that was Originally Owned by The Indigenous Natives ... France Nope Lost it by Selling it ! Lousiana Purchase I Doubt Texas would want to be ruled by Mexico Again Especially when They(Mexicans) are Jumping the Border for living the Opportunity of an american Life
Well that was Ignorant Statement..

Of course there has been some horrific events in Ireland's history. But it's not all been one-sided you know and your selective cherry picking of events conveniently ignores the deaths of hundreds of innocents, including women and children, by Irish Nationalist terrorists.

That is Nothing compared to 1608 to Present day ! that was only less within a 100 years time Try 400 years! of what you posted above !

Oliver Cromwell
en.wikipedia.org...

The Great famine ,
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally The IRB to the IRA was for Resistance Only .. as of the Original IRA doesn't recognize the RIRA

Do you remember Sunday of 1972
en.wikipedia.org...

my god let alone The Protestants and Catholics are killing each other also and blaming the IRA & the Loyalist!
for doing it !
How Many woman and Children died! because of religion ! in Northern Ireland

Maybe they just need to split Northern Ireland in Half This time Totally! Separate and for good .. as it as ive seen looking like the Boarders of East &West Berlin in the Past

My Apologies Im Tired way past my bed time

reply to post by blah yada


So you do aspire to something better. What would that be? A pub with a Michelin star or to be part of a class you are currently not of? Elites are in every society, like it or not. All i am saying is you attack the ultimate elite while pouring scourn on that which millions of everyday people consider normal. So what if i sometimes drink in a wetherspoons lots of good decent people do. War Veterans, Fireman, Policeman and just about every other person in our land. But you attack them now, for no other reason than to try and attack me. You call me a chav.

reply to post by Rocketman1


Yup!I'm calling you a chav.And I'm calling Weatherspoons an absolute trash peddling chain.It is just like McDonalds.Cheap crap for people who care not what they eat.Ignorant people.They eat there because they don't know any better.I try not to hold it against the customers but it's difficult when one comes in here getting up in my face with bad grammar and incorrect spelling, not to mind no sequitur arguments and statements of indifference to the totally avoidable starvation of millions on the island next door to you which your beloved royals claimed responsibility and jurisdiction over.

I'm sure not all pub goers are as ignorant as you.Many are.Some are probably worse.Either way,it's not my scene.I don't have to like it.I have actually eaten in one believe it or not, and it was crap, cheap but crap.Plenty of English people agree with me too.

reply to post by blah yada


Just laughing at your argument.

One question: I drink in the pub most nights after work, enjoy a carvery now and then and am not the best speller in the world. Does that make me a chav? Of course it doesn't.

You do sound like an elitest, because it is elitest and the upper crust that see anyone normal in the UK as a chav. Makes me laugh so hard

reply to post by blah yada


There is no such thing as 'statute of limitations' in UK law.

And certainly not in history, only lessons which we try to learn from.

According to your reasoning we should never forgive The Italians for the atrocities performed by The Roman Empire, or Scandanavians for the raping and pillaging of The Vikings or how can we forgive today's Spaniards for the actions of The Conquistadors and the virtual obliteration of all the Central and Southern American cultures or The Spansh Inquisition. Or is it only applicable to The British Empire and probably more specifically the English?

Oh, and for one who has adopted such a supercilious attitude to English grammar I am sure you are aware there should be a space after a full stop at the end of a sentence and the capital letter denoting the start of another sentence.
I normally wouldn't be so pedantic but, well, you know.

Originally posted by Wh00pS
The term Great Britain to me just smacks of colonialism and is outdated.

The term Great Britain has nothing to do with ''greatness'', in regards to being wonderful or powerful.

It is the historic term for the island, due to its geographical size in comparison to all the other smaller islands, and also Brittany.

Originally posted by stewalters1
I have noticed in my short time here on ats allot of hate from americans directed at the british.
Do most americans see the british as a weak spineless nation that can't do anything without american backing, be the backing financial or help to win wars.

I am a british person and i love america i have family there and would prefer to be a 51st state of america than a european state.
My feelings are changing after tacking a bashing from some american members of ats. One guy even blamed the british for his ancestors being brutalised in some war way back.

This is stupid because the modern day average british person doesn't share the same views our ancestors did, regardless of what our ancestors did it has nothing to do with us in this day and age.

I don't really like the british government and disagree with allot of their agendas but its like people think the british government makes decisions and that all the british people agree and that we are all tossers!!

When president bush was saying stupid things on the television i didnt think the whole of america is dumb as hell like him.

Does anybody see my point?

It is not the "British" as such, it is the "English" that are some of the most hated/obnoxious people on earth. If you exclude the Scots and Welsh you are closer to the mark.

Originally posted by Sailor Sam

It is not the "British" as such, it is the "English" that are some of the most hated/obnoxious people on earth. If you exclude the Scots and Welsh you are closer to the mark.

How come?

If the 'English' are that bad why do so many Scots choose to live amongst us, and do so quite amicably too, in fact many choose to marry those 'hated/onoxious' English?

reply to post by KingDoey


I think your avatar says enough.Are you a royalist too?Or are you offended because I disparaged a chain-pub and uneducated feral youth who drive after-market accessorised and suped-up Hondas and the like, with obnoxious stereo systems with ludicrous bass attenuation,belting out cheesy music at top volume, whilst driving dangerously,all to enhance their image?One of the key traits of chavs is that they do not realise that they are chavs.

It's not like I invented the term "chav".It's a widely deployed term in the British lexicon.It exists for a reason.Maybe it was conceived by a bunch of elitist bigots over there.Yeah that's probably it,some snooty middle class conspiracy by literate people with jobs who don't spend their life in chain pubs drinking crap beer,playing the ubiquitous slot machine or reading the red-tops, or watching some tripe soap like Eastenders or Coronation St..Pesky Oxford and Cambridge types no doubt, with their ordinary,factory spec cars and their clothes with the labels on the inside.Elitists......aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh drive for the hills(with the stereo blaring and wheels spinning)

Rule number one, for those who have to resort to mocking and ridiculing another person's grammar and spelling, is to make sure that you proofread your own posts first !

Originally posted by blah yada
ROFLMAO!

F-........ Go back to school, child.

Originally posted by blah yada
Well, let's have it then.

While my spelling and grammar isn't perfect - you will probably comb through my post, searching for errors in these departments, as that seems to be your 'thing' - I don't have the need to rudely mock someone else for their 'deficiencies' in this department - unless the person is being a hypocrite about it !


The truth of the matter is that we all make errors in these departments, and while the poster's spelling and grammar may be a bit off in some places, his posts and points were perfectly understandable ( to me, at least ).


Grammar nazism is a cheap shot, and usually indicates that the person who is being persnickety or pedantic about the other person's spelling, lacks a relevant or telling argument.

Originally posted by Freeborn
How come?

If the 'English' are that bad why do so many Scots choose to live amongst us, and do so quite amicably too, in fact many choose to marry those 'hated/onoxious' English?

Do not feed the troll, mate.

Anyone who lumps together 50 million people as one single entity, despite the fact that England is one of the most diverse and multi-cultural societies in the world, is either a troll, or someone who isn't worth bothering about.

reply to post by Freeborn


Obviously you have chosen to forgive them.Good for you.Maybe one day everyone in Ireland will choose to forgive the Saxe Coburgs and the House of Orange Nassau etc.That day has not yet arrived.It seems that the Vikings are forgiven.Though they did inextricably integrate into the island's population as did the Normans.What your German overlords have done is a lot more recent.By the way,despite being no relation Oliver Cromwell is not forgiven there either.Try cracking some Cromwell jokes in Ireland and see the reaction.

The Hanovers and Saxe Coburgs and their cousins all view the Irish as racially and intellectually inferior to them and have never had any desire to integrate,rather dominate and exploit them.

They think the same of most British people.That is why so many were drafted to war to die for "King and country".They regard you as of inferior Celtic stock whilst feeding you a heap of BS about being Anglo Saxon.The vast majority of Britons are of the R1B haplogroup.If you don't know what this means I suggest you read up on it.