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That's OK and don't worry about anyone trying to beat you up over it. I'm still trying to figure out exactly where your point of departure is and what are the implications. Keep working at it and maybe I'll get it.
Enough for now, I know I'm a loner but that's OK, I always have been.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truthiron
That's OK and don't worry about anyone trying to beat you up over it. I'm still trying to figure out exactly where your point of departure is and what are the implications. Keep working at it and maybe I'll get it.
Enough for now, I know I'm a loner but that's OK, I always have been.
I've gotten to where I don't trust people in general unlimitedly, so I am not that stuck on one narrow interpretation specifically. I probably need to familiarize myself better with the issues.
I've recently developed an aversion to a lot precise year counting because of how people are using dates to support some really strange stuff. I don't think that is what you are doing exactly because all you seem to be saying is that there is still a treading down going on today, and that may be obvious. All the wost criminals seem to be getting very rich and controlling governments enough to prevent any prosecutions for their criminality. And we have a so-called religion which turns a blind eye on it all and instead turns the focus on stupid problems no one can do anything about anyway, like trying to figure out why some people are gay, or something.
Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by truthiron
Are you linking 1844 as the beginning of sanctuary cleansing? And linking Sabbath restoration as a sanctuary(holy time in present space?). And that's what's still being trampled?
I saw a paper once, about 1987, summery of various positions presented at Glacier View en.wikipedia.org...
I don't remember who printed up the paper, but it listed various positions held by different people like D. M. Canright, A. F. Ballenger, W. W. Fletcher, W. W. Prescott, Louis R. Conradi, L. E. Froom and Raymond Cottrell. One of these also held the views that you also seem to. I don't remember which one it was though.
The book of Jubilees reveals much and Enoch cinches it.
I probably am like a lot of people and had a lot of questions when I was younger and did a bunch of research until I could reach some conclusions. Then I became a little complacent, thinking there was not much else to do. Lately I use other people's questions to kind of stir me up to do more research into the Bible. That's where this forum fits in and this is about a wide a spectrum of interests and beliefs and questions, as can be found. So I don't have an aversion to hashing things out with people and it is usually the other person who gives up. I've slugged it out with atheists plenty but they got to where they didn't want to hear it any more. Some people only want to change others to conform to themselves. I believe that people are held responsible for what they try to teach others. But I also believe people will be held responsible for sitting and not doing anything.
We keep looking and learning every day or we should if we are not.
In reply of the book "Jubilees" it is known also by "Apocalypse of Moses" and also "Little Genesis" It is far more in detail of those first things of earth and agrees 100% with the Bible. I wanted it to find if the Jubilee cycles did start with yr. one of creation and that is revealed clearly. Things like the flood ended the last year of a 49 yr.cycle then a new beginning, trully very fitting. I think it may have been the 28'th Jubilee. I'd have to hunt up the account to make sure.
I had known the Jubilee calender was introduced in the Bible for yrs. and suspicioned it was always in effect. It is one of those things that wasn't written of untill God moved them out of Egypt.
. And He gave us a great sign, the Sabbath day, 5 that we should work six days, but keep Sabbath on the seventh day from all work. 18. And all the angels of the presence, and all the angels of sanctification, these two great classes--He hath hidden us to keep the Sabbath with Him in heaven and on earth. 19. And He said unto us: "Behold, I will separate unto Myself a people from among all the peoples, and these will keep the Sabbath day, and I will sanctify them unto Myself as My people, and will bless them; as I have sanctified the Sabbath day and do sanctify (it) unto Myself, even so shall I bless them, and they will be My people and I shall be their God. 20 . And I have chosen the seed of Jacob 3 from amongst all that I have seen, and have written him down as My firstborn son, 4 and have sanctified him unto Myself for ever and ever; and I will teach them the Sabbath day, that they may keep Sabbath thereon from all work."
. . .
31. And the Creator of all things blessed it, but He did not sanctify all peoples and nations to keep Sabbath thereon, but Israel alone: them alone He permitted to eat and drink and to keep Sabbath thereon on the earth.
NIV
ISA 56:6 And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD
to serve him,
to love the name of the LORD,
and to worship him,
all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant--
ISA 56:7 these I will bring to my holy mountain
and give them joy in my house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and sacrifices
will be accepted on my altar;
for my house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations."
ISA 56:8 The Sovereign LORD declares--
he who gathers the exiles of Israel:
"I will gather still others to them
besides those already gathered."
Originally posted by truthiron
reply to post by ACTS 2:38
ACTS 2:38,
Wondering if you think it will be rebuilt. I know some do. I think if it is it'll have to be fast. Prophecy is seen in many many ways and I think God only meant it in one way. So many of us work at it.
Look for the way you find it, the Bible interprets it's self I would say is a good way and study it out to see If you can agree.
Searching always for the truth.
Truthiron.
So, do you think that a bunch of Sabbethaian, atheist communist secular Jews declaring themselves a state and then calling it Israel, as fulfilment of prophecy? That's weird, if you do.
. . .Israel becoming a nation...