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Originally posted by jmdewey60
I'm talking about a rebuilding of a future temple.
Anything on that?
The reason that I had asked for a link to those who seek to rebuild the Temple (why such a link would be "off topic", I don't know, but whatever) is that the Jews seem to have resolved not having it and the only Christians who would be in favour of it would be some weird minority that wants to "force" the End Times, so I'm not sure who would be driving it, what their motivation is, and what the likelihood of their success might be.
Originally posted by pthena
Basically, the pre-trib rapture doctrine completely relies on the 3rd temple being built, so that anti-christ can sit in it.
What is the Pretribulation Rapture?
Matthew 25:13 says Jesus will return at an unknown time, while Revelation 12:6 indicates that the Jews will have to wait on the Lord 1,260 days, starting when the Antichrist stands in the Temple of God and declares himself to be God (2 Thes 2:4). This event will take place at the mid-point of the seven-year tribulation (Dan 9:27).
MT 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
ISA 22:15 This is what the Lord, the LORD Almighty, says:
"Go, say to this steward,
to Shebna, who is in charge of the palace:
ISA 22:16 What are you doing here and who gave you permission
to cut out a grave for yourself here,
hewing your grave on the height
and chiseling your resting place in the rock?
ISA 22:17 "Beware, the LORD is about to take firm hold of you
and hurl you away, O you mighty man.
ISA 22:18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball
and throw you into a large country.
There you will die
and there your splendid chariots will remain--
you disgrace to your master's house!
ISA 22:19 I will depose you from your office,
and you will be ousted from your position.
ISA 22:20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will be a seat of honor for the house of his father. 24 All the glory of his family will hang on him: its offspring and offshoots--all its lesser vessels, from the bowls to all the jars.
ISA 22:25 "In that day," declares the LORD Almighty, "the peg driven into the firm place will give way; it will be sheared off and will fall, and the load hanging on it will be cut down." The LORD has spoken.
Originally posted by truthiron
Why would God then allow it to be rebuilt?
We differ but please consider the thought above. Also go to my post above and see if you can follow my math on the countdown as I find it to be the answer.
You do have a different view than I that is for sure, but to sum it up Jesus is the fulfillment of the old testament. His was the new and better covenant as His was the blood that only could suffice. Then His Love instilled in us fulfills the law of love.
I did a study on the books of Thessalonians a while back, while posting on a thread in Conspiracies. Paul was talking about Satan but I guess did not want to give him the dignity of calling him by name and what would his name be anyway?
Personally, I've never viewed Paul as being a prophet, so I wonder if that bit in 2 Thessalonians is coming from someone else.
HEB 2:10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers.
HEB 8:1 The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2 and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man.
HEB 10:5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
HEB 10:6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
HEB 10:7 Then I said, `Here I am--it is written about me in the scroll--
I have come to do your will, O God.' "
So, you think Jesus made no difference? The world would be exactly the way it is now even if Jesus never came?
I would say that this verse is yet to be fulfilled. There is still sin in the world. If this verse was fulfilled I would think the world would be a much different place than it is today.
Jesus said, "Don't tell anyone else what you just told me."
The whole messiah gig smashed to the ground.
What that would be is
probably incomprehensible but to someone like Abraham but only to
a certain degree. Jesus fulfilled something that was promised in the
presence of Adam, who was the first priest.