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Originally posted by Bun-G
'I didn't think of Iraqis as humans,' says U.S. soldier who raped 14-year-old girl before killing her and her family.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by Zamini
Meanwhile it might be true about some soldiers/jarheads/sailors in some platoons/military units in some branches of the military, it doesn't mean it is the same about every soldier/sailor in every platoon/military unit in all military branches.
I was trained as a U.S. Marine in the U.S. Marine Corps (U.S.M.C.) before transfering to the U.S. Navy, and I heard in several ocassions comments from drill instructors during bootcamp and even after graduation, including from some enlisted personnel, and even some officers that I never agreed with and even found appalling.
Since Marine Corps recruit training, aka bootcamp I heard several comments from our drill instructors in our platoon that to say quite frankly left me and some other Marine recruits, and later on Marines in disbelief, but then we, some of us, would look at each other and I think we would all think the same thing "just because he/they believe/s this doesn't mean I must believe it."
At the same time there were many Marine recruits/Marines who would nod their heads and seemed to take to heart every word uttered by our drill instructors and other chain of command.
All the yelling, and insults uttered by drill instructors are a way to prepare recruits, and see if we could stand the pressure, or if we would give in, this would tell them if we could stand the rigours of battle and keep our cool. I knew and understood this well, and I know that alongside other training methods this would prepare us for the battlefield.
One of the first statements that raised a red flag is that even back in the early 90s drill instructors would still brag about Lee Harvey Oswald shooting JFK at the range he supposedly shot JFK. They could have been using other, better examples than to use a maniac who planned, and could even have executed his plan to murder JFK, thePresident of the United States.
I know JFK was a Democrat, but I don't believe for one second that he deserved to be killed. I don't believe anyone deserves death unless they are trying to kill me, or unless they plan to harm my family or some other innocent person, or if they try to inprison me for no real cause, or if they are trying to steal my private property, but not because of political beliefs.
Anyway, the things that really bothered me, and some other recruits, were for example statements such as "civilians are not worth a damn" "we defend civilians but they are not worth the dirt they stand on" and other similar comments made by the drill instructors in my platoon. Altough I don't know if the same thing happened, or happens in other platoons/military units.
The first thing that crossed my mind is the fact that our Commander in Chief was/is a civilian, even if he was/is a Democrat... The second thought that crossed my mind were my parents, and what sort of sons, brothers, or husbands were these drill instructors to talk about their parents, sisters/brothers, and wives in this manner. Although they could have been military brats for all I know.
Anyway, i just kept training, and kept telling myself that I didn't have to believe what they believe. However, I did look at my soon to be brothers at arms and couldn't but wonder how many of them took to heart these heartless beliefs.
I do want to make clear that not all Marines are like this. I knew many fine Marines both officers and enlisted personnel, but to tell you the truth I am also not sure if the same thing I experienced is common in all platoons or not.
Later on something happened that I really can't talk about but suffice it to say I didn't agree with an order I was given and was put in the brig for it, but it was later resolved in my favor.
In the Navy I didn't see/experience what I experienced while in the Marine Corps, although ironically I trained with Marines for Aircrew A/W (Aviation Warfare). Aircrew A/W is a very tough MO/rating which some say is close to Navy Seals training. I am not sure since I was never a Navy Seal but both MOs/ratings have some things in common like SERE training.(Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape training)
Although any MO/rating that involves frequent flying missions requires the enlisted personnel/officer to pass SERE training. Mostly Aircrew and Special Ops have to pass this training.
Aircrew candidate school itself was tough for a lot of people, more so water survival training, such as the "helo dunk", aka "helicopter dunker."
I can't remember the percentage of enlisted personnel/officers that coudn't pass the different Aircrew A/W schools but there were several sailors and Marines who didn't graduate with me.
Anyway, to make the story short, yes there are some enlisted personnel/officers who are a bit brainwashed by some of the training, but on overall I would have to say most soldiers/jarheads/sailors imo do not take to heart everything we are told by our chain of command.edit on 22-12-2010 by ElectricUniverse because: errors.
Originally posted by sbctinfantry
What strange views some hold. Baffling really. To say that we are slaves, and yet we fight the wars you voted for. Have continued to vote into office, and have yet to hold anyone accountable for. It, therefore, is the American peoples desire that soldiers leave their families stateside, embark overseas, and combat an innocent people in the name of false freedom. At least soldiers put their money where their mouth is. For all the anger and malice on this post, not one person has looked inward as to why soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place.
The people of the United States voted them there, and have given no real tangible indication otherwise.
American soldiers are certainly not taught to dehumanize civilians in any way.
Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by sapien82
Your post is so insulting to the millions of CIVILIANS who have lost their life to an illegal war. Not just in Iraq but in MANY wars. Go rinse your mouth with soap.
They were more like accomplishments rather than something to be ashamed off, people would brag about their various achievements in creatively humiliating and torturing their enemy in worst fashion possible