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The Woman is identified as the Nation of Israel. The Holy One of Israel was judging the Gentile Nation slaughtering His Chosen People. The Jewish People and Faith. Measure for Measure or An Eye for an Eye. Revelation 12 could be applied for the Holocaust but, most likely it is for a future event yet to occur for the Nation of Israel.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by PGTWEED
In the dark times of World War 2, as Nazi Germany was slaughtering europe's Jewish People and Faith. G-D, The Holy One of Israel allowed the Allied Bombing Raids to increase in intensity to kill an equal measure of Germans as the Nazis increased their slaughter the Jewish People.
Interesting comment, did you know the bible predicted this symbolically in Revelation, one slight difference he wasn't protecting the Jews, but rather the few Christians of faith left in Germany that were in the camps as objectors of Nazism.
Revelations 12: 15-17
15Then out of his mouth the serpent spouted forth water like a flood after the woman, that she might be carried off with the torrent. 16But the earth came to the rescue of the woman, and the ground opened its mouth and swallowed up the stream of water which the dragon had spouted from his mouth. 17So then the dragon was furious (enraged) at the woman, and he went away to wage war on the remainder of her descendants--[on those] who obey God's commandments and who have the testimony of Jesus Christ [and adhere to it and bear witness to Him].
Originally posted by NorEaster
If the average person could finally learn that the choice is not between religious faith or an acceptance of oblivion upon corporeal death, then it might go a long way toward freeing people to believe what they know to be true, instead of clinging to faith as if it's an existential lifeboat. It's the psychological schism that embracing what you know, deep inside, to be literally impossible - as an eternal life insurance policy - that twists the modern society's individual and his/her experience of conscious existence. Eliminating the contradiction between the traditional theological narrative and what the 21st century modern human clearly knows to be factual and logical, would relieve a lot of the need for the kind of lockstep dogmatic thinking that's required to allow for a relationship between humanity and its notion of God.
It's a very different time than it was in 70 AD. It's time to fix the problem that the largest theology in the world has with the obvious aspects of reality. If this can be done, the ripple effect will be overwhelming, and will transform all notions of faith and religion.edit on 12/14/2010 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Section31
Originally posted by Ghost147
Considering that the vast, VAST majority of religions are short lived as it is, and our current record of the global population of all religions (especially Christianity) are all on a mass decline...
If you think religion is in a mass decline, how do you explain the recent explosion of Christians in Asia? Lol... Sorry, you have been misinformed. After China lifted its control over religion, Christianity went into a massive boom in Asia based countries. Japan, China, and S. Korea are living a modern-day Christian revival.
edit on 14-12-2010 by Section31 because: (no reason given)
"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.
If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.
If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.
Next, by Ervin Laszlo
Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.
In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".
Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:
[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."
an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything
Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."
Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.
According to James Oroc's experiences (Tryptamine Palace), when the ego is dissolved in consciousness through the temporary formation of a type of neurological "Bose Einstein Condensate", there is no real dilineation or distinction between individual consciousness and God-consciousness or the universal "akashic field" (Lazslo) aka Zero Point Field.
Originally posted by Ghost147
2 minus 4 plus 1 still means that 4 is declining.
Originally posted by awake_and_aware
reply to post by The Djin
Yeah it's funny that, they know the truth that Atheists, Agnostics and even Deists can't possibly know. I mean that kind of information is not even in the grasps of science, yet the Christians and Theists seem to KNOW what God is like, let alone whether a divine supernatural being actually created the universe.
It's actually hilarious that they get away it.
When i say hilarious i actually mean awful.