Please explain Freemason, are they exactly bad? Read Story

Originally posted by getreadyalready

I've never read Pike's stuff, but I had similar thoughts when I first started, and I still do. Just passing through the 3 degrees really does very little to enlighten someone, but the Lodge and the Monitor are filled with symbols and allegories and everything we do and say is worded in such a way that it hints to more and more. At the beginning of the 2nd part of the 3rd Degree, the WM says something along the lines that the initiate is not yet fully aware of all the secrets and may never be.

Albert Pike writes in Morals and Dogma: "A few rudimentary lessons in architecture; a few universally admitted maxims of morality; a few unimportant traditions whose real meaning is unknown or misunderstood, will no longer satisfy the earnest inquirer after Masonic truth."

Thats from George Steinmetz' book, Freemasonry: Its Hidden Meaning.

I do think that there is much, much more to be learned in Masonry than just becoming a Master Mason and attending business meetings. The link I provided earlier to the Floorwork is a prime example. 95% of Masons out there have no idea that the Lodge is designed around Celestial Objects and patterns, and they don't know why we take the 1, 2, and 3 circumnavigations during degree work.

Although I usually discount quotes from Pike, I think this one may be accurate.

I'm currently reading that link and its very interesting. I'll have some questions by the time I'm done reading it. The author also talks about subjects like Freemasonry's teachings stemming from ancient times.

Originally posted by JoshNorton
That appears to be a slight misquote... From Pike's Legenda, p 52

What is most worth knowing in Masonry is never very openly taught. The symbols are displayed, but they are mute. It is by hints only, and those the least noticeable and apparently insignificant, that the Initiate is put upon the track of the hidden secret. A word seemingly used at random, and as it were by chance, long escapes notice and at last attracts the attention of some inquiring mind, and gives the clue that leads to new discoveries.

Google Books doesn't have page 54, but the bit about "no pains spared" does not follow directly after, as it does in the quote you're citing.

Thank you for the correction. I hate how things get distorted like that.

Reading more of that chapter of Legenda, it seems Pike's opinion is that NO Mason knows what all the symbols mean. The true meanings were lost hundreds, if not thousands of years ago.

It has long since become evident to us... that the true secrets and Kabalistic meanings of Masonry are unknown to itself, having been concealed under so many veils as to have become in part undiscoverable; and that the ordinary explanations of its symbols have merely been adopted to mislead the multitude of initiates, the knowledge of the esoteric meaning having been confined to a few, who long since died leaving no successors.

In Pike's Legend 4° to 14° Scottish Rite, he states: "In the United States, the Blue Degrees teach morality only, refuse to intermeddle with questions political or religious, and require only a belief in God, and, faintly, in the immortality of the soul; except so far as they declare the Holy Bible to be the rule and guide of man's conduct, and the inspired word of God; which, if it were not evaded in practice, by the admission of Hebrews, would make the Masonry of the United States a strictly Christian association. In the early part of the 18th century, Freemasonry was, for many of its initiates, the teaching of the Hermetic philosophy." - Freemasonry: Its Hidden Meaning

"Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it. Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would pervert it." - Albert Pike, Morals & Dogma, p.104-105

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." - Albert Pike, Morals & Dogma, p. 819

Maybe he didn't consider himself one of these sages, but it seemes like he once believed in their influence, atleast in the Scottish Rite during his time. Some of these quotes could be wrong. I'm stuck using the internet so you never know.

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Makes me wonder who Preston & Webb were... Pike scoffs them both on p52 of Legenda, and p105 of M&D, but I'm not familiar with their work.

So Masonry jealously conceals its secrets, and intentionally leads conceited interpreters astray. There is no sight under the sun more pitiful and ludicrous at once, than the spectacle of the Prestons and the Webbs, not to mention the later incarnations of Dullness and Commonplace, undertaking to "explain" the old symbols of Masonry, and adding to and "improving" them, or inventing new ones.

Masonic Light suggests that when Pike said the Blue Lodge Masons were mislead, it is because Pike was lead to believe that Masonry had direct roots in the Knights Templar, and the templars are not even mentioned in the Blue Lodge degrees. That seems to be as good an explanation as any for that particular quote.

p106/107 of M&D offers this further thought on lost knowledge/secrets...

If you have been disappointed in the first three Degrees, as you have received them, and if it has seemed to you that the performance has not come up to the promise, that the lessons of morality are not new, and the scientific instruction is but rudimentary, and the symbols are imperfectly explained, remember that the ceremonies and lessons of those Degrees have been for ages more and more accommodating themselves, by curtailment and sinking into commonplace, to the often limited memory and capacity of the Master and Instructor, and to the intellect and needs of the Pupil and Initiate; that they have come to us from an age when symbols were used, not to reveal but to conceal; when the commonest learning was confined to a select few, and the simplest principles of morality seemed newly discovered truths; and that these antique and simple Degrees now stand like the broken columns of a roofless Druidic temple, in their rude and mutilated greatness; in many parts, also, corrupted by time, and disfigured by modern additions and absurd interpretations. They are but the entrance to the great Masonic Temple, the triple columns of the portico.

masons on here, im sure you are well aware that you have probably barely scratched the surface of freemasonry secrets. But i think that even though freemasonry may have ties to all the conspiracies (either current or in the past) , you as a group are not in driver seat of controlling the world. I think some crazy shady stuff is goin on, and im tryin to get to the bottem of it, thank you free masons and others for your input

reply to post by iSHRED


Why would you assume that I have barely scratched the surface? Tell me what it would take to be "in the know?"

I have been a Worshipful Master and a a Lecturer. I am very close friends with many 33rd and 32nd degree holders. I am acquainted with more than one Grand Master. I attend many other Lodge meetings besides my own. I have researched the internet and discovered many "secrets" that were not common knowledge in my lodge and I have shared those with my brothers. I have proposed legislation at Grand Lodge. I have participated in Masonic Charge Investigations that have gotten members expelled, or kept them from being expelled.

What exactly would it entail to be beyond scratching the surface? What more can I do? Do I need to sacrifice a chicken or get some compromising photos of a senator before they will finally tell me the "real" secrets?

Originally posted by KeithClark

Originally posted by iAnjo
My father was thinking of becoming one. I only recently found this out while he was talking to his old friend. Now he's making a joke out of it. A freemason. Aren't they negotiated with the illuminati and NWO?

Please help me, I'm very dissapointed.

There is nothing wrong with us Freemasons, do not believe anything you read in a book or the internet I would advise you to join and experience the lodge and lodge members for yourself before making a decision. That not only goes with Freemasonry that is with LIFE in general. Experience things for yourself.

"Experience things for yourself" , don't become a mason. lol

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Not that you meant to restore the Temple's glory, but that the King's following Soloman were making such an attempt in order to regain the power Soloman had.

The "power" that Solomon had wasn't any form of Jewish power, because his Temple was a temple to Asherah (the wife of Ba'al), not to Yahweh.

A veil is partially transparent

I think the word you're looking for is "translucent."

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Too bad we can't punish people for breaking their obligations, or actually hold them to the penalties for such. Too bad we can't haze them on initiation like they did in the old days. It sure would help with some house cleaning!

So, you're admitting that a house cleaning is needed in the Masonic lodge.

reply to post by vcwxvwligen


Yes, but I am admitting that a house-cleaning is in order, but for the opposite reasons of most conspiracy theorists. The sad truth is the quality of Masons has gone down hill over the years. Although we still do background checks and an interview with applicants prior to accepting their application, our standards have dropped. Economics have overridden exclusiveness. We need new members, we have less applicants, and therefore we are less discerning.

I have personally seen people made Masons that were sick and/or elderly, both of which are against our policies. I have seen Masons actively recruiting applicants. There is no longer any implied value to our craft. We do not value it ourselves enough to restrict access, because we need the money of the new members too badly.


From my experience in Masonry, it is just like any other organization, and there is too much in-fighting and disagreement and laziness to ever accomplish any master plan!

Edit to add:
And thanks for the vocabulary lesson. I am well aware of what "translucent" means, although I have never heard it used to describe a veil. "Partially transparent" was more descriptive for my purpose, because my point was that we Masonic allegories are transparent to some degree, and that the word "veil" was used intentionally to convey that message.

Freemasonary has hid itself in illuminati watch all these and there parts and you will know

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by iSHRED
Ephesians 2:9 (NLT) says "Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." According to these words, the words of God, they are good men but they are as good as dead.

And yet Revelation 20:12 (NLT) says "I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books." So for all your Bible quoting saying man is not judged by his works, I show a Bible quote saying he is. Stalemate.

The word for "works" in Greek is εργα which means intentional acts. It has also been translated as "deeds." It certainly does not mean putting on a theatrical performance or running your mouth at a charity benefit.

When you worship God with all other gods, You are putting the one almighty God on their level.

And just how many omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being are you suggesting exist? It sounds like you're saying that you believe there's a whole pantheon of "other Gods", when what we're saying is that there is one, and He is all powerful.
Different religions say different things about this supposed all-powerful God. Even the Old and New Testaments can't agree on who or what he is.
The Supreme Being, according to Taoism, is that which cannot be named. For the Freemasons to claim that they know God better than any religion is, at best, an exercise in short-sightedness.

Originally posted by ForkandSpoon
Masonry contrary to pop culture belief is not an organization for "followers" but rather like minded men all seeking truth on their own terms, and sharing a bond of common virtues, while often having very very different religious views.

Explain how Freemasonry is an organization of like-minded peers, and yet they strive to make men better?

Originally posted by aliengenes
my father was a 32nd my uncle was a 33rd and all the years i spent at the hall the only thing i could gather about them was they loved to party and they loved gathering money to help support their causes, which mostly involved burnt children. they're a brotherhood bound to each other through blood.....a mens private club

[insert cruel jokes about Holocaust survivors here]

As I understand it freemasonry was originally infiltrated and taken over by the illuminati (aka the Jesuits) around 1780 - simply because it was a usefull cover and tool of influence for them and a way to enlist the services of the Protestant world - itisonly the top echelons that are inthe know - but such societies are how they manage to unobtrusively pull the stings and influence the course of events - a network od well meaning influential people bound by a sense of obligation to each other and willing to follow suggestions requests recommendations guidlines out of a sense of obligation to each other without questioning the motives behind such requests.

They can guide the careers of whomesoever they choose, books can get published or rejected at their whim, ideas instilled into the generalpopulation - together with allthe Knightly orders, sodalities, confraternities, Opus Dei and the like - all it takes is a few men at the top isuing inocent seeming requests and 'favours' to unwitting members - and the whole course of nations can be unobtrusively guided.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by ForkandSpoon
Masonry contrary to pop culture belief is not an organization for "followers" but rather like minded men all seeking truth on their own terms, and sharing a bond of common virtues, while often having very very different religious views.

Explain how Freemasonry is an organization of like-minded peers, and yet they strive to make men better?

Why is that hard to believe? An organization of men that all have the desire to better themselves by learning from one another, and also from an ancient rite of education and history. An organization of men that are typically high achievers, but also charitable and mentoring. An organization of men that are all desirous of learning more, but also desirous of teaching what they know.

That is an organization of like-minded peers striving to make men (themselves and others) better.

Seems simple to me?

The Left has set up similar networks of well meaning people seemingly striving for a better world. organised around high minded issues of human rights,socialjustice, equality, empowerment, world peace - a whole international socialist brotherhood. And yet similarly all are being unobtrusively centrally guided and manipulated by unseen hands for quite different purposes and agendas.

Same thing again is being done with the network of eco-activist organisations - it is quite disingenous to argue that Freemasonry is composed of well meaning individual members, when the hierarchy is or has used the organisation for quite sinister puposes - though it's cover is largely blown nowadays and has been replaced in the UK at least by such things as 'Common Purpose'

This is the power of the bloodlines elites - to be able to co-opt the services of endless legions of usefull idiots all willing to make their own little pact with the devil - if not for financial gain, social advantage, pedophilia etc - then for the ego-trip of being the especially enlightened know-it-alls known as 'progressives' , Communists or even save the planet 'eco-warriors'.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Same thing again is being done with the network of eco-activist organisations - it is quite disingenous to argue that Freemasonry is composed of well meaning individual members, when the hierarchy is or has used the organisation for quite sinister puposes...

Please explain the hierarchy of Masonry as you understand it to be.

Then please explain how it is be used for the purposes you allege.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Apart from the wealth of Material alluding to the takeover of the Masons, and Albert Pikes book - it is just commonsense, wherever you have an organisation such as that - it is simply inevitable that it is going to be used by some nefarious group be it Communists, Illuminati or Govts.

1773 It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower Freemasons have no idea that the High Shriner Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the Pope in 1773.So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful Freemason they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their suppression. That is an irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you see the Napoleonic Wars, the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars carried out by Freemasonry, everything Napoleon did, and the Jacobins, whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit Order.
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

""The Blue Degrees [first, second and third] are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine that he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry (the 28th degree and beyond)."
Albert Pike - Morals & Dogma

Thank you for the great read. Both masons and non-masons.
It's been interesting and eye opening. I've been looking at lodges near me...

Originally posted by moltquedelo
"Experience things for yourself" , don't become a mason. lol

Why is that?

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

So you can't show Augustus the structure as you see it?

watch the whole series and learn how illuminati succuesfully infiltrated itself into free masonary and there are just too many concidences, sybolism and propaganda in our music and media that attribute to these videos and you will see this if you just look

www.youtube.com...
also watch the rik clays interviews in conjunction with the above video/s i am very optimistic so please leave your opinion after watching the series hopefully someone can watch all these and summarise it better for me.



before watching all these i want you to drop your preconceived notions your preconceived ideas that it cant be happening, that this is impossible. drop those kind of obstacles and just take a look at the evidence and maybe just maybe what im all about is just maybe you will see or hear something here today that will convince you something is terribly wrong.

If you are a fox news watcher or a CNN watcher who only believes what is on T.V these videos are not for you.
If you are a bush supporter, a clinton supporter, a mc cain support or an obama supporter these videos are not for you.
If you question the versions of reality we are presented with be it from the media or the government these videos are for you.

"This film is bound to open anyone eyes whos watching it.."

challenge you freemasons to debunk the above because at the moment you are all pawns and acting accordingly