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Anti Crush Prohibition Act Signed Into Law Today

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 05:19 PM
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It was a "democratic" vote that banned the use of "International" and "Sharia" law from being used in court decisions in the the State of Oklahoma, but yet it was overturned by one person. The is no democracy or democratic votes, only people that we think represent us but in reality represent their own personal interests. So any argument that states something was "democratic" is an uber fail in my opinion.
edit on 9-12-2010 by LeaderOfProgress because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:01 PM
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any one remember what happened when they made alcohol illegal? Yes alcohol hurts (other) people.

Anyone remember what the consequences are for possessing/using illegal drugs? yes they hurt other people as well as the user. And it seems that since we made them illegal the industry has grown underground and has planted corruption in many aspects of our life. And now many people believe regulating the drugs would work better like it has for alcohol.

I in no way want to see animals harmed, but on that same not i do not want to see people harmed because of this as well.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.

If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.

Passing laws does not stop anything. It only forces them to go underground. And when things go underground, even more criminal acts occur, and it endangers people needlessly.

Passing laws to "force people" to do the "right thing" is totalitarian or authoritarian.

Using convincing arguments to change people's behavior is the Right way to go about things. Education is the key. Not the strong arm of the government. Governments are violent and brutal.


Convincing arguments don't work for the unreasonable. You can't reason with them.

This kind of crap, just like all the other nonsense humans are involved in, will happen legal or not. Laws need to be passed at least to restrict and contain it.

Education isn't the key. Again you can't reason with the irrational. They don't care. The mind of a psychopath doesn't register morality or ethics. It simply doesn't give a damn. You can't reform or reeducate it. The best we can currently do is pump it full of drugs until the psychopath remains in a semi conscious zombie like state. We would be much better off pumping it full of lead or cyanide.

Humans are violent and brutal.
edit on 9/12/10 by MikeboydUS because: Misanthropy



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:23 PM
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animal crush? if it is what i think it is, what the hell? i have never heard of it and cannot believe it is real.

does this apply to spiders? if so then great, if not then why not?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by justsaying

Originally posted by aliengenes
does this apply to hunting and trapping educational videos


Here is a link to the actual bill:


www.govtrack.us...

To answer your question, it wouldn't apply because the purpose of the video you are asking about is for educational purposes only. The wording of this legislation states it is in regard to the intentional torture and killing of an animal and is obscene.


ok. ive never heard of animal crush before. weird, people are getting sicker by the second



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Stupid bill.

Who cares if a few animals get killed for our pleasure. The US is experimenting on Animals left, right and centre on Plum Island.

I hate dogs and cats so "crush" away.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 01:36 AM
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S & F to the OP--videos showing senseless violence toward DEFENSELESS animals are NOT covered by "freedom of speech"--just like kitty porn, snuff videos and dogfighting aren't. People who abuse the animals who just care to find love and assistance in this world are BAD PEOPLE. End of story--sorry, this one of my few "moral absolutes".



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:11 AM
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Crush videos are disgusting and its disgraceful to the human race that there are those that do this for profit; and those who buy/watch these videos for sheer entertainment!

SICK! I've never seen one, but just thinking about it makes my stomach want to turn.

This law is a win-win for both man and animals.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:16 AM
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You are why bills like this are passed and I can only imagine what type of creature YOU are! SICK and depraved to even suggest it's o'k. for these types of acts I had the opportunity once to catch an individual mistreating an animal and I won't discuss what I did!



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:20 AM
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let me get this straight
crushing or torturing people, even squishen children's genitals with pliers is OK
(as established by GWB )
but videos of animals are now illegal?
great.

Now that they are illegal
they will get a value totally out out of preportion to what they are worth
and now it will be worthwhile to make them!
( prohibition made the gangsters..and indirectly JFK)
And it will be now worthwhile to have a SWAT team bureaucracy to enforce the law
and
now we have a reason to search everyones' computer
in case naked wiki leaks is downloading copywrited squishing rabitts

damn that elmer fudd....he was huntin wabitts...

edit on 10-12-2010 by Danbones because: YOUR S.O.L NOW JACK BAUER ! you can only torture people on the next episode of 24



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 02:27 AM
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There is very, very, SICK and twisted monsters out there that have no moral compass regarding small animals, children, elderly people, even ordinary citizens, I have seen and witnessed things and can say I wish there was a group that could employ the extreme justice for anyone or any animal that was subjected to any of these things!



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 03:21 AM
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You are absolutely correct! Sick Sick people out there. . . . I'd like to meet them personally... Only 2 walk out of that meeting.... ME .... and a bunny!
The third party...... well, let's just say that they'll never walk again


I have my ways....



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 03:27 AM
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Dan,

Nobody here condones what you said about GWB's policies! In fact, all my friends on ATS condemn it! Let's keep the focus on topic! You have an issue with GWB's policies??.... make a thread on that. Don't take focus off this issue!

BTW - Danbones - I respect your honesty - Great Guy / Girl

edit on 10-12-2010 by TortoiseKweek because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 05:28 AM
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I've actually seen the bunny crush video a few times, and i don't really want to see it again. It's F*****g cruel, and i can't believe someone gets off on it. So i'm actually glad something is banned for a change



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.


This is an empire playing to its populists; the uneducated masses who will swarm around media-savvy issues such as this while ignoring the important things that affect their actual lives and country.

In such a time that we are all facing in the West, and especially in the US, the US's priority is to sign an act to make "animal crushing" videos illegal? Is it not common sense that animal crushing is wrong and should not be supported? Child pornography is wrong and illegal, yet it continues because nothing is being done about how people are raised and influenced.

I used to wonder why most mainstream Western news, on every single night, would air routine crap about pandas or polar bears being born in a zoo (right after a news report about things like school shootings or dead hookers, etc). It's because sheeple would prefer to block out reality and obsess with happy news. This "animal crushing" act is the US government trying to gain popularity among the American masses who would easily fall for this stuff as legitimate political action on a national level (especially when "animal crushing" has nothing to do with national politics).

And isn't it interesting how there's a lot of people who haven't even heard of "animal crushing" before this? I've never heard of it, and I've seen a lot of crazy sh!t on the internet. But you can be damn sure that a lot of people know about it now, and it's probably going to explode in obscene popularity.

EDIT:

Danbones- Now that they are illegal
they will get a value totally out out of preportion to what they are worth
and now it will be worthwhile to make them!
( prohibition made the gangsters..and indirectly JFK)
And it will be now worthwhile to have a SWAT team bureaucracy to enforce the law
and
now we have a reason to search everyones' computer
in case naked wiki leaks is downloading copywrited squishing rabitts


You're spot on, dude.
edit on 10-12-2010 by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by justsaying

Anti Crush Prohibition Act Signed Into Law Today


www.house.gov

WASHINGTON, DC—At President Obama’s invitation, Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-CA) stood with him as the President signed Gallegly’s bill to outlaw animal crush videos at a White House ceremony today.

Crush videos graphically depict the abuse and killing of animals. In 1999, President Clinton signed into law a Gallegly bill to outlaw the videos and for 10 years the industry disappeared. However, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law earlier this year and videos reappeared on the market.

Gallegly’s new law, the Prevention of Interstate Commerce in Animal Crush Videos Act of 2010, will
(visit the link for the full news article)



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Im so confused.
Are there animal crushing video lobbies in Washington now?
Why would the supreme court ever overturn this act, only to have it reinstated a few months later?
I just don't see the logic.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 07:30 AM
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It was overturned because the wording of the original law, signed by Clinton, was worded in a way that infringed on interstate commerce. I won't get myself all worked up about that again so early this morning because it's over and done with and the law is back in place.



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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You know, in this day in age, being able to pass a bill for the greater good of ANYTHING is a hard feat, and when something like that happens, should we not be glad? Just because people are replying to this thread, saying how disgusting this act is, doesn't mean they've been distracted from bigger issues at hand. So stop trying to act like an elitist, because you sound like it.
edit on 10-12-2010 by acidsweep because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
let me get this straight
crushing or torturing people, even squishen children's genitals with pliers is OK
(as established by GWB )
but videos of animals are now illegal?
great.

Now that they are illegal
they will get a value totally out out of preportion to what they are worth
and now it will be worthwhile to make them!
( prohibition made the gangsters..and indirectly JFK)
And it will be now worthwhile to have a SWAT team bureaucracy to enforce the law
and
now we have a reason to search everyones' computer
in case naked wiki leaks is downloading copywrited squishing rabitts

damn that elmer fudd....he was huntin wabitts...

edit on 10-12-2010 by Danbones because: YOUR S.O.L NOW JACK BAUER ! you can only torture people on the next episode of 24


Torture of children, adults and animals should never be acceptable to anyone. We are not talking spys or secret agents here, we are talking about the intentional infliction of suffering on those that are helpless. Why don't these psychos do this to an adult pitt bull? Exactly, they want to get away with the suffering, torture and death of those helpless to defend themselves, it's a power trip, bullying. There is a huge difference!!



posted on Dec, 10 2010 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by scoobdude
any one remember what happened when they made alcohol illegal? Yes alcohol hurts (other) people.

Anyone remember what the consequences are for possessing/using illegal drugs? yes they hurt other people as well as the user. And it seems that since we made them illegal the industry has grown underground and has planted corruption in many aspects of our life. And now many people believe regulating the drugs would work better like it has for alcohol.

I in no way want to see animals harmed, but on that same not i do not want to see people harmed because of this as well.


Drugs and alcohol are a quick fix and one hurts only oneself physically in the process (and family and friends but the harm is emotional and sometimes monetary). But there is a big difference between wanting to party and wanting to maime something. You don't want to see "people harmed because of this as well"?

The deeper issue is how we value animals as a society and as a planet. Many consider our animals as true members of our families. Even if that sentiment isn't there for someone, most people, in my opinion, don't want to see an animal hurt or tortured. Those that do hurt animals are punished, and I'm not talking crush videos here. Most states have animal cruelty laws in place to protect animals from starvation, abadonment, mistreatment, and is either punishable as a misdeameanor or felony. The consensus is that mistreatment and death of animals is wrong. If we have laws to protect the mistreatment of animals, and those that inflict the harm are punished, how is that wrong? I guess the point I am trying to make is that our society doesn't want too see animals mistreated and agree that punishing those that do the harm should pay the price.



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