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Anti Crush Prohibition Act Signed Into Law Today

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Anti Crush Prohibition Act Signed Into Law Today


www.house.gov

WASHINGTON, DC—At President Obama’s invitation, Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-CA) stood with him as the President signed Gallegly’s bill to outlaw animal crush videos at a White House ceremony today.

Crush videos graphically depict the abuse and killing of animals. In 1999, President Clinton signed into law a Gallegly bill to outlaw the videos and for 10 years the industry disappeared. However, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law earlier this year and videos reappeared on the market.

Gallegly’s new law, the Prevention of Interstate Commerce in Animal Crush Videos Act of 2010, will
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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This is my first thread, hope I am doing this right.

Today is a great day for animals and to those of us who love them!

Animal crush videos came to my attention about a year ago, and I was immediately appaled and horrified by these acts. Since then, I have supported legislators/legislation who have tried to put a stop to this. Today, President Obama signed into law the Anti Crush Prohibition Act.

Anyway, for those of us who love animals and consider them a part of our families, today is a victory for animals everywhere!!!



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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:52 PM
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are these videos of random acts of violence on animals that are living? or just videos of disposal of dead animals??? I've seen what they do with dead cows.. and wow. but i think the most disturbing videos to watch are seal clubbing vids.. HORRIBLE. and it makes me wanna club those people.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:53 PM
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You did great! S&F

I never knew there even was such a thing as a crush video and it really bothers me that some find this interesting to watch. But as for the ban these types of videos will now go underground just like snuff films and child porn which is rampant everywhere.

Why would anyone want to see an animal killed this way?



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:54 PM
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I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.

If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.

Passing laws does not stop anything. It only forces them to go underground. And when things go underground, even more criminal acts occur, and it endangers people needlessly.

Passing laws to "force people" to do the "right thing" is totalitarian or authoritarian.

Using convincing arguments to change people's behavior is the Right way to go about things. Education is the key. Not the strong arm of the government. Governments are violent and brutal.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:58 PM
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This issue is truly a WTF humans?!! I can't even watch one of these vids and a warning should be posted before viewing, albeit the title pretty much says it all.
I too celebrate this legislation and hope it curtails any growing population of fans for this crap. Sometimes just the fact that something goes viral picks up new and additional participants, so yes, squash the awareness!
I guess this brings up freedom issues, but surely the majority can agree with this bill?
With behavior like this, it makes me wonder if there is a soul, and if everyone actually has one or if some are left hollow. No wonder no higher beings would ever be interested in us, too many psychotic monkeys down here.

@ muzzleflash:


If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.

But what happens when logic and common sense are trumped by ego and the pursuit of novelty of the worse kind, cruel, harmful and selfishly destructive? I can only hope your sentiment is accurate, but my experience in life says otherwise, unfortunately. So I would speculate that if polled, the majority would support this legislation.

Peace,
spec
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 03:59 PM
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There has to be a law passed to tell people this is wrong?
Wow, just another reason ive given up on society as a whole.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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Frankly I can't believe it wasn't already illegal. I can't understand anyone that would want to harm an innocent animal, they are the ones that should be harmed.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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does this apply to hunting and trapping educational videos



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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and what about atrocity videos of the Japanese slaughtering whales and helpless dolphins?

are they trying to hide this stuff like them killing off all our wild mustangs



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:06 PM
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Good point we do this to mice/rats everywhere! And it is intentional.

Which is just as inhumane but they are considered pests.
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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.
No, it's democracy. A law was passed in order to try and help stop animal cruelty.


If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.
passing this law sure does a lot more than if we were to do nothing at all... You can sit there and argue with people who get off on animal abuse... but the thing is... if some one gets off on that kind of thing... I imagine talking wont do that much good.


Passing laws does not stop anything. It only forces them to go underground. And when things go underground, even more criminal acts occur, and it endangers people needlessly.
It does plenty. It stops quite a few people from doing these things. From watching these videos. It is a deterrent. No it will not stop all acts of animal cruelty, but it will sure as hell help a lot. Now people will see that if they make these videos or watch them, there are consequences.

That is what keeps most people from breaking the law. The fact that there will be consequences that you don't like. Yep, laws don't stop everyone from breaking the law... But they sure as hell help. We need this law.


Passing laws to "force people" to do the "right thing" is totalitarian or authoritarian.
Ah, and I thought you said that laws can not force people to do anything... You contradict yourself. Remember, laws can not force people to do anything. They are a deterrent. Anyone can make the choice to break any law.. But they will have consequences to face if they do. Again, this law being passed was part of our DEMOCRATIC society... Every government has laws... so why you insist that the only governments that have laws are totalitarian is beyond me...


Using convincing arguments to change people's behavior is the Right way to go about things. Education is the key. Not the strong arm of the government. Governments are violent and brutal.
Well, I just educated you and used convinving arguments.... So you have changed your mind and agree with me now, right? No? Gee... Imagine that.

That said, who is violent and brutal? The people who abuse animals and tape it for others who get their sick jollys off of that? Or the government for trying to put a stop to it???

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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Thank God! I posted about this a few weeks ago:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's disgusting and completely inhumane! Thanks OP for posting this! I'm glad to see that others on ATS are awake to this


I won't say more on the subject - in terms of what my heart feels - but I will discuss with ATS members...... with a LOT of Restraint....



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by machines4200
reply to post by justsaying
 


are these videos of random acts of violence on animals that are living? or just videos of disposal of dead animals??? I've seen what they do with dead cows.. and wow. but i think the most disturbing videos to watch are seal clubbing vids.. HORRIBLE. and it makes me wanna club those people.


These videos depict the intentional torture of small alive animals being impalled by a high heeled shoe (although not limited to this), usually by a women who is getting some kind of sexual fettish out of this act.

I can't watch this stuff, it kills my heart, but the extent of what is done can go beyond just impalling. Whatever they do, the animal doesn't have a chance and dies a slow and torturous death.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by AnteBellum
reply to post by justsaying
 


You did great! S&F

I never knew there even was such a thing as a crush video and it really bothers me that some find this interesting to watch. But as for the ban these types of videos will now go underground just like snuff films and child porn which is rampant everywhere.

Why would anyone want to see an animal killed this way?


I agree it will go underground. But now at least, there is a law that will put them in jail. It's something to start with. And there are people who love animals and will go underground as well to bust them.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.

If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.

Passing laws does not stop anything. It only forces them to go underground. And when things go underground, even more criminal acts occur, and it endangers people needlessly.

Passing laws to "force people" to do the "right thing" is totalitarian or authoritarian.

Using convincing arguments to change people's behavior is the Right way to go about things. Education is the key. Not the strong arm of the government. Governments are violent and brutal.


Will watching a video of this be enough education for you?? For the rest of us, yeah, laws are necessary because there are people who don't give a crap what they do to hurt someone or something that can't defend itself. Not to mention, child abusers and serial killers start with animals.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
This issue is truly a WTF humans?!! I can't even watch one of these vids and a warning should be posted before viewing, albeit the title pretty much says it all.
I too celebrate this legislation and hope it curtails any growing population of fans for this crap. Sometimes just the fact that something goes viral picks up new and additional participants, so yes, squash the awareness!
I guess this brings up freedom issues, but surely the majority can agree with this bill?
With behavior like this, it makes me wonder if there is a soul, and if everyone actually has one or if some are left hollow. No wonder no higher beings would ever be interested in us, too many psychotic monkeys down here.

@ muzzleflash:


If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.


But what happens when logic and common sense are trumped by ego and the pursuit of novelty of the worse kind, cruel, harmful and selfishly destructive? I can only hope your sentiment is accurate, but my experience in life says otherwise, unfortunately. So I would speculate that if polled, the majority would support this legislation.

Peace,
spec
edit on 9-12-2010 by speculativeoptimist because: (no reason given)


I guess there are those who are just desensitized to what they do to another, they don't see the pain they inflict, or they do and it gives them some sense of power.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:19 PM
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Now people will just not show their face.. post from proxies making it almost impossible to catch and make it more appealing because its "illegal". The new law banning them wont make a difference..... Proscecuting people who crush bunnies seems illogical because people will still crush bunnies just more secretive..... Making it illegal to watch the videos and prosecute people for watching them is a big step because now some people thatuse to just watch might actually perticipate and do it because they can not just simply watch it...

Do i think it is ok to crush bunnies? Hell no

Do I think it should be illegal to watch people crush bunnies? Hell no either


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posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by aliengenes
does this apply to hunting and trapping educational videos


Here is a link to the actual bill:


www.govtrack.us...

To answer your question, it wouldn't apply because the purpose of the video you are asking about is for educational purposes only. The wording of this legislation states it is in regard to the intentional torture and killing of an animal and is obscene.



posted on Dec, 9 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Hmmm... quote from that site ....

will prevent video depictions of drowning, impaling, burning and crushing of animals.


The word "depictions" in there bothers me ...
I made a video that didn't actually harm any animals, but used clever editing and/or special effects to fake such acts? Would that be considered a "depiction"?

If so, the cut-scene at the end of the original game "Doom" (bunnies impaled) would be illegal.







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