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WASHINGTON, DC—At President Obama’s invitation, Rep. Elton Gallegly (R-CA) stood with him as the President signed Gallegly’s bill to outlaw animal crush videos at a White House ceremony today.
Crush videos graphically depict the abuse and killing of animals. In 1999, President Clinton signed into law a Gallegly bill to outlaw the videos and for 10 years the industry disappeared. However, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law earlier this year and videos reappeared on the market.
Gallegly’s new law, the Prevention of Interstate Commerce in Animal Crush Videos Act of 2010, will
If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.
No, it's democracy. A law was passed in order to try and help stop animal cruelty.
I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.
passing this law sure does a lot more than if we were to do nothing at all... You can sit there and argue with people who get off on animal abuse... but the thing is... if some one gets off on that kind of thing... I imagine talking wont do that much good.
If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.
It does plenty. It stops quite a few people from doing these things. From watching these videos. It is a deterrent. No it will not stop all acts of animal cruelty, but it will sure as hell help a lot. Now people will see that if they make these videos or watch them, there are consequences.
Passing laws does not stop anything. It only forces them to go underground. And when things go underground, even more criminal acts occur, and it endangers people needlessly.
Ah, and I thought you said that laws can not force people to do anything... You contradict yourself. Remember, laws can not force people to do anything. They are a deterrent. Anyone can make the choice to break any law.. But they will have consequences to face if they do. Again, this law being passed was part of our DEMOCRATIC society... Every government has laws... so why you insist that the only governments that have laws are totalitarian is beyond me...
Passing laws to "force people" to do the "right thing" is totalitarian or authoritarian.
Well, I just educated you and used convinving arguments.... So you have changed your mind and agree with me now, right? No? Gee... Imagine that.
Using convincing arguments to change people's behavior is the Right way to go about things. Education is the key. Not the strong arm of the government. Governments are violent and brutal.
Originally posted by machines4200
reply to post by justsaying
are these videos of random acts of violence on animals that are living? or just videos of disposal of dead animals??? I've seen what they do with dead cows.. and wow. but i think the most disturbing videos to watch are seal clubbing vids.. HORRIBLE. and it makes me wanna club those people.
Originally posted by AnteBellum
reply to post by justsaying
You did great! S&F
I never knew there even was such a thing as a crush video and it really bothers me that some find this interesting to watch. But as for the ban these types of videos will now go underground just like snuff films and child porn which is rampant everywhere.
Why would anyone want to see an animal killed this way?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
I love animals just as much as the next guy but cmon, this is authoritarianism.
If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.
Passing laws does not stop anything. It only forces them to go underground. And when things go underground, even more criminal acts occur, and it endangers people needlessly.
Passing laws to "force people" to do the "right thing" is totalitarian or authoritarian.
Using convincing arguments to change people's behavior is the Right way to go about things. Education is the key. Not the strong arm of the government. Governments are violent and brutal.
Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
This issue is truly a WTF humans?!! I can't even watch one of these vids and a warning should be posted before viewing, albeit the title pretty much says it all.
I too celebrate this legislation and hope it curtails any growing population of fans for this crap. Sometimes just the fact that something goes viral picks up new and additional participants, so yes, squash the awareness!
I guess this brings up freedom issues, but surely the majority can agree with this bill?
With behavior like this, it makes me wonder if there is a soul, and if everyone actually has one or if some are left hollow. No wonder no higher beings would ever be interested in us, too many psychotic monkeys down here.
@ muzzleflash:
If you wanted to change things the good way, you would formulate very convincing arguments to dissuade those whom act unreasonably.
But what happens when logic and common sense are trumped by ego and the pursuit of novelty of the worse kind, cruel, harmful and selfishly destructive? I can only hope your sentiment is accurate, but my experience in life says otherwise, unfortunately. So I would speculate that if polled, the majority would support this legislation.
Peace,
specedit on 9-12-2010 by speculativeoptimist because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by aliengenes
does this apply to hunting and trapping educational videos
will prevent video depictions of drowning, impaling, burning and crushing of animals.